Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - OFF SEASON EDITION

[ShootingtheJ]

If this is right (totally possible it’s posturing) we’d need to include Donte + a pick to get in the running for CP3:

The Thunder are motivated to deal Paul and his massive contract after deciding upon a rebuilding campaign following Billy Donovan’s firing. Oklahoma City general manager Sam Presti likely will want a first-round pick and a young prospect still on his rookie contract, multiple league officials believe.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/06/kevin-knox-is-the-key-to-knicks-prying-chris-paul-off-thunder/

What he wants and what he gets will be 2 different things. Either way, Wilson is on a rookie deal

[ShootingtheJ]

I'm not seeing data that's supports your conclusion. If you have it, feel free to share. He was below average before the injury, but was a winning and major impact player in the playoffs.

Defensive metrics are an inexact science and I'm not gonna go through all the numbers and write a dissertation on it. I'm sure Stevens of all coaches was better at putting him into situations where he wasn't gonna get completely exposed, but sorry, he's an absolute turnstile on defense and no amount of on/off is gonna prove otherwise. Just an example, but he was ranked 86th amongst PG's in DRPM (-4.42) during his "best season" in 2016-17. Even in his physical prime he was historically awful.

The on/off numbers agree with you, they were nearly 10 points per 100 worse defensively with him on court. Also second to last (485 out of 486) in the entire league in defensive RAPM.

Yeah those are pretty damning numbers. Doesn't matter, he wasn't coming here anyway. We'll likely either end up with Paul and a young back up, or Derrick White/Tyus Jones with Hill the back up. No direct line for IT to get run.

[Chuck Diesel]

Pierria Henry > IT

Just watched Pierria go head to head with Campazzo last week. They were the two best players on the court. Henry ended up getting the better of Campazzo, but I came away thinking it would be very tough to have Henry on the court with Giannis and Campazzo would make Giannis better.

[Prez]

Defensive metrics are an inexact science and I'm not gonna go through all the numbers and write a dissertation on it. I'm sure Stevens of all coaches was better at putting him into situations where he wasn't gonna get completely exposed, but sorry, he's an absolute turnstile on defense and no amount of on/off is gonna prove otherwise. Just an example, but he was ranked 86th amongst PG's in DRPM (-4.42) during his "best season" in 2016-17. Even in his physical prime he was historically awful.

The on/off numbers agree with you, they were nearly 10 points per 100 worse defensively with him on court. Also second to last (485 out of 486) in the entire league in defensive RAPM.

Yeah those are pretty damning numbers. Doesn't matter, he wasn't coming here anyway. We'll likely either end up with Paul and a young back up, or Derrick White/Tyus Jones with Hill the back up. No direct line for IT to get run.

God I hope you’re right

[ShootingtheJ]

The on/off numbers agree with you, they were nearly 10 points per 100 worse defensively with him on court. Also second to last (485 out of 486) in the entire league in defensive RAPM.

Yeah those are pretty damning numbers. Doesn't matter, he wasn't coming here anyway. We'll likely either end up with Paul and a young back up, or Derrick White/Tyus Jones with Hill the back up. No direct line for IT to get run.

God I hope you’re right

Me too, or we're in trouble. I'm pretty confident though.

[Matches Malone]

If this is right (totally possible it’s posturing) we’d need to include Donte + a pick to get in the running for CP3:

The Thunder are motivated to deal Paul and his massive contract after deciding upon a rebuilding campaign following Billy Donovan’s firing. Oklahoma City general manager Sam Presti likely will want a first-round pick and a young prospect still on his rookie contract, multiple league officials believe.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/06/kevin-knox-is-the-key-to-knicks-prying-chris-paul-off-thunder/

Quite honestly, I don't know what to believe anymore lol. Some people say it's going to take the Thunder giving up an asset attached to Paul just to get rid of that boat anchor of a contract, but then I also hear the opposite, and that it'll take attractive assets to get him because he was an all-star last year.

[raferfenix]

Bucks and Sixers seem like solid marks that Presti could get into a bidding war for CP3.

I don’t think I buy the Knicks really being interested though. Rather agents are laundering trade valuations through NY media.

Bledsoe also could head Thibs’ way in a 3-way deal. Knicks have ending contracts and cap space to facilitate.

[Ron Swanson]

Lol, if Kevin Knox is actually the deal-breaker in a CP3 trade then that just confirms that Presti knows his value still isn't that high. Kevin Knox is terrible. More than likely this is just the Knicks desperately trying to play up the value of their poo-poo asset base.

[giannis and 1]

Bled to Knicks

Knox, Rolo, Wilson to OKC

CP3 to Bucks

[giannis and 1]

https://tradenba.com/trades/61uZea5KM

Thoughts?

We get CP3 and Seth Curry, give up Bledsoe and the RoLo+Wilson contracts, and downgrade the #24 pick to #38

OKC gets rid of CP3's salary, adds 2 expiring contracts, a decent young wing in Knox, and upgrades their pick by 14 spots.

Knicks get Bledsoe who is a good player but also because they are the Knicks and they are dumb.

Dallas gets a better ballhandler/decision maker off the bench who is almost as good of a shooter as Seth.

[emunney]

I think we have to make a CP offer we're comfortable with if only to make sure nobody gets him for pennies.

[ShootingtheJ]

https://tradenba.com/trades/61uZea5KM

Thoughts?

We get CP3 and Seth Curry, give up Bledsoe and the RoLo+Wilson contracts, and downgrade the #24 pick to #38

OKC gets rid of CP3's salary, adds 2 expiring contracts, a decent young wing in Knox, and upgrades their pick by 14 spots.

Knicks get Bledsoe who is a good player but also because they are the Knicks and they are dumb.

Dallas gets a better ballhandler/decision maker off the bench who is almost as good of a shooter as Seth.

I like it, but still think the Knicks need to give up more than Knox and a 2nd for Bledsoe. Knox is really bad.

[FlagsFlyForever]

I don't know how CP3 can be a negative asset. He's expensive but not overpaid and it's not the end of the world if OKC runs it back with their 44-28 team.

[MKE_Beers]

https://tradenba.com/trades/61uZea5KM

Thoughts?

We get CP3 and Seth Curry, give up Bledsoe and the RoLo+Wilson contracts, and downgrade the #24 pick to #38

OKC gets rid of CP3's salary, adds 2 expiring contracts, a decent young wing in Knox, and upgrades their pick by 14 spots.

Knicks get Bledsoe who is a good player but also because they are the Knicks and they are dumb.

Dallas gets a better ballhandler/decision maker off the bench who is almost as good of a shooter as Seth.

I like it, but still think the Knicks need to give up more than Knox and a 2nd for Bledsoe. Knox is really bad.

Would the Knicks send the Clippers pick to Dal? I dont know why the Mavs swap a younger player on a good deal for Hill straight up.

[ShootingtheJ]

I don't know how CP3 can be a negative asset. He's expensive but not overpaid and it's not the end of the world if OKC runs it back with their 44-28 team.

To run it back, they'd need to resign Gallinari, and miss the opportunity to cash in on Adams. They've already tipped their hand when they wouldn't pay the coach.

They're still getting value for Paul in the deal too.

[ShootingtheJ]

https://tradenba.com/trades/61uZea5KM

Thoughts?

We get CP3 and Seth Curry, give up Bledsoe and the RoLo+Wilson contracts, and downgrade the #24 pick to #38

OKC gets rid of CP3's salary, adds 2 expiring contracts, a decent young wing in Knox, and upgrades their pick by 14 spots.

Knicks get Bledsoe who is a good player but also because they are the Knicks and they are dumb.

Dallas gets a better ballhandler/decision maker off the bench who is almost as good of a shooter as Seth.

I like it, but still think the Knicks need to give up more than Knox and a 2nd for Bledsoe. Knox is really bad.

Would the Knicks send the Clippers pick to Dal? I dont know why the Mavs swap a younger player on a good deal for Hill straight up.

Curry is still 30, and not a real PG. There value is pretty similar. Or we just leave Dallas out of it, and send Ersan to OKC.

The Knicks need to kick in something more to the Bucks. Like you said, the Clippers pick, it can go to OKC, and we keep #24.

[ShootingtheJ]

https://tradenba.com/trades/61uZea5KM

Thoughts?

We get CP3 and Seth Curry, give up Bledsoe and the RoLo+Wilson contracts, and downgrade the #24 pick to #38

OKC gets rid of CP3's salary, adds 2 expiring contracts, a decent young wing in Knox, and upgrades their pick by 14 spots.

Knicks get Bledsoe who is a good player but also because they are the Knicks and they are dumb.

Dallas gets a better ballhandler/decision maker off the bench who is almost as good of a shooter as Seth.

Depending on where the luxury tax lands, this deal might not be legal. If a trade takes you into the tax, then you can only take back 125% of the outgoing salary. In this case, that would be $45.1 million, Curry's inclusion makes it $49 million.

[ShootingtheJ]

I don't know how CP3 can be a negative asset. He's expensive but not overpaid and it's not the end of the world if OKC runs it back with their 44-28 team.

To run it back, they'd need to resign Gallinari, and miss the opportunity to cash in on Adams. They've already tipped their hand when they wouldn't pay the coach.

They're still getting value for Paul in the deal too.

In the proposed deal, OKC is getting a $42 trade exception. You know Presti will cash that in for more assets.

[Badgerlander]

I think we have to make a CP offer we're comfortable with if only to make sure nobody gets him for pennies.

Dragic not playing in the finals has really tempered my enthusiasm for going after CP3, especially since we also don’t have a young Herro type player to back him up and grow into the role. I feel like there is a chance that we can get a good player out of this draft but if we give up assets to get CP3 and he goes down when we need him most we are worse off than we are now. If we mortgage the future to cap out the present on an old injury prone player I’d have to think Giannis is gone when that player gets hurt and there’s no way to improve the roster the following year because we’ve painted ourselves into a corner.

[emunney]

I think we have to make a CP offer we're comfortable with if only to make sure nobody gets him for pennies.

Dragic not playing in the finals has really tempered my enthusiasm for going after CP3, especially since we also don’t have a young Herro type player to back him up and grow into the role. I feel like there is a chance that we can get a good player out of this draft but if we give up assets to get CP3 and he goes down when we need him most we are worse off than we are now. If we mortgage the future to cap out the present on an old injury prone player I’d have to think Giannis is gone when that player gets hurt and there’s no way to improve the roster the following year because we’ve painted ourselves into a corner.

Well, I'll put it this way: Bledsoe, Ersan, Wilson is enough outgoing salary to get this done. Shift Bled to a 3rd team who can send out that young prospect and filler. Would you do Bled and a pick for CP? I personally would, and that sets a reasonable floor on the offer that will eventually land him.