2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs

[theFireBlanket]

[Baddy Chuck]

I will be rooting for Thanasis to turn into the Greek D-Mase, free throw line hook shots included.

I will settle for the Greek Awvee Storey.

[RRyder823]

That's where analytics fail you a bit unless you add some context. Sure Giannis shoots 77% from 0-3 feet. That tells you that every time Giannis gets to the rim he's getting a good shot. Great. Anyone could tell you that without looking at that stat. What this stat doesn't tell you is how much effort Giannis puts into getting to the rim. Could he make better use of that effort elsewhere? How much pounding does his body take when he attempts to get to the rim? Does it influence his game? How sucessful his drive rate is. What happens if he's unsuccessful? Does he pass out? What is the expectency per posession when Giannis passes? Or does he take a midrange shot? What is the expectency there? What happens if he turns it over? What happens when he commits an offensive foul? How does a foul call on him impact his results (on both ends)? This is endless.

Long story short: Giannis being able to shoot the 3 from the top of the key at 30% changes a lot of variables.

Once again..... We've seen Giannis shooting 30+ percent from 3 on almost 4 attempts per game in the POs. It didnt change anything. If 4 attempts per game isnt high enough volume for you what would be?

Giannis shooting 33% on 3s is preferable to a defense then him driving to the paint. Theyll take that all day

You have to remember Giannis shooting 33-35% from 3 isnt equal to the average player that shoots 35% from 3. The average player in that scenerio will be covered because if they're left wide open with all day to line up their shot (like Giannis is) theyll be shooting a MUCH higher percentage then 33-35%. Giannis on the other hand is shooting those wide open all day looks at a 33% clip.

If Giannis is actually going to get defenders to meet him at the 3pt line hes going to have to start making wide open 3s at a much higher percentage then 33% (or as you suggest 30%). We've seen 30%.... It did nothing

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If we're talking about shooting every time he's open and defenses don't adjust as you say, it's every possession. Giannis averaged 17.5 FGA in the playoffs. So I'm guessing 17.5?

So what you're suggesting is a defense would adjust to him averaging 17.5 points a game while not having to expend any energy defensively, not have to worry about leaving the other shooters open by helping on drives, rotate defensively or risk any fouls because somehow that's a worse scenerio for them then Giannis driving and either scoring, passing out to an open guy that's a good shooter or drawing a foul?

Really?

Once again. The defense would take that all day. He could shoot 30 and make 10 every game and the D still would much rather him do that then what he does now. Averaging 1 point per possession is a step back for Giannis (actually it'd be a step back for like the top 15 scorers in the league)


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[drone3]

Thanos the anti Thon

[JayMKE]

Giannis needs to improve his FTs more than a deadeye 3pt shot imo, we probably win the series versus Toronto if he could knock em down. Whole team does, left so many points at the line. Not being able to hit those FTs makes that hacking defense way more effective.

[Pachinko_]

Raps D was a lot more than just collapsing on Giannis and hacking, as soon as he passed they were all back on their players, rinse and repeat. It was exceptional defense.

[Daver]

Raps D was a lot more than just collapsing on Giannis and hacking, as soon as he passed they were all back on their players, rinse and repeat. It was exceptional defense.

Also helped that pretty much our whole team bricked up enough shots to build a small village guess any D looks great when the other team best players midds bleds mirotic and to a certain extent giannis cant shoot or hit FTs

[MAC1987]

Giannis needs to improve his FTs more than a deadeye 3pt shot imo, we probably win the series versus Toronto if he could knock em down. Whole team does, left so many points at the line. Not being able to hit those FTs makes that hacking defense way more effective.

To clarify, Giannis needs to improve his FTs in the PLAYOFFS. Which means it is mental. He struggled under pressure. That is what he needs to fix. He shot 10% less than his regular season free throw percentage.

72-77% is where he has been in the regular season and is completely fine if he does that into the playoffs. He needs to improve his mental game when pressure is on.

[crkone]

Raps D was a lot more than just collapsing on Giannis and hacking, as soon as he passed they were all back on their players, rinse and repeat. It was exceptional defense.

Also helped that pretty much our whole team bricked up enough shots to build a small village guess any D looks great when the other team best players midds bleds mirotic and to a certain extent giannis cant shoot or hit FTs

The Bucks shot 32.6% on 34.1 wide open and open 3s per game in that series. They could not shoot.

[Daver]

Raps D was a lot more than just collapsing on Giannis and hacking, as soon as he passed they were all back on their players, rinse and repeat. It was exceptional defense.

Also helped that pretty much our whole team bricked up enough shots to build a small village guess any D looks great when the other team best players midds bleds mirotic and to a certain extent giannis cant shoot or hit FTs

The Bucks shot 32.6% on 34.1 wide open and open 3s per game in that series. They could not shoot.

Thats what im saying you can credit torontos D all you want but damn when does the credit for the great D stop and just say this team was flat out terrible on O end game 3 prime example game 6 another example

[Badgerlander]

Raps D was a lot more than just collapsing on Giannis and hacking, as soon as he passed they were all back on their players, rinse and repeat. It was exceptional defense.

Yeah somebody needs to make a video of Ersan calling for the ball with Lowry on him at the midpost and Lowry grabs Ersans right wrist and pulls it behind his back and Gasol comes across the lane and gives him a WWF chop to the chest as Ersan gets the ball bounce passed to him and the refs called a foul on Ersan lol.

[Rockmaninoff]

If Giannis started hitting that left wing 3 at 38%, and it was constant, the defense would have to pay attention. That's 1.14ppp, which is way better than any Giannis shot outside of 3 feet. If the defender is playing up on Giannis or closing hard from a sag, that opens up all sorts of things and would make life easier for Giannis when he gets to within 3 feet.

[Ruzious]

Giannis needs to improve his FTs more than a deadeye 3pt shot imo, we probably win the series versus Toronto if he could knock em down. Whole team does, left so many points at the line. Not being able to hit those FTs makes that hacking defense way more effective.

To clarify, Giannis needs to improve his FTs in the PLAYOFFS. Which means it is mental. He struggled under pressure. That is what he needs to fix. He shot 10% less than his regular season free throw percentage.

72-77% is where he has been in the regular season and is completely fine if he does that into the playoffs. He needs to improve his mental game when pressure is on.

Part of it's probably from being tired. So much is put on him in so many minutes and so many games. I would question how much he's going to benefit from working on his FT's.

[DingleJerry]

Besides the 3, as pointed out he's being left wide open so unless he hits at a ridiculous clip that it's impossible for him they're going to continue to do that, he needs to correct his shot so he can shoot with people on him. IF/when he gets stoned on a drive, is forced into a late clock situation, etc he has to have a shot that he can rise up and shoot on someone. His shot right now is a slow mechanical pretty much set shot. He needs to be able to rise up fluidly and hit respectably with someone on him. By no means am I saying this should be a go to move or something he seeks out, but 2-3 of these game when forced into it is a big help. Right now, he doesn't really even have the form/shot to do it.

[leroyjw10]

This line about Thanasis in the Bucks press release: Antetokounmpo, the brother of Bucks forward and MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo, spent the last two seasons with Panathinaikos of the Greek Basket League, leading the team to two straight league titles. In 2018-19, he averaged 4.9 points and 2.5 rebounds in 55 games

Really? He "led" the team to two straight titles by averaging 5 points and 2.5 rebounds? Really? Do teams only score 10 points per game in that league?

I've familiar with PR spin, but this is taking it to a whole new level.

[Bucksfan28]

SImmons & Lowe briefly discussed the Bucks on Bill's latest pod. Pretty much had a consensus that on paper the team looks slightly worse but will likely find a way to make that up.

Lowe made an interesting point about Bledsoe. Said that he wonders if the Bucks still would have signed him to an extension if they waited until the offseason and witnessed yet another Bledsoe playoff dud. Seems like he thought they wouldn't have.

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[Brewhoopfan]

Giannis needs to improve his FTs more than a deadeye 3pt shot imo, we probably win the series versus Toronto if he could knock em down. Whole team does, left so many points at the line. Not being able to hit those FTs makes that hacking defense way more effective.

To clarify, Giannis needs to improve his FTs in the PLAYOFFS. Which means it is mental. He struggled under pressure. That is what he needs to fix. He shot 10% less than his regular season free throw percentage.

72-77% is where he has been in the regular season and is completely fine if he does that into the playoffs. He needs to improve his mental game when pressure is on.

Part of it's probably from being tired. So much is put on him in so many minutes and so many games. I would question how much he's going to benefit from working on his FT's.

Possibly pressure and fatigue both. Most of the time when he misses, his form breaks down. I can usually tell he is going to miss as soon as it leaves his hand. For the most part, I think this is muscle memory. His from is good, just not consistent. I think there is still room for a lot of improvement through repetition.

[Brewhoopfan]

Besides the 3, as pointed out he's being left wide open so unless he hits at a ridiculous clip that it's impossible for him they're going to continue to do that, he needs to correct his shot so he can shoot with people on him. IF/when he gets stoned on a drive, is forced into a late clock situation, etc he has to have a shot that he can rise up and shoot on someone. His shot right now is a slow mechanical pretty much set shot. He needs to be able to rise up fluidly and hit respectably with someone on him. By no means am I saying this should be a go to move or something he seeks out, but 2-3 of these game when forced into it is a big help. Right now, he doesn't really even have the form/shot to do it.

The downside of Giannis's freight train Euro step drive is that once he commits to it - there aren't any counters available to him when he gets walled off. I could see him utilize a face-up jumpshot in the post, but I don't see him ever developing an effective pull-up jumper. Perhaps he could develop a little push/floater from 5-8 feet.

[smauss]

Raps D was a lot more than just collapsing on Giannis and hacking, as soon as he passed they were all back on their players, rinse and repeat. It was exceptional defense.

I agree with you, however, we certainly did not help matters by standing around in typical floor spacing areas. It's a ton more difficult to find players to get back to with more motion. Movement makes collapsing much more difficult.

[emunney]

If the Magic didn't sign Jeffries, we should sign him.