Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders?

[InsideOut]

And I don't really care too much about the bar fight, but what is he doing there two days before his baby is born? That says a lot about him.

Huh? What was he supposed to be doing, constantly kneeling next to the pregnant mother of his child? She's pregnant, not at immenent risk to die of cancer.

Some day you are in for a rude awakening.

I think there is a little wiggle room between constantly kneeling next to your expecting wife and being cited for disorderly conduct and assault and battery at 1am in a night club.

This thread has taught me a lot about what people view as acceptable behavior.

Question...how many of you guys are in a night club at 1am by yourself?

[Baddy Chuck]

If we got insane value in young players/picks for him I'd trade him, just like I'd trade anyone on this team.

Trading him just to trade him? Nope.

[Nebula1]

Guys:

The Houston version of this board, clutchfans, has their own buckpack, with his own sterling record. He's been reporting the Houston/Milwaukee talks have been centered around Ersan and the flipping of Asik to a third team. This guy's history and the clutchfans support of him gives him enough credibility in my eyes.

This is what it's been for awhile, but then T Jones came on the scene and Asik's tag has gone way up. I suspect Ersan may not be enough, which is why you're hearing the Sanders name involved. Houston must get a backup center on the roster and right now, Asik has been doing a great job.

Also, cluthfans sucks.

[Baddy Chuck]

This is what it's been for awhile, but then T Jones came on the scene and Asik's tag has gone way up. I suspect Ersan may not be enough, which is why you're hearing the Sanders name involved. Houston must get a backup center on the roster and right now, Asik has been doing a great job.

We'd be closer to talking Raduljica then Sanders in that situation...... Ersan/Sanders is laughable.

[worthlessBucks]

I'd do Sanders and Ridnour for Bennett and Waiters today.

The value is there, so yes I'd do it today as well. Cleveland probably seeks Henson or a first thrown in there too sadly. Their roster is a bit of a puzzle when messing around with the trade checker, our pieces don't really align with their needs. Plus, there's the issue of ensuring that the Cavs still have cap space for their Lebron attempt.

If they want to give us Bennett though, open arms.

[averageposter]

I'd agree that his value is probably low, but last year I would have said no way to anything really. The Bucks had to bank on him becoming more especially after extending him. Now Giannis and a probable high pick, Larry's odd start to the season and the taste of a potential patient rebuild have me thinking maybe I'd take less than market if what was returned was sensible to patient rebuilding plans.

I do also think the front office stooges had erred on the side of quality characters, turning down guys like Randolph. That is, until Jackson blew up in there face in a spectacularly embarrassing fashion. I could see Larry's antics however you want to look at them, showing the maturity might not have been headed in the right direction and spurring a knee jerk reaction. At least that what Woefel seems to be selling. On that point I tend to agree seems Buck like anyway.

[Nebula1]

This is what it's been for awhile, but then T Jones came on the scene and Asik's tag has gone way up. I suspect Ersan may not be enough, which is why you're hearing the Sanders name involved. Houston must get a backup center on the roster and right now, Asik has been doing a great job.

We'd be closer to talking Raduljica then Sanders in that situation...... Ersan/Sanders is laughable.

Morey wants 2 firsts for Asik. I'm suggesting Ersan straight up is not enough for Asik, especially considering the need for a reserve center and that the package would likely have to be bigger, but hopefully no Jones included since he's been a major Houston success catalyst.

I also think it potentially makes sense to move both Ersan and Sanders together to solidify the tank and shot at #1.

The only untouchable on the Milwaukee roster is Giannis.

[Bernman]

This is what it's been for awhile, but then T Jones came on the scene and Asik's tag has gone way up. I suspect Ersan may not be enough, which is why you're hearing the Sanders name involved. Houston must get a backup center on the roster and right now, Asik has been doing a great job.

We'd be closer to talking Raduljica then Sanders in that situation...... Ersan/Sanders is laughable.

Morey wants 2 firsts for Asik. I'm suggesting Ersan straight up is not enough for Asik, especially considering the need for a reserve center and that the package would likely have to be bigger, but hopefully no Jones included since he's been a major Houston success catalyst.

I also think it potentially makes sense to move both Ersan and Sanders together to solidify the tank and shot at #1.

The only untouchable on the Milwaukee roster is Giannis.

Just because he wants it, doesn't mean he'll get it. He's negotiating.

And multiple 1sts is a pretty rigid type of return expected, especially considering they are in win now mode. They can mix present and future interests.

How about this 3-way trade:

Suns receive: Asik, Mayo
Rockets receive: Ilyasova, Suns 1st (currently 20th)
Bucks receive: Okafor, Suns 1st (currently 13th), Motiejunas

I think everybody improves their outlook with that one.

[paulpressey25]

Cleveland probably seeks Henson or a first thrown in there too sadly. Their roster is a bit of a puzzle when messing around with the trade checker, our pieces don't really align with their needs.

Would be hard for Cleveland since they have Bynum, Varajao and Tristan upfront. Sanders and Ersan would be redundant for them.

We've talked on here about Larry for Barnes. I think that deal works for both teams, but not with cap considerations. We'd have to take back Lee's crappy deal.

Then we come to Charlotte. Larry for Biyombo is an intriguing deal in my eyes. We could supplement it with some other veteran win now piece that Charlotte wants and work towards getting a Charlotte pick.

My fear listening to Woelfel this morning is that the Bulls decide to tank and offer up a Deng/Boozer combination for Sanders/Ersan or something like that. i.e. a "win now" move that will screw up our draft position.

[glenn]

And I don't really care too much about the bar fight, but what is he doing there two days before his baby is born? That says a lot about him.

Huh? What was he supposed to be doing, constantly kneeling next to the pregnant mother of his child? She's pregnant, not at immenent risk to die of cancer.

Some day you are in for a rude awakening.

I think there is a little wiggle room between constantly kneeling next to your expecting wife and being cited for disorderly conduct and assault and battery at 1am in a night club.

This thread has taught me a lot about what people view as acceptable behavior.

Question...how many of you guys are in a night club at 1am by yourself?

Here’s my problem; you don’t know me or my situation and we have no way of knowing what is going on in the Sanders house. I've been with my significant other for over a decade and we have a great understanding of each other’s needs and preferences. My original post was snarky (being the internet and all), but I feel that I’ve explained it better further down. I don’t really think a “rude awakening” in incoming.

*Edited to sound less confrontational.

[theFireBlanket]

My fear listening to Woelfel this morning is that the Bulls decide to tank and offer up a Deng/Boozer combination for Sanders/Ersan or something like that. i.e. a "win now" move that will screw up our draft position.

There's no way Hammond pulls that trade. It's not a Warrick/Alexander for Salmons & right to swap picks type steal by any means. The irony in any trade would be that their pick ended up being Larry Sanders. I'd hate for it to happen but I just don't think it's even plausible.

[Nebula1]

Just because he wants it, doesn't mean he'll get it. He's negotiating.

And multiple 1sts is a pretty rigid type of return expected, especially considering they are in win now mode. They can mix present and future interests.

How about this 3-way trade:

Suns receive: Asik, Mayo
Rockets receive: Ilyasova, Suns 1st (currently 20th)
Bucks receive: Okafor, Suns 1st (currently 13th), Motiejunas

I think everybody improves their outlook with that one.

I understand that, but Jones has put Houston in a position of strength. The Rockets don't need to trade at all and are stronger with Asik as a reserve.

In your proposal, Houston gets no reserve center which is the key to the Rockets "defense". Rockets can't defend anywhere but point and paint so the reserve center is paramount imo.

Rockets are worse with your trade since Ilyasova, Jones and Casspi now have to split time. Howard has no backup so I pass on this deal. Rockets giving up too much.


Also, no way Suns do that. Suns like Plumlee, drafted Len and have the 2 spot reserved for Goodwin.

[theFireBlanket]

Just because he wants it, doesn't mean he'll get it. He's negotiating.

And multiple 1sts is a pretty rigid type of return expected, especially considering they are in win now mode. They can mix present and future interests.

How about this 3-way trade:

Suns receive: Asik, Mayo
Rockets receive: Ilyasova, Suns 1st (currently 20th)
Bucks receive: Okafor, Suns 1st (currently 13th), Motiejunas

I think everybody improves their outlook with that one.

I understand that, but Jones has put Houston in a position of strength. The Rockets don't need to trade at all and are stronger with Asik as a reserve.

In your proposal, Houston gets no reserve center which is the key to the Rockets "defense". Rockets can't defend anywhere but point and paint so the reserve center is paramount imo.

Rockets are worse with your trade since Ilyasova, Jones and Casspi now have to split time. Howard has no backup so I pass on this deal.

The Rockets can have Zaza or Udoh. Okafor, if they can somehow swallow him in this deal. There's no way they get Sanders.

[Baddy Chuck]

Morey wants 2 firsts for Asik. I'm suggesting Ersan straight up is not enough for Asik, especially considering the need for a reserve center and that the package would likely have to be bigger, but hopefully no Jones included since he's been a major Houston success catalyst.

If Ersan for Asik isn't enough, you think adding a player just as good as Asik into the deal is fair? It's like trading $1.50 for $1.05. We have plenty of options at backup center to trade, including Udoh and Zaza, why in the world would Sanders make one bit of sense to give up? You're literally lighting an asset on fire to tank when you could, oh I don't know, trade that asset for what he's worth?

[Nebula1]

The Rockets can have Zaza or Udoh. There's no way they get Sanders.

Then what's the motivation for Houston? Houston is trying to get deep into the Playoffs and right now Jones is more valuable than Ilyasova.

Houston can/does shoot plenty of 3s so the notion of a stretch 4 is a bit overblown, especially at the cost of Asik.

[paulpressey25]

There's no way Hammond pulls that trade.

I'm not sure Hammond is running things. But the bigger question is whether or not the Bulls would try to pull the wool over Herb Kohl's eyes and how much they'd be willing to give up.

If I were Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf, I'd call Herb directly. Here would be my pitch:

"Herb, I know that you need to get rid of Sanders for PR reasons. I also know that while you can be "bad" for one-year, you can't do a multi-year rebuild because of the new arena issue (a lie, but hey, this is how Reinsdorf sells it and appeals to how Herb thinks).

So, what I'd propose is a swap where you send us Sanders, Ersan and a top-ten protected #1 pick, and we send you Deng and Noah. Deng and Noah will instantly fix your frontline and give you a good shot at a 6-8th seed in the East. So, you will instantly become respectable. For us? We probably will flip Ersan for another long-term asset and do a full rebuild since Rose's career may be shot. But our market can handle a multi-year rebuild, while yours cannot "

Not saying that happens, but if I were Reinsdorf, I'd be all over that.

[theFireBlanket]

The Rockets can have Zaza or Udoh. There's no way they get Sanders.

Then what's the motivation for Houston? Houston is trying to get deep into the Playoffs and right now Jones is more valuable than Ilyasova.

Houston can/does shoot plenty of 3s so the notion of a stretch 4 is a bit overblown, especially at the cost of Asik.

If they don't want or feel they need Ersan, then the two teams seem to have no reason to make any deal. This all began with Houston wanting Ersan, that's where it should end.

The Bucks can't excuse trading a stud defender for a group of lesser players, if they're serious about turning the franchise into a contender and getting an arena built in MKE.

[Turk Nowitzki]

If we can somehow turn Ersan into another top 15 pick I'm all for it, and Ersan is my favorite player ever. I'd rather not include Larry unless we are getting another young valuable piece back as well.

[Bernman]

I understand that, but Jones has put Houston in a position of strength. The Rockets don't need to trade at all and are stronger with Asik as a reserve.

They aren't that strong. TJ is not an established player and is kind of a tweener. They could definitely use Ersan.

In your proposal, Houston gets no reserve center which is the key to the Rockets "defense". Rockets can't defend anywhere but point and paint so the reserve center is paramount imo.

Then throw in Udoh. He's expendable here anyway.

Rockets are worse with your trade since Ilyasova, Jones and Casspi now have to split time. Howard has no backup so I pass on this deal. Rockets giving up too much.

I don't agree they are worse. Motiejunas is a non factor right now and Ilyasova would play a much bigger role than Asik.

I also don't agree that they are giving up too much. For their purposes Ilyasova > Asik and the Suns' pick is future compensation for Motiejunas. It makes perfect sense, and like I said we should be willing to bolster it with Udoh if need be. Then they'd have zero to complain about.

Also, no way Suns do that. Suns like Plumlee, drafted Len and have the 2 spot reserved for Goodwin.

How do those players benefit their desire to win this year? They are 10-9 and the Suns' owner has a tendency to want to win ASAP. Asik and Mayo would help them do that much more than Okafor or the picks. The picks shouldn't mean all that much to them since they have so many.

My trade idea was very realistic. It needs little tweaks at most.

[Baddy Chuck]

Looking around the league, and assuming 2014 picks will be treated like gold, the only place that right now I could see myself sending Larry to is OKC. Something with Perkins/Lamb/Jackson would get me listening. Adams would be very nice too.