Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Yes, Andre is the logical fit but he might not be ready offensively quite yet.

When you're the 5th option playing next to our big 3 the only thing you need to do is not hesitate to shot when you're wide open and crash the glass hard for rebounds when other's shoot. This is all PJ did during our championship run. Occasionally make opponents pay for leaving you wide open and get offensive rebounds to extend possessions.

The problem with AJJ is that he should be playing the dunkers spot but was just absolutely atrocious at it. No power or decisiveness going to the hope and zero touch. You cant play him on the perimeter.

[soxperry]

Yes, Andre is the logical fit but he might not be ready offensively quite yet.

When you're the 5th option playing next to our big 3 the only thing you need to do is not hesitate to shot when you're wide open and crash the glass hard for rebounds when other's shoot. This is all PJ did during our championship run. Occasionally make opponents pay for leaving you wide open and get offensive rebounds to extend possessions.

The problem with AJJ is that he should be playing the dunkers spot but was just absolutely atrocious at it. No power or decisiveness going to the hope and zero touch. You cant play him on the perimeter.

Yeah, he Ben Simmonsed quite a few layup opportunities as i recall.

But he was a second round rookie. Doc needs to get in ear. His teammates need to show faith in him. Confidence and reps.

The PJ thing can work with him too, i just think due to his passing, we should try and make him a playmaker and find a way to craft some offense around his unique abilities.

[JayMKE]

If none of our young guys hit Horst has got to go, somebody has to step up. Any random RGMer can play 2K and make trades mortgaging everything we have.

[chonestown]

So it sounds like Bball Paul is going to get waived. It would be awesome to get him on the min, but I’d also use the tpmle on him if we can shed the requisite salary.

Who?

The Sixers podcasters gave him that name, but not well known.

That said, it’s been a tough off-season for me since everyone now is referred to by initials. KPJ, DJJ, AJJ, etc.

No, it’s CP3 and KD. That’s it. You’ve got to be a five time all star before you get initials.

Not only is this AJ and AJJ and AJJJ erasure, it is PP25 erasure.

[raferfenix]

Yeah, I’d think moody is clearly available. Podz was ahead of him in the rotation, and now they’ve signed Melton and hield. Moody has the size to play the 3, but Wiggins and maybe even kuminga can also play that spot. Something has to give.

Moody doesn't really add anything here. We have guys that can do what he does. Now if they made Pods available, I'd pay a serious price

Is Moody an athletic defensive minded slasher who’s just a so-so shooter?

Not sure why we couldn’t use a guy like that. But have also seen comparisons to him being just a slightly better MarJon, so if he’s just not that good that’s a different story.

Pods seems like would require Khris rather than costing just Bobby or Brook.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yeah, I’d think moody is clearly available. Podz was ahead of him in the rotation, and now they’ve signed Melton and hield. Moody has the size to play the 3, but Wiggins and maybe even kuminga can also play that spot. Something has to give.

Moody doesn't really add anything here. We have guys that can do what he does. Now if they made Pods available, I'd pay a serious price

Is Moody an athletic defensive minded slasher who’s just a so-so shooter?

Not sure why we couldn’t use a guy like that. But have also seen comparisons to him being just a slightly better MarJon, so if he’s just not that good that’s a different story.

Pods seems like would require Khris rather than costing just Bobby or Brook.

Yeah he overlaps with Marjon, and Marjon is likely the better shooter

[Frank Nova]

What’s the obsession with Moody? Isn’t him being phased out of GSWs rotation a sign maybe he’s just not that good? I’ve never seen any sort of real flash with him, especially 1 that’s making him a prize in Portis/Lopez trades. Don’t we have enough projects that can be Moses Moody or better? I think we do and I think we can do better.

[SirChurros]

I am totally on board with giving young guys minutes, but I think it’d be absolutely wild to go into the season counting on two of Green, Ajax and Marjon to be legit contributors. I don’t think any of them have shown they can consistently perform at a championship level.

[Matches Malone]

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[soxperry]

I am totally on board with giving young guys minutes, but I think it’d be absolutely wild to go into the season counting on two of Green, Ajax and Marjon to be legit contributors. I don’t think any of them have shown they can consistently perform at a championship level.

Maybe. But im coming around to it. Specifically, i want to see if one of Marjon or Ajax can start. Then if not we swing a deal using that 31 1st once more teams are no longer trying to win.

[raferfenix]

We can use all the long athletic defenders we can get.

And idk about banking on MarJon for much of anything.

But if Moody isn’t a great defender who can start yeah I don’t trade Bobby and Brook for him alone.

[Daver]

Dame really wants trent here(good friends) hope it works out needs to suck it up on the money though hope he can.Ive read somewhere where he was top 10 in defense deflections that by itself is better than what beas did

[German Athens]

Yeah, I’d think moody is clearly available. Podz was ahead of him in the rotation, and now they’ve signed Melton and hield. Moody has the size to play the 3, but Wiggins and maybe even kuminga can also play that spot. Something has to give.

Moody doesn't really add anything here. We have guys that can do what he does. Now if they made Pods available, I'd pay a serious price

Is Moody an athletic defensive minded slasher who’s just a so-so shooter?

Not sure why we couldn’t use a guy like that. But have also seen comparisons to him being just a slightly better MarJon, so if he’s just not that good that’s a different story.

Pods seems like would require Khris rather than costing just Bobby or Brook.

ShootingtheJ and I are going to disagree on this one. Moody is 1.5 years younger than marjon, has already proven himself to be a rotational quality player, and I’m bullish on him taking a leap on a different squad.

He’s a solid shooter and solid defender who, in my opinion, has quite a bit of room to grow. He has nice defensive indicators - 73rd percentile and 60th percentile for steal % and block %, respectively, which is very good for a wing. He was in the 70th percentile for deflections. He was in the top 30 in charges drawn per 36.

All of the above seems to indicate he has a good motor on defense, is physically capable, and generally knows where to be on the court.

On offense, he’s shot 36% from 3 in each of his first three seasons. I may be naive in thinking that should improve, considering we haven’t seen it, but I like that as a baseline. The type of shooters that worry me most are the ones who are erratic year to year (Carsuo, Rui, etc) - they may shoot in the low 30’s just to follow that up with a season in the low 40’s. I feel confident in Moody’s baseline. The thing that will help him the most is quickening his release - right now it’s slow. If he speeds it up, I would expect his percentage to also improve.

He can capably play the 2 or 3. He’s solid attacking closeouts and finishing at the rim where’s he’s shot over 70 % each of the last two years.

He’s a solid player who won’t turn 23 until next May. He could help us.

[Fotis St]

Horst ... we won't miss Brook's tapping his chest after his turnovers and we'll certainly won't miss Pat C's high arc, rainbow 3P airballs

[soxperry]

Dame really wants trent here(good friends) hope it works out needs to suck it up on the money though hope he can.Ive read somewhere where he was top 10 in defense deflections that by itself is better than what beas did

Upon further review ..

So Trent jr was terrible on D last season but that was also one of the Raptors worst defensive seasons ever. The two years prior he was actually very decent. Two years ago his offensive lebron was very good, 12th among sgs in the league.

Im in. Buy low on the guy who is still only 26 this year and was withering away on a terrible team.

[Ruben Quevedo]

What’s the obsession with Moody? Isn’t him being phased out of GSWs rotation a sign maybe he’s just not that good? I’ve never seen any sort of real flash with him, especially 1 that’s making him a prize in Portis/Lopez trades. Don’t we have enough projects that can be Moses Moody or better? I think we do and I think we can do better.

Moody looks pretty decent when I watch him play, and his numbers are not bad.

But I think GS has a great coaching staff, and Kerr has never been afraid to play young players, so it's a bit of red flag for me that he hasn't been able to stick in their rotation.

[Frank Nova]

The more I think about it, the more running it back seems like the mostly outcome of this offseason. You figure, we built this team under Bud with the idea to surround Giannis with shooters. Every move Milwaukee has pretty much made has been dedicated towards shooting, shooting and shooting. 3wks before last season we added the ultimate shooter and 180’d the whole roster construction. Now this season (like it was early/mid season last year til now) its defense, defense and defense. Maybe the subtle change of a Delon Wright and insert wing name here is all we really need?

We were prepared to roll into the playoffs last year with Pat Bev as the starting guard opposite Dame. And we can all agree that Bucks fans felt like if we were completely healthy we could’ve challenged Boston. You could make an argument that with Delon Wright as the backup PG, the missing piece is just an upgrade from Malik Beasley of the same team we thought could be title contenders last year..

Maybe this is just homerish optimism but it seems logical to me. But replacing Brook and Bobby doesn’t look all that promising if the deals thrown around here and the teams interested don’t have great return value, there might just not be a move to make out there for us right now. Only thing I thought was bound to happen was a move to duck the 2nd apron, now I’m not so sure.

[Rstuedes24]

Warriors seem to be prepping for a consolidation trade.

From the trade board:

They currently have 5 6-5 or under guards who want minutes - Curry, Melton, Hield, Podjemski, Moody. They also have 4 combo forwards - Kuminga, Green, Wiggins, Anderson and 2 centers in TJD/Looney.

Golden State definitely could use another big man.

I would be very happy if we could get Moody.
Wiggins/Moody for Brook/Pat works, gets us 2 wings and gets them their big. Sign Theis and Achiuwa.

Dame/Delon/AJJ
Moody/AJG/Marjon
Khris/Ajax
Giannis/Wiggins/Smith
Bobby/Theis/Achiuwa

Better defensively than last year, better backup pg, good mix of vets/young guys/middle of the pack guys

[BigO]

Illegal? Calm down, Bobby!

I have been vocal on here that I don't love Brown. At a certain point you have to be realistic with other options drying up, and try to connect the dots. We've been linked to him in the past, GSW has been linked to Portis, Toronto has been linked to Wiggins, etc. If you only do that first deal, you are relying on Delon Wright or one of the AJ's to be your starting 2.

So Brown is not high on your list, but you're willing to give up a proven efficient scorer and rebounder, plus two other players for Brown?
Stewart from Detroit intrigues me. Plus a team of Stewart, Bobby and Pat Bev would have this board in a tizzy, which I would enjoy.

Giving up Portis leaves a big scoring and rebounding hole. It's worth it if you can get a legit three and D two guard, which Brown isn't. Horst would never give Portis away for ten cents on a dollar.

Listen, a lot of the trades I post are simply trying to make sense of rumors/reporting and trying to connect the dots. Some of them I would do, some of them I likely wouldn't. Brown has some fans here and has been linked to the Bucks, so thought it was worth posting.

OK. In the future, it would help if you stated whether you think your proposal is a good one or not. If someone makes a proposal, I assume they believe in it.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yeah, I’d think moody is clearly available. Podz was ahead of him in the rotation, and now they’ve signed Melton and hield. Moody has the size to play the 3, but Wiggins and maybe even kuminga can also play that spot. Something has to give.

Moody doesn't really add anything here. We have guys that can do what he does. Now if they made Pods available, I'd pay a serious price

Is Moody an athletic defensive minded slasher who’s just a so-so shooter?

Not sure why we couldn’t use a guy like that. But have also seen comparisons to him being just a slightly better MarJon, so if he’s just not that good that’s a different story.

Pods seems like would require Khris rather than costing just Bobby or Brook.

ShootingtheJ and I are going to disagree on this one. Moody is 1.5 years younger than marjon, has already proven himself to be a rotational quality player, and I’m bullish on him taking a leap on a different squad.

He’s a solid shooter and solid defender who, in my opinion, has quite a bit of room to grow. He has nice defensive indicators - 73rd percentile and 60th percentile for steal % and block %, respectively, which is very good for a wing. He was in the 70th percentile for deflections. He was in the top 30 in charges drawn per 36.

All of the above seems to indicate he has a good motor on defense, is physically capable, and generally knows where to be on the court.

On offense, he’s shot 36% from 3 in each of his first three seasons. I may be naive in thinking that should improve, considering we haven’t seen it, but I like that as a baseline. The type of shooters that worry me most are the ones who are erratic year to year (Carsuo, Rui, etc) - they may shoot in the low 30’s just to follow that up with a season in the low 40’s. I feel confident in Moody’s baseline. The thing that will help him the most is quickening his release - right now it’s slow. If he speeds it up, I would expect his percentage to also improve.

He can capably play the 2 or 3. He’s solid attacking closeouts and finishing at the rim where’s he’s shot over 70 % each of the last two years.

He’s a solid player who won’t turn 23 until next May. He could help us.

He is young, but I just haven't seen the offensive growth. He's more of a traditional 3 than a 2. I don't see ballhandling or passing. Shooting hasn't improved. I think he'll always be what he is now, despite his age.

If we were getting him for a 2nd, sure. Otherwise, I don't think it's good risk management to give up assets for a player that is possibly only slightly farther along than Marjon, and that's without figuring in AJJ and AJG.