The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[DingleJerry]

Jabari is the most offensively talented player we have. Giannis has the intangibles, but Bari can get his in a way that no one on our team can. It's going to be great to have him back.

That is very true. His ability to blow by people (hopefully he can still do that) together with his shooting will very much be an asset. My only worry is can we sell him (or Middleton) on coming off the bench long term

That's a good question actually. For this year it's probably fine for Jabari to be off the bench given his likely mins restriction and probably won't play back to backs. Going forward I think we all figured Jabari would take Snell's spot, but with how much slower MId's looks you have to wonder on his quickness to matchup with 2s nowadays.

Top of my head thinking, with how much Giannis needs shooting next to him I think it would make sense to have Jabari off the bench long term. Gives Khris more mins with Giannis and almost assures Jabari is out there whenever Giannis isn't, to basically take his spot as the centerpiece on O. Assuming Jabari already has his 100 mil + in the bank going into next year, I'd think he'd be ok with it since he doesn't have to worry about a contract. He's still going to get 30+ mins and finish games, that's what matters

[Wonka]

Hey, I wouldn’t mind Jabari getting a 6th man of the year award next season

[M-C-G]

I am looking forward to adding him off the bench this season. Figure out the rest later. Kidd can “start” all those guys and sub 3 minutes into the game and stagger them all to varying degrees.


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[Diggr14]

Hey, I wouldn’t mind Jabari getting a 6th man of the year award next season

Don’t think there is any chance of him coming off the bench. He’ll be our second best player next season. This season, I can see him coming off the bench. But really it doesn’t matter if he comes off the bench or not. Restrict his minutes between 20-25mpg and when he plays really doesn’t matter. Might be better to couple him with Giannis and have him play with Giannis at all times just to establish that chemistry.

I hope they trade Bledsoe to Cleveland while he has some value. He’s not a long term answer. Same with Middleton, especially considering he keeps regressing defensively season after season. I believe right now he is a BPM 0.0 on the season with a VORP of .8. Not exactly great considering he scores the ball at a nice clip. I think he could be a nice trade chip, because I think this is his peak value offensively for his career... this season, while defensively he keeps regressing every passing year.

I’d go forward with a core of Jabari, Giannis, and Brogdon. Nothing else matters at this point. Build around them.. stop signing 10M+ bench players in the off season and stockpile young talent and picks with what you can get for your “vets” at the deadline. We will be a 6-8 seed no matter what with Giannis. Middleton and Bledsoe are decent, but not guys that will ever get us over the hump.

[DrWood]

I fail to understand those of you who think adding Jabari makes this a significantly better team. He scores, but he doesn't make the team better.

[mattg]

I fail to understand those of you who think adding Jabari makes this a significantly better team. He scores, but he doesn't make the team better.

I mean it depends what Jabari comes back as, and what role he is used in. What's the criteria at this point for "making the team better"?

[Rainwater]

Hey, I wouldn’t mind Jabari getting a 6th man of the year award next season

Don’t think there is any chance of him coming off the bench. He’ll be our second best player next season. This season, I can see him coming off the bench. But really it doesn’t matter if he comes off the bench or not. Restrict his minutes between 20-25mpg and when he plays really doesn’t matter. Might be better to couple him with Giannis and have him play with Giannis at all times just to establish that chemistry.

I hope they trade Bledsoe to Cleveland while he has some value. He’s not a long term answer. Same with Middleton, especially considering he keeps regressing defensively season after season. I believe right now he is a BPM 0.0 on the season with a VORP of .8. Not exactly great considering he scores the ball at a nice clip. I think he could be a nice trade chip, because I think this is his peak value offensively for his career... this season, while defensively he keeps regressing every passing year.

I’d go forward with a core of Jabari, Giannis, and Brogdon. Nothing else matters at this point. Build around them.. stop signing 10M+ bench players in the off season and stockpile young talent and picks with what you can get for your “vets” at the deadline. We will be a 6-8 seed no matter what with Giannis. Middleton and Bledsoe are decent, but not guys that will ever get us over the hump.

Truth, there is little chance that Parker comes off the bench.

[DrWood]

I fail to understand those of you who think adding Jabari makes this a significantly better team. He scores, but he doesn't make the team better.

I mean it depends what Jabari comes back as, and what role he is used in. What's the criteria at this point for "making the team better"?

they win more games than they would without him.

[mattg]

I fail to understand those of you who think adding Jabari makes this a significantly better team. He scores, but he doesn't make the team better.

I mean it depends what Jabari comes back as, and what role he is used in. What's the criteria at this point for "making the team better"?

they win more games than they would without him.

I mean if we play Jabari instead of Thon I'm pretty sure the team gets better by default.

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[DrWood]

I mean it depends what Jabari comes back as, and what role he is used in. What's the criteria at this point for "making the team better"?

they win more games than they would without him.

I mean if we play Jabari instead of Thon I'm pretty sure the team gets better by default.

Jabari playing center?
It means brogdon and snell getting fewer minutes

[mattg]

they win more games than they would without him.

I mean if we play Jabari instead of Thon I'm pretty sure the team gets better by default.

Jabari playing center?
It means brogdon and snell getting fewer minutes

Jabari at center is the dumpster but Thon anywhere is the landfill. If Brogdon and Snell play less and it squeezes Thon out then the team gets better yes.

[Pachinko_]

With a smart coach and a healthy Jabari the team can kick butt. You can play him on the elbow a bit, as a trail man in transition, PnR with Giannis, get him to do some back cuts etc, the possibilities are endless as long as there is some movement in offense and rotations that make sense and give him an advantage.

The problem is Kidd will try a million different random things and when one of them works he won't even notice. My guess is he'll probably just leave him alone with the 2nd unit and with no guidance or system, just to get some "points off the bench".

[mke_design]

Trade him.

[RRyder823]

I fail to understand those of you who think adding Jabari makes this a significantly better team. He scores, but he doesn't make the team better.

For this season at worst he adds a pretty big scoring threat off a bench that is dreadful. That alone significantly improves the team

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[Ron Swanson]

"Scores but he doesn't make the team better" for a team that often has trouble scoring is an oxymoron.

[M-C-G]

"Scores but he doesn't make the team better" for a team that often has trouble scoring is an oxymoron.

Yeah, if we were to eliminate the 4-6 minute scoring droughts in each game, that might go a long way, but some people are so entrenched in some narratives, they have no hope.

OUR DEFENSE IS **** TERRIBLE GUYS, even Buckstatguy came on here and pointed out that our defense is awful and our offense is the only thing winning us games. Adding another dynamic scorer is more valuable than anything else if this team is going to continue down the path of being a bottom 5 defense.

[DingleJerry]

They currently have no depth behind Giannis/Mid at the 3/4 type positions. Thus Khris playing 4 a lot, and failing at it. And both guys being top 5 in mins. There is no way adding Jabari doesn't help the team. Should eliminate any of the garbage mins going to the likes of Terry and Liggins types, probably can cut down one run of Thon per game. Hopefully can get Khris' minutes down 5 per game so maybe that'll help him at least resemble his old self on D. put all those type of things together and it simply helps the team.

[coolhandluke121]

Jabari will make the team better by virtue of the fact that they've created a scoring vacuum off the bench with all their horrible roster moves the last few years. They don't have anyone to fill the role he could and should play off the bench.

The problem is not that he can't be a good NBA player, despite how often people have wrongly accused me of implying that. The problem is that the contributions you're going to get from Jabari in the role he's best-suited to play on a team built around Giannis (and, to a lesser extent, Bledsoe, Brogdon, and Khris) never justified the opportunity cost of not trading him when he was worth a haul. Now that the opportunity cost has changed so dramatically, it's more about the injury risk of his next contract, but either way, it still doesn't make sense to build a future around him in my opinion.

In terms of just really wanting a good season, I have to say that even I'm hopeful that he can be a big help this year. Fitness and weight was always one of my big complaints, and he appears to have addressed that for the time being. Not needing another scorer who played terrible defense was another complaint, but with Mirza and Beasley gone, he can step into that role and be a huge help on some nights.

Now if they start him and move Khris to sg, god help us. That would be appalling. There would hardly be a team in NBA history with a greater discrepancy between actual on-court play vs. theoretical on-paper value.

[engelmartin]

Now if they start him and move Khris to sg, god help us. That would be appalling. There would hardly be a team in NBA history with a greater discrepancy between actual on-court play vs. theoretical on-paper value.

Outside of this year's OKC...