Stein: Strong possibility Bucks active due to slow start

[Matches Malone]

No thanks on Turner. Would rather give those minutes to Giannis and Middleton. Anybody want to text Hammond and tell him not to trade our young players or picks?

I would take Turner for Ersan. Might hurt the tank, but Turner seems to be getting it.

I guess it would depend on the contract situation. I believe he only has a one year qualifying offer at 8m left. I'm not so sure he is worth the money he is more than likely to get in free agency. I think Middleton could end up being a better bargain, especially if we have Antetokounmpo and possibly Wiggins or Parker added to the mix.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

First you said you wanted to tank from week one then you said you wanted to keep Sanders because you didn't want to tank. This doesn't seem to make sense.

i was ok with sanders up until the season started.

i havent wanted to "set out to tank". im not a loser or cheater. a good faith effort is the ethical choice year in and year out. dont always mortgage your future for it, but try to be the best you can with that as your goal.

but from time to time i have supported an in season reboot over the last 10+ years ive been on these message boards. this year is a no brainer and it seemed clear to me very early in the season that we dont have even the hope of a quick oppurtunity out. we should look to the future. ive committed to the tank as you guys call it. we suck. whether we did this intentionally or not is irrelevent to me. we need a reboot.

[Matches Malone]

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/11/latest-raptors-bucks.html

When the Rockets explore Omer Asik trades, they’ll likely be targeting a player such as Ryan Anderson or Ersan Ilyasova. says Ford, adding that both of those guys might be available. Asik may not be the right fit for either the Pelicans or Bucks though, according to Ford, so a third team might have to get involved.

Even though Bucks owner Herb Kohl is known to be anti-tanking, Ford suggests John Hammond should be sending Kohl video of Andrew Wiggins, Julius Randle, and Jabari Parker every day until he reconsiders. The insinuation there, of course, is that a poor finish this season will be the Bucks’ best chance to land a star.

Do you think we could get a third team involved? Perhaps Philadelphia?

Asik to Philadelphia
Ilyasova to Houston
1st round pick to Milwaukee

It makes the most sense and helps each team with respect to where they are right now. Houston gets that stretch four next to Howard, Asik becomes the man in the middle for Philly and we get a 1st round pick to add to our youth. Only snag I could see at the moment is the terrific play of Terrance Jones next to Howard in Houston.

[MrPerfect1]

PHI would never consider trading their 1st, unless it was like Top 25 Protected. Unlike us, they have a very smart GM

[SkilesTheLimit]

Trader John. LOL

Everytime I hear that, it's like the person saying it is complimenting him. His trades have generally been god awful. Can't think of any besides the Salmons that we won. Possibly Jennings lately due to the addition by subtraction and emergence of Middleton.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Either way, there is no way to argue that a tanking team acquiring Asik is a logical move. Unless you're saying we can immediately flip him for youth or picks, in which case I'd just say Houston could do that without using us as an intermediary.

of course ive been suggesting we should flip him. do you even read my posts?

think in terms of atlanta when they were tanking but still traded for rasheed. asik has value. but if ersan is the guy they want back league wide, and we cant find a 3rd team now..... then we make the trade. you make the move. you trade palomino place to get back pennsylvania avenue then figure it out later.

[LUKE23]

I wouldn't burn down the castle if we traded Ersan for Asik, with the assumption that we are moving Asik immediately and not planning on playing him with a win now intention. I more had an issue with saying we should include Sanders in the deal. That's a really bad idea.

[SkilesTheLimit]

If they could somehow package Udoh, Ridnour, or Neal with Ersan and get a nice young asset (doubt we get a pick) for Asik in a 3-way, I could get behind it. Any trade executed by Hammond terrifies me.

[jimmybones]

Dude, if we make any "win now" trade I'll be furious.










If we trade Giannis, draft pick, Middleton, Wolters or Henson I'm DONE.

[ChuckBros4Life]

Turner is a very nice piece but I'd prefer not to fiddle with our only hope of top five salvation.

These are the only type of deals I'd like to see the Bucks be "active" in-

Mayo and Neal to Detroit for Charlie Villanueva and Gigi Datome
Ersan, Epke and Ridnour to Charlotte for Bismack Biyombo and Ben Gordon.

Knight/Wolters
Middleton/Gordon
Butler/Gannnis/Datome
Henson/Bismack/Villanueva
Sanders/Bismack/Zaza

Improves our Eastern conference competition to keep them out of the lottery. Makes Detroit significantly deeper and gives them a real chance to get out of the first round. Ersan is a good fit for Charlotte for a couple years until Zeller is ready to emerge. Both of those teams want to win now. Sheds a ton of money this summer with Villanueva and Gordon coming off the books. Bismack is only 21.

Both these deals would be great! I'm particularly fond of Biyombo. He's such a physical specimen. I think he could definitely be a valuable piece on a contending team. He'd make Henson/Sanders dispensable. He'd be a great compliment to either since he's actually got some muscle behind him. We'd be able to put him on a guy like Lopez instead of Henson.
Do those trades work in the trade machine?

[Matches Malone]

If we trade Giannis, draft pick, Middleton, Wolters or Henson I'm DONE.

I could live if they moved Wolters as long as we got something valuable back. Add Sanders to that list and I'm with ya. I'd be furious if they moved a pick, Middleton, Henson or Giannis.

[Buckrageous]

The only return I would want in any deal is draft picks. I don't want Turner or Asik or anyone else. Dump the vets for draft picks and give all the minutes to the young guys or don't do anything.

[InsideOut]

First you said you wanted to tank from week one then you said you wanted to keep Sanders because you didn't want to tank. This doesn't seem to make sense.

i was ok with sanders up until the season started.

i havent wanted to "set out to tank". im not a loser or cheater. a good faith effort is the ethical choice year in and year out. dont always mortgage your future for it, but try to be the best you can with that as your goal.

but from time to time i have supported an in season reboot over the last 10+ years ive been on these message boards. this year is a no brainer and it seemed clear to me very early in the season that we dont have even the hope of a quick oppurtunity out. we should look to the future. ive committed to the tank as you guys call it. we suck. whether we did this intentionally or not is irrelevent to me. we need a reboot.

So the 1st 3 games of the season was enough to get you to go from don't tank to tank?

If you want to tank and lose games how does trading Sanders to Houston help that cause?

As far as you not being a "loser / cheater" then how can you want them to tank this year. Are you saying a team should never tank unless they are bad and then it is okay to tank?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I wouldn't burn down the castle if we traded Ersan for Asik, with the assumption that we are moving Asik immediately and not planning on playing him with a win now intention. I more had an issue with saying we should include Sanders in the deal. That's a really bad idea.

then were on the same page. absolutely i dont want asik longterm. i just think we could get back more, later, with him.

the sanders thing is a separate issue. i realize im in the minority on that. hes viewed an an asset around here, but to me i feel like were on the edge of a canyon with this guy where in a couple of months moving him might feel impossible for years. you want to gamble hes the goods.... i want somebody else to take that gamble. we can disagree on that.

[Baddy Chuck]

I'm all for "trading for Asik" but he should not even be in a suit on Milwaukee's bench one game. Short term or especially long term he should not be on the team, it would have to be a three way trade.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

So the 1st 3 games of the season was enough to get you to go from don't tank to tank?

yep.. worst team i can remember seeing here and injuries galore.

If you want to tank and lose games how does trading Sanders to Houston help that cause?

if he comes back good then he helps us win marginally and in an allout reboot id want something better anyway.
if he comes back bad then we owe him 50 friggin million and hes the next bobby simmons.

but i could understand if somebody still believes firmly that hes a top 10 center. wouldnt take issue with that... just not how i feel about him. simple risk management to me on this one.

As far as you not being a "loser / cheater" then how can you want them to tank this year. Are you saying a team should never tank unless they are bad and then it is okay to tank?

its one thing to fold a hand. its another to stack the deck before the cards come. simple philosophy.

the league would and should take the picks away from a team that openly admited they were trying to throw games and/or lose intentionally. what you personally call for year in and year out was allowed it would destroy the league. it would turn fans off by the millions. half the teams in the league losing on purpose.... actually planning for it.. trying to induce it.

after a good faith effort that fails....then trading for, and playing more youth once a team is eliminated from contention is a completely different philosophy.

[randy84]

No thanks on Turner. Would rather give those minutes to Giannis and Middleton. Anybody want to text Hammond and tell him not to trade our young players or picks?

I would take Turner for Ersan. Might hurt the tank, but Turner seems to be getting it.

I guess it would depend on the contract situation. I believe he only has a one year qualifying offer at 8m left. I'm not so sure he is worth the money he is more than likely to get in free agency. I think Middleton could end up being a better bargain, especially if we have Antetokounmpo and possibly Wiggins or Parker added to the mix.

That's the beauty of it. You get out of Ersan's contract and Turner won't be here next year. Frees up money and a roster spot.

[Treebeard]

I can see the interest for Houston in getting Ersan or Ryan Anderson being more important to them, than shedding Asik. If they get a decent stretch 4, and that makes a really good Houston team considerably better. I also think Orlando might make better use of Asik than Milwaukee - I think the Magic are lost closer to turning a corner than the Bucks are. This would be another short-sighted, no-vision, short-term blunder for the Bucks to bring Asik here.

IF the Bucks are involved, the only thing they should be doing is facilitating a 3 way and acquiring 2014 picks or prospects.

[MrPerfect1]

the league would and should take the picks away from a team that openly admited they were trying to throw games and/or lose intentionally. what you personally call for year in and year out was allowed it would destroy the league. it would turn fans off by the millions. half the teams in the league losing on purpose.... actually planning for it.. trying to induce it.

after a good faith effort that fails....then trading for, and playing more youth once a team is eliminated from contention is a completely different philosophy.

Completely disagree. A team's goal is to acquire as many good payers as it can. It is not most teams fault that top FA's are only interested in joining a few select organizations and that the rest need to hope to tank or for lottery miracles to acquire a true superstar.

If the NBA does not want teams to openly tank then they should blame their own system. Teams acting in their own long term self interest is smart business

[Treebeard]

Completely disagree. A team's goal is to acquire as many good payers as it can. It is not most teams fault that top FA's are only interested in joining a few select organizations and that the rest need to hope to tank or for lottery miracles to acquire a true superstar.

If the NBA does not want teams to openly tank then they should blame their own system. Teams acting in their own long term self interest is smart business

I agree with MrPerfect1. The NBA pooched their more recent chance to level the playing field.