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[tedbrogen]

There's nothing inherent about Kuz' game that makes him not a 3. Like, he can guard 3's. And in most prior seasons he shot well enough off the catch and in the corners from 3. He just regressed badly least season & hasn't been able to simplify his offensive game which is a general issue.

He rates out poorly in advanced D stats because while he is good on ball on wings, he gets roasted by quick guards and gets completely lost in rotations.

Hopefully a full training camp with defensive drills will repair him. If he still is with the team that is...

You think they can repair a 30 year old who plays a low IQ game to all of a sudden be alert offball?

[WiscoKing13]

Not having that Pat like salary this year is really going to suck. Looking at a guy like Thybulle and theirs no way to get him without waiting till December 15 and trade vet mins.

[soxperry]

Not having that Pat like salary this year is really going to suck. Looking at a guy like Thybulle and theirs no way to get him without waiting till December 15 and trade vet mins.

The days of needing a guy like Thybulle went out the window when we waived Dame.

[Bernman]

He rates out poorly in advanced D stats because while he is good on ball on wings, he gets roasted by quick guards and gets completely lost in rotations.

Hopefully a full training camp with defensive drills will repair him. If he still is with the team that is...

You think they can repair a 30 year old who plays a low IQ game to all of a sudden be alert offball?

You used the argument of his advanced d stats, to which I rebutted they were actually pretty good in LA where he didn't have as much offensive responsibility, which you blew passed entirely.

[soxperry]

Really only 2 trades I'm interested at this point.

Kuzma for RJ or Demar. Not willing to give up any assets but I do like their fit on the current roster and their higher salary next year. Gives us more trade salary if we do pair it at the deadline or summer with the picks that are left.

i dont like the defensive fit of either one, but they would each help solve the Giannis off minutes. seems like Derozan is much more likely. I can't imagine getting Barrett without giving up a pick.

[WiscoKing13]

Really only 2 trades I'm interested at this point.

Kuzma for RJ or Demar. Not willing to give up any assets but I do like their fit on the current roster and their higher salary next year. Gives us more trade salary if we do pair it at the deadline or summer with the picks that are left.

i dont like the defensive fit of either one, but they would each help solve the Giannis off minutes. seems like Derozan is much more likely. I can't imagine getting Barrett without giving up a pick.

TOR will need to get out of the tax before the end of the year and the other contracts aren't moving. The question will be is there a market for Barrett on that deal.

[tedbrogen]

Hopefully a full training camp with defensive drills will repair him. If he still is with the team that is...

You think they can repair a 30 year old who plays a low IQ game to all of a sudden be alert offball?

You used the argument of his advanced d stats, to which I rebutted they were actually pretty good in LA where he didn't have as much offensive responsibility, which you blew passed entirely.

In LA he was surrounded by high IQ, high skill defenders (Caruso, LeBron, KCP, and AD).

The biggest issue is even if Kuz is someone more focused defensive and not killing their rotations, he’s still a super low IQ offensive player who kills your spacing because he will be left wide open to throw extra bodies at GA and he is not capable of consistently making teams pay for that.

[Bernman]

You think they can repair a 30 year old who plays a low IQ game to all of a sudden be alert offball?

You used the argument of his advanced d stats, to which I rebutted they were actually pretty good in LA where he didn't have as much offensive responsibility, which you blew passed entirely.

In LA he was surrounded by high IQ, high skill defenders (Caruso, LeBron, KCP, and AD).

The biggest issue is even if Kuz is someone more focused defensive and not killing their rotations, he’s still a super low IQ offensive player who kills your spacing because he will be left wide open to throw extra bodies at GA and he is not capable of consistently making teams pay for that.

Most of the offensive issues are a matter of delusion/ego not i.q. He could just play more simply and let Giannis, KPJ, etc.; do the creating. Then it's a matter if he can hit shots. Which, again, in yrs prior to last, he was OK at. He just tried to do too much. Last yr you couldn't do anything w/ him.

[raferfenix]

If we keep Kuz, here’s hoping Doc was so thoroughly embarrassed after going to bat for him to such an extreme degree that things change from his end.

[tedbrogen]

You used the argument of his advanced d stats, to which I rebutted they were actually pretty good in LA where he didn't have as much offensive responsibility, which you blew passed entirely.

In LA he was surrounded by high IQ, high skill defenders (Caruso, LeBron, KCP, and AD).

The biggest issue is even if Kuz is someone more focused defensive and not killing their rotations, he’s still a super low IQ offensive player who kills your spacing because he will be left wide open to throw extra bodies at GA and he is not capable of consistently making teams pay for that.

Most of the offensive issues are a matter of delusion/ego not i.q. He could just play more simply and let Giannis, KPJ, etc.; do the creating. Then it's a matter if he can hit shots. Which, again, in yrs prior to last, he was OK at. He just tried to do too much. Last yr you couldn't do anything w/ him.

He’s been below average three point shooter his entire career. Even if you somehow convince him to stop making stupid decisions on offense and take open corner threes, opponents will happily live with a below average shooter taking wide open shots instead of GA getting to the rim.

By definition, any minutes you play Kuz with GA, you are taking an efficiency hit.

And that’s before getting into the delusion of simply convincing him to realize he’s not the offensive player he thinks he is, that he demostrated no ability to understand last season when on the team with GA and KPJ.

He’s 30, he’s not changing his game. He doesn’t have that level of self-awareness and neither does Doc.

[tedbrogen]

If we keep Kuz, here’s hoping Doc was so thoroughly embarrassed after going to bat for him to such an extreme degree that things change from his end.

More likely, Doc starts him at SF.

[raferfenix]

If all Kuminga cost was our 2031 first and 2032 swap (while dumping Kuzma), would Horst/Doc pull the trigger?

How about if Golden State insists on AJ Green?

Kuminga said he was taking meetings at summer league. Most recent reports are he’s likely to sign a deal with the plan to be traded soon, but that also could just be someone negotiating through the press.

[soxperry]

honestly, im just so tired of hearing the word Kuminga. if he were on the Grizzlies no one would give a ****.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

as others have stated as well.....i think its

giannis/kuzma
turner/portis

i really dont see kuzma starting

we'll see lineups with portis/giannis and kuzma/turner but i dont think we'll see alot of kuzma/giannis lineups unless we were going really small and thats our front court.

i just think were committed to a different kind of team next year and we know kuzma isnt a fit for that. he literally got benched in the playoffs with brook. rumors are rampant hes available. that is all undeniable. from docs interviews and the moves he already inititated in the playoffs he absolutely sees the light here. this offseason has really shown that with who weve brought in

[c00lhand208]

If all Kuminga cost was our 2031 first and 2032 swap (while dumping Kuzma), would Horst/Doc pull the trigger?

How about if Golden State insists on AJ Green?

Kuminga said he was taking meetings at summer league. Most recent reports are he’s likely to sign a deal with the plan to be traded soon, but that also could just be someone negotiating through the press.

Avoid Kuminga if it takes the ‘31 1st & certainly if AJ Green is required. An unnecessary gamble on whether his game proves to be a fit alongside Giannis. Save the ammo for a better shot at landing a needle moving fit.

[jakecronus8]

If all Kuminga cost was our 2031 first and 2032 swap (while dumping Kuzma), would Horst/Doc pull the trigger?

How about if Golden State insists on AJ Green?

Kuminga said he was taking meetings at summer league. Most recent reports are he’s likely to sign a deal with the plan to be traded soon, but that also could just be someone negotiating through the press.

Avoid Kuminga if it takes the ‘31 1st & certainly if AJ Green is required. An unnecessary gamble on whether his game proves to be a fit alongside Giannis. Save the ammo for a better shot at landing a needle moving fit.

Only name I’ve seen floated for that package that I’d do is Murphy III which seems like a pipe dream. If he’s healthy he’s the absolute perfect guy to finish the roster and with health on our side I love our chances to win the east.

[WiscoKing13]

If we keep Kuz, here’s hoping Doc was so thoroughly embarrassed after going to bat for him to such an extreme degree that things change from his end.

Pretty clear that was the only deal to get us out of the second apron. Really don't know what else you want the HC to do in that instance.

[BigO]

Delusions on this board:

1) Kuzma will become good, because advanced stats something, he worked hard this off season, etc.

2) Anthony was good because despite what the basic stats show and what your eyes tell you, selecttive adbvanced stats tell a different story.

I'm old and still use my eyes, along with basic stats to tell me a story about a player. I stil haven't run into a player where my eyes and those old time stats told the wrong story.

And let me repeat what I said before. This signing is a non story if the coach was someone else. But with Doc, there is no basis to think he will play the best players.

[Prez]

If we keep Kuz, here’s hoping Doc was so thoroughly embarrassed after going to bat for him to such an extreme degree that things change from his end.

Pretty clear that was the only deal to get us out of the second apron. Really don't know what else you want the HC to do in that instance.

Not really sure what you’re getting at here? Horst making a trade to get us under the 2nd apron does not mean Doc is obligated to start him + another bad player both out of position and actively sabotage us with those lineups. He could’ve easily used Kuzma more sparingly in a backup PF role.

[FireStreetlifeNow]

Delusions on this board:

1) Kuzma will become good, because advanced stats something, he worked hard this off season, etc.

2) Anthony was good because despite what the basic stats show and what your eyes tell you, selecttive adbvanced stats tell a different story.

I'm old and still use my eyes, along with basic stats to tell me a story about a player. I stil haven't run into a player where my eyes and those old time stats told the wrong story.

And let me repeat what I said before. This signing is a non story if the coach was someone else. But with Doc, there is no basis to think he will play the best players.

"I'm old and still use my eyes"... So are you the BigI now? Feel free to use it

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