2018 NBA Draft pt 2 - NOW WITH A POLL

[Baddy Chuck]

I still don't think that defeats my argument that good defenders like Andre Roberson are hard to find.

There's like probably somewhere around 300 non "big" players in the league and you could probably count of 1 hand missing a finger or two how many players are as good of a defender as Roberson.

Calling Roberson a "3 and d type type player with out the 3" is a complete undersell on the level of defender he actually is. He's pretty much prime Tony Allen on that side of the ball.

[Pachinko_]

I don't know man... Roberson is a nice size wing who covers PFs comfortably, Smith is a 6'4" guy who used to play C in high school and played like a PF in college even though they listed him as a guard. I watched a couple of games and highlights, he had a bunch of put backs and blocks and bullying people under the rim, I'm not sure these things will be there for him when everything goes one size up in the NBA.
I'd take him with no hesitation if he was a couple of inches taller but at that size... dunno

[Rainwater]

I still don't think that defeats my argument that good defenders like Andre Roberson are hard to find.

There's like probably somewhere around 300 non "big" players in the league and you could probably count of 1 hand missing a finger or two how many players are as good of a defender as Roberson.

Calling Roberson a "3 and d type type player with out the 3" is a complete undersell on the level of defender he actually is. He's pretty much prime Tony Allen on that side of the ball.

Ok, fine, maybe I am underselling the defense of Andre Roberson but unless you think Smith is going to be a top 3 defender in this league, which I doubt he becomes, I don't know how you don't believe his abilities could be easily found. The Bucks right now have 2,3 guys that can do what Smith will be doing and they now how to shoot. I think it would be a waste of a pick.

[Prez]

Ok, fine, maybe I am underselling the defense of Andre Roberson but unless you think Smith is going to be a top 3 defender in this league, which I doubt he becomes, I don't know how you don't believe his abilities could be easily found. The Bucks right now have 2,3 guys that can do what Smith will be doing and they now how to shoot. I think it would be a waste of a pick.

Idk how you can say this with confidence considering that outside of Giannis, nobody on the Bucks is even close to Smith athletically. A 100% healthy pre-2nd ACL Jabari might be the only one who is close in terms of physical tools/talent.

[Baddy Chuck]

I think it would be a waste of a pick.

To me the only "waste of a pick" at 17 comes in to play when you're talking about a guy that never even steps on for a meaningful minute of NBA basketball. If you think that's Smith I understand it but honestly the sentiment seems to be coming from, in large, a "he can't shoot so therefor he can't help this team" and that is such an overplayed, bullsh*t reasoning I've seen thrown around here too many times and have never heard a compelling argument to back it up.

[Rainwater]

Ok, fine, maybe I am underselling the defense of Andre Roberson but unless you think Smith is going to be a top 3 defender in this league, which I doubt he becomes, I don't know how you don't believe his abilities could be easily found. The Bucks right now have 2,3 guys that can do what Smith will be doing and they now how to shoot. I think it would be a waste of a pick.

Idk how you can say this with confidence considering that outside of Giannis, nobody on the Bucks is even close to Smith athletically. A 100% healthy pre-2nd ACL Jabari might be the only one who is close in terms of physical tools/talent.

I was not speaking of his athletic ability, I was just speaking of him just being a defender. The Bucks already have guys that guard the perimeter and, like a previous poster has said, I honestly don't believe he will be doing half the things he did in college at 6'4 in the NBA.

[Prez]

I was not speaking of his athletic ability, I was just speaking of him just being a defender. The Bucks already have guys that guard the perimeter and, like a previous has said, I honestly don't believe he will be doing half the things he did in college at 6'4 in the NBA.

Not that well, and even if they did, that is in no way a reason to not actively look for more guys like that.

[Rainwater]

I think it would be a waste of a pick.

To me the only "waste of a pick" at 17 comes in to play when you're talking about a guy that never even steps on for a meaningful minute of NBA basketball. If you think that's Smith I understand it but honestly the sentiment seems to be coming from, in large, a "he can't shoot so therefor he can't help this team" and that is such an overplayed, bullsh*t reasoning I've seen thrown around here too many times and have never heard a compelling argument to back it up.

For me to be OK with this pick his defense must be extraordinary on the next level because from what I have seen he just looks like a leaper and not much else. He is like a 6'4 Deandre Jordan, I don't think that has the same effect with a guard.

[Baddy Chuck]

I think it would be a waste of a pick.

To me the only "waste of a pick" at 17 comes in to play when you're talking about a guy that never even steps on for a meaningful minute of NBA basketball. If you think that's Smith I understand it but honestly the sentiment seems to be coming from, in large, a "he can't shoot so therefor he can't help this team" and that is such an overplayed, bullsh*t reasoning I've seen thrown around here too many times and have never heard a compelling argument to back it up.

For me to be OK with this pick his defense must be extraordinary on the next level because from what I have seen he just looks like a leaper and not much else. He is like a 6'4 Deandre Jordan, I don't think that has the same effect with a guard.

I mean even looking at guys like say MKG, Justise Winslow, Norman Powell or whatnot as a comparison it would pretty much be considered a win at 17 in pretty much every draft ever. And those guys could pretty much carve a role on just about any team in the league despite their deficiencies. Honestly maybe I'm just venting because the whole "can't shoot don't want" thing thrown around this board is so exhausting.

[Rainwater]

I was not speaking of his athletic ability, I was just speaking of him just being a defender. The Bucks already have guys that guard the perimeter and, like a previous has said, I honestly don't believe he will be doing half the things he did in college at 6'4 in the NBA.

Not that well, and even if they did, that is in no way a reason to not actively look for more guys like that.

I just don't believe the more pressing needs of the Bucks can be filled by the skills which Smith excels. Nor do I believe he is a player where you can say "who cares about fit, just make it work" because he just doesn't have the skills yet and I don't know if he ever will.

[machu46]

So Horst is looking to get Bud guys who can pass, shoot, and compete on defense at every position on the court.....who is this? Personally I just want want someone with a very high basketball IQ who can shoot the ball....no more dumb, selfish players.

Not saying this is their target, but I think this describes Aaron Holiday and Grayson Allen.


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Grayson Allen isn’t dumb?

The question was who can pass, shoot, and compete on defense.

So Horst is looking to get Bud guys who can pass, shoot, and compete on defense at every position on the court.....who is this? Personally I just want want someone with a very high basketball IQ who can shoot the ball....no more dumb, selfish players.

Not saying this is their target, but I think this describes Aaron Holiday and Grayson Allen.


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Except they are both bad defenders

Givony literally cites Holiday’s hard-nosed defense as one of the main reasons he thinks Indiana would take him.

And the question was about competing defensively, not necessarily being the best defensive players. Both of them will try hard on the defensive end.


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[pilprin]

Kyhri Thomas is the guy I hope we grab. I feel like we need another scorer who can defend. Giannis needs room to work, so perimeter scoring is essential.

I could also get on board with Robinson, if we believe he actually can help in the near future as a rim protector and rebounder. I just am nervous about young bigs.

Also...any word about us maybe getting a 2nd rounder or two? Philly has a crap load. There has to be a way to get one or two for $ of something.

[Ill-yasova]

Not saying this is their target, but I think this describes Aaron Holiday and Grayson Allen.


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Grayson Allen isn’t dumb?

The question was who can pass, shoot, and compete on defense.

Not saying this is their target, but I think this describes Aaron Holiday and Grayson Allen.


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Except they are both bad defenders

Givony literally cites Holiday’s hard-nosed defense as one of the main reasons he thinks Indiana would take him.

And the question was about competing defensively, not necessarily being the best defensive players. Both of them will try hard on the defensive end.


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Holiday does try hard on defense, but I think he’ll just be too small to defend starting PG’s in the NBA. Grayson Allen is a bad defender. Competitive and moronic? Yes. Terrible on-ball defender who gets blown by on the perimeter with regularity? Also yes.

[machu46]

Some notes from around the league re: draft:

Robert Williams in for a 2nd workout with the Clippers.

Jerome Robinson meeting with Wizards top decision makers rather than attending Draft Media Day.

[JHSFIVE]

Not sure if we'll start a "prediction/narrative" thread but here's my prediction:

Milw stays at 17 and takes Kevin Huerter. Horst n Bud will both come out and say that they feel that his shooting and BBIQ adds an element to the team that is desperately needed and that they feel like he would have gone higher if not for his hand issue. They will gone on to say that there are no long term concerns about the hand. They'll add that his BBIQ and sneaky athleticism mitigates some of his defensive shortcomings so they're not too worried.

Depending how the board goes, I could see them trading back a few spots to grab him but not sure how cute they wanna get.

In the few interviews from Horst n Bud, it seems to me that they want to add shooting in the worst way and while it hasn't been put out, I'd be shocked if Huerter hasn't at least interviewed w Milw.

I'd also be surprised if they don't pick up a 2nd rd pick, possibly even 2. 1 will be used to find the best Brogdon replacement because his value is pretty decent right now and I could see him being a key piece in an upcoming trade.

[drone3]

Keep going back and forth between Hutchison and Okobo. Slightly favouring Hutchison right this minute.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Not sure if we'll start a "prediction/narrative" thread but here's my prediction:

Milw stays at 17 and takes Kevin Huerter. Horst n Bud will both come out and say that they feel that his shooting and BBIQ adds an element to the team that is desperately needed and that they feel like he would have gone higher if not for his hand issue. They will gone on to say that there are no long term concerns about the hand. They'll add that his BBIQ and sneaky athleticism mitigates some of his defensive shortcomings so they're not too worried.

this would please me

[leroyjw10]

Not sure if we'll start a "prediction/narrative" thread but here's my prediction:

Milw stays at 17 and takes Kevin Huerter. Horst n Bud will both come out and say that they feel that his shooting and BBIQ adds an element to the team that is desperately needed and that they feel like he would have gone higher if not for his hand issue. They will gone on to say that there are no long term concerns about the hand. They'll add that his BBIQ and sneaky athleticism mitigates some of his defensive shortcomings so they're not too worried.

Depending how the board goes, I could see them trading back a few spots to grab him but not sure how cute they wanna get.

In the few interviews from Horst n Bud, it seems to me that they want to add shooting in the worst way and while it hasn't been put out, I'd be shocked if Huerter hasn't at least interviewed w Milw.

I'd also be surprised if they don't pick up a 2nd rd pick, possibly even 2. 1 will be used to find the best Brogdon replacement because his value is pretty decent right now and I could see him being a key piece in an upcoming trade.

I could easily see Huerter as well, and would keep my fingers crossed that Bud could do for Huerter what he did for Korver.

[leroyjw10]

I was not speaking of his athletic ability, I was just speaking of him just being a defender. The Bucks already have guys that guard the perimeter and, like a previous has said, I honestly don't believe he will be doing half the things he did in college at 6'4 in the NBA.

Not that well, and even if they did, that is in no way a reason to not actively look for more guys like that.

I just don't believe the more pressing needs of the Bucks can be filled by the skills which Smith excels. Nor do I believe he is a player where you can say "who cares about fit, just make it work" because he just doesn't have the skills yet and I don't know if he ever will.

I don't see it with Zhaire, either. He's a PF/C in the body of an undersized SG. Sure, he makes dunking look easy, but he also makes shooting 3s look very difficult. He's going to have to completely remake his jumper to be effective in the NBA. Maybe he becomes a smaller Gilchrist, and I don't think there's room for that player in today's NBA.

[WimpyDeer]

I don't understand the infatuation with Khyri Thomas at all.