Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[raferfenix]

I’ve been extremely skeptical of MPJ and it’s only a function of our dire state (also offseason boredom) that I’m considering him now.

Whether his defense would be so bad here is a big question.

But offensively it seems like he’d be a much better fit than iso scorer shot happy guards…or is that not right?

Michael Porter Jr. delivered another strong season as Denver’s third offensive option, averaging 18.2 points, 7.0 rebounds, and 1.5 assists per game on 50.4% shooting from the field and 39.5% from three. He appeared in 74 games, one of the highest totals in his career, a promising sign given his injury history.

Porter remained one of the most efficient high-volume shooters in the NBA. He was lethal on spot-up threes, transition pull-ups, and midrange fades, thriving off the gravity created by Nikola Jokić and Jamal Murray. His ability to hit contested shots with minimal dribbles made him a constant threat, especially when Denver’s offense bogged down. Porter struggled to create his own offense when forced off the three-point line a bit more this season, but that didn’t prevent him from making an impact as a cutter and offensive rebounder.

Defensively, Porter showed marginal improvement. His awareness and help-side rotations were inconsistent but showed some progress over the previous years, and he rebounded the ball better than in past seasons. Still, he remained susceptible to breakdowns guarding quicker guards wings.

https://milehighsports.com/season-in-review-michael-porter-jr-was-impactful-until-injuries-took-over/amp/

[Frank Nova]

Luckily Bill Simmons is a moron so if that’s his idea, he probably read that on here and wanted to pass it off like an original thought. It’s probably highly unlikely lol

[BigO]

I’d inquire about Suggs. I think his value would be lower than someone like Trey Murphy, but also would be a phenomenal fit here.

Maybe Orlando sees him as expendable due to his injury issues and the emergence of Black.

l mentioned Suggs many times on here. With all the Magic injuries, he carried them . When he went down, the team collapsed.The problem is that, other than the '31 first, the Bucks have nothing to offer the Magic.

[Matches Malone]

MPJ has a lot of warts in his game, including back health, but I still have visions of Kuzma putting up Tony Snell stat lines and idk if I can do another season with him and Doc together. One of those two has to go lol.

[Bernman]

In the abstract I hate Kuz trades right now because you're selling the lowest possible practically. I'd do MPJ for Kuz/Pat, so long as we wouldn't have to give up the '31 1st. But I seriously doubt that's available then logically.

Incidentally I saw an anecdote about Kuz how a Bucks' fan met him and he acknowledged he sucked in the playoffs. So that's some introspection I want to see. Would prefer the whole season & how he knows he needs to transform into a role guy now. But baby steps, along w/ the cross-fit.

[Ron Swanson]

FWIW the original trade I had was the Nuggets paying a 1st round pick to turn MPJ into Cam Johnson plus cap relief, and us getting MPJ while routing Kuzma and the DEN 1st to Brooklyn. I think people are selling Porter short here. Being essentially a 20/7 per-36 guy on 60+ TS despite operating as the 3rd, sometimes 4th option in that offense is nothing to sneeze at. I'd be confident he can scale to a larger role in a different situation when you do a deep dive into the numbers.

- 47% career corner 3 guy.
- 90th percentile in offensive EPM.
- 42% catch and shoot on 3's
- 81st percentile rebounder for his position
- Career high 88 dunks this past season (77% career rim finisher)
- Career 46% mid-range shooter

Also need to acknowledge that for all the durability issues he had early in his career, he's played 77 and 81 games the past two years. We wouldn't even be discussing him being available if the Nuggets weren't in their current predicament (2nd apron hell, little to no depth outside their starting-5). This roster desperately needs both a 16-game starting caliber wing, and shot-creator/tough-shot-maker in the worst kind of way right now.

[MikeIsGood]

My concern with MPJ is that he was hot garbage in the playoffs this year. He was better the past two post-seasons, but in each year his production has dropped vs. regular season. Regular season MPJ would be a huge boon for this team, but I'm cautious of post season MPJ.

Fun story, I was out of town when we got KPJ and people were talking about him just as Porter Jr at first and I got hyped thinking we'd traded for MPJ.

[BUCKnation]

I was pretty impressed with how he gutted it out in the post season this year.

[MikeIsGood]

I was pretty impressed with how he gutted it out in the post season this year.

Did I totally black out that he had an impacting injury?

[paulpressey25]

Not a big fan of the MPJ but if that’s the only route, maybe.

Don’t we take on more salary with Pat and Kuz? Does it work under the CBA?

[paulpressey25]

I was pretty impressed with how he gutted it out in the post season this year.

Did I totally black out that he had an impacting injury?

This is one of those injuries that wouldn’t impact Giannis. So uncertain on how this injury impacted him. Or is he a guy that got paid and now is on the downside.

[Ron Swanson]

With the Garland injury and that subsequent "they might want to re-sign Ty Jerome for insurance" headline, what are the odds that the Cavs would be willing to straight up dump Dean Wade into our trade exception? I think they'd give up some 2nd's if we'd also take Okoro into the MLE. Their payroll is insane next season ($217 million with only 9 players under contract).

[Bernman]

With the Garland injury and that subsequent "they might want to re-sign Ty Jerome for insurance" headline, what are the odds that the Cavs would be willing to straight up dump Dean Wade into our trade exception? I think they'd give up some 2nd's if we'd also take Okoro into the MLE. Their payroll is insane next season ($217 million with only 9 players under contract).

They'll definitely be doing things like that. I think they could even dump Hunter into (some) space because they won a ton before he arrived. That was a luxury buy. They weren't thinking ahead about the financial ramifications.

But I wouldn't want Wade at that price. He's too limited & for us to use the tpe to stress us from a tax perspective, it's going to need to be a special opportunity.

[Licensed to Il]

With the Garland injury and that subsequent "they might want to re-sign Ty Jerome for insurance" headline, what are the odds that the Cavs would be willing to straight up dump Dean Wade into our trade exception? I think they'd give up some 2nd's if we'd also take Okoro into the MLE. Their payroll is insane next season ($217 million with only 9 players under contract).

Okoro and Wade would get a ton of minutes for us, and I see a path to both being good fits with Giannis.

[Profound23]

Kuzma/Pat C for MPJ would be great (and I am not an MPJ fan at all), but I doubt Denver does that without us giving up future picks and I am not doing that.

I would however give up future picks if we could somehow turn Kuzma into Aaron Gordon but I doubt that's possible either.

[emunney]

FWIW the original trade I had was the Nuggets paying a 1st round pick to turn MPJ into Cam Johnson plus cap relief, and us getting MPJ while routing Kuzma and the DEN 1st to Brooklyn. I think people are selling Porter short here. Being essentially a 20/7 per-36 guy on 60+ TS despite operating as the 3rd, sometimes 4th option in that offense is nothing to sneeze at. I'd be confident he can scale to a larger role in a different situation when you do a deep dive into the numbers.

- 47% career corner 3 guy.
- 90th percentile in offensive EPM.
- 42% catch and shoot on 3's
- 81st percentile rebounder for his position
- Career high 88 dunks this past season (77% career rim finisher)
- Career 46% mid-range shooter

Also need to acknowledge that for all the durability issues he had early in his career, he's played 77 and 81 games the past two years. We wouldn't even be discussing him being available if the Nuggets weren't in their current predicament (2nd apron hell, little to no depth outside their starting-5). This roster desperately needs both a 16-game starting caliber wing, and shot-creator/tough-shot-maker in the worst kind of way right now.

Another important point is that, at risk of oversimplifying, the prevailing strategy against Giannis is "don't let him beat you" and against Jokic it's "don't let everybody else beat you". Jokic's absurd passing means stay home on everyone, Giannis' merely good passing means teams think they can rotate and prefer Giannis doesn't get 30 finger-rolls. But the more high-level shooting we put around Giannis, the more fraught that decision becomes.

I'd be nervous about MPJ in general, but certainly not because of theoretical fit or much of anything basketball wise, particularly given what we're giving up here (and I don't view trading Pat as a priority anymore, because I think he also fits with the direction we're going).

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

poole has won pretty much everywhere hes been until he was with the wizards fwiw.

I mean sure, he was in one other place and that was as a role-player in the winningest NBA organization in recent history. And once he got paid they couldn’t wait to get rid of him.

Averaging 18 ppg on 60 TS% as a 22 year old on the winningest team in the league is a pretty good role to have, and leads to that organization giving you a huge contract.

All that said, I'm hoping for players with more defensive chops, no more Dames. Poole doesn't do enough defensively.

i dont think hes the ultimate fit but we need to get off that dame deal and if hes what you get along with smarts expiring then you do it

[msiris]

Never thought Giannis was going anywhere. I don't think everything is as bad as some people thought including myself. Dame and Kuzma are off the books in two season. Giannis has a player option after two seasons. Just don't sign anyone longer than two years. Would like to resign KPJ and Trent in that order. Hopefully Bobby opts in. Hope Pat opts out. Wishfull thinking. Lol. I don't think we will contend the next couple of years, so don't do anything rash. Plenty of cash could be had in a couple of years.

[BUCKnation]

I was pretty impressed with how he gutted it out in the post season this year.

Did I totally black out that he had an impacting injury?

This is one of those injuries that wouldn’t impact Giannis. So uncertain on how this injury impacted him. Or is he a guy that got paid and now is on the downside.

He had a sprained shoulder that would have normally been a month+ recovery. Needed a kick in the a** from Jokic initially, but rebounded well considering.

[pifhluk23]

Never thought Giannis was going anywhere. I don't think everything is as bad as some people thought including myself. Dame and Kuzma are off the books in two season. Giannis has a player option after two seasons. Just don't sign anyone longer than two years. Would like to resign KPJ and Trent in that order. Hopefully Bobby opts in. Hope Pat opts out. Wishfull thinking. Lol. I don't think we will contend the next couple of years, so don't do anything rash. Plenty of cash could be had in a couple of years.

We definitely want Pat to opt in, his contract is super valuable and whatever team he goes too he won't complain.