Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[Newz]

You are bashing Embiid's freshman production.

the hell I am.

im saying his numbers leave a lot to the imagination. he could be anything. im also saying that there is NO LIST of centers drafted with a #1 overall pick who just came off 11/8. so how about you quit being delusional about the kid and deal with that blank list instead.

I don't care what other hofers did as freshman.... I can find more centers who averaged 11/8 as freshman and bombed then turned into hofers. its a useless exercise.

It is useless. So then why did you bring up 11/8 in the first place?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

exum had that one tournament and the jamboree game. and they were both on tv. quit calling him unknown all you exum haters.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

No offense to anyone but no one knows what Cleveland is going to do or even the Bucks for that matter. Cleveland/Milwaukee stand to lose a lot by tipping their hand to anyone. Cleveland's drafting strategy has been quite odd and they are not really know for making the right moves so applying sound logic to their situation is kind of pointless.

[KeyRabbit]

Unless Gilbert has been the one making the choices, you can't really compare what the Cavs will do this year to what they did in the previous few.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

You are bashing Embiid's freshman production.

the hell I am.

im saying his numbers leave a lot to the imagination. he could be anything. im also saying that there is NO LIST of centers drafted with a #1 overall pick who just came off 11/8. so how about you quit being delusional about the kid and deal with that blank list instead.

I don't care what other hofers did as freshman.... I can find more centers who averaged 11/8 as freshman and bombed then turned into hofers. its a useless exercise.

It is useless. So then why did you bring up 11/8 in the first place?

to remind people that he hasn't done ANYTHING to justify a #1 overall pick.... except be big and have some catlike movements.

[LUKE23]

exum had that one tournament and the jamboree game. and they were both on tv. quit calling him unknown all you exum haters.

I wish we passed on Giannis for Shane Larkin because he didn't have enough nationally televised games. Oh wait....

[LUKE23]

to remind people that he hasn't done ANYTHING to justify a #1 overall pick.... except be big and have some catlike movements.

Umm, yes he has. Unless you believe NBA people don't project and only draft on production (regardless of age as well). Which would make McDermott a top 3 lock this season. It would also be like us passing on Giannis becasue he didn't have great stats, while we also ignore stuff like his length/passing/ball handling combination.

[Newz]

to remind people that he hasn't done ANYTHING to justify a #1 overall pick.... except be big and have some catlike movements.

So who did justify doing enough to get picked first overall?

Wiggins numbers were very good... for a Freshman. He disappeared in big games and struggled at times.
Parker's numbers were very good... for a Freshman, though his defense was horrendous and he struggled at times.
Exum didn't play in the US and isn't as proven against as high of a level of competition...

The draft isn't like it used to be where you are picking a bunch of guys who stayed in for four years. You are taking guys based on what they project to be, not what they already are. Is that not common knowledge?

[JayMKE]

I have no idea how anybody could have Exum over Parker. Parker has a resume, he has the skills, and he has the mind. We've seen the top prospects and picked their games apart for a year now, Exum is just the mystery behind door #2. PG of the future, give me a break! That's what you say about about a guy who has to learn to play PG, I don't believe Exum is going to be able to score as easily against NBA players as he is Australian high schoolers. High school competition doesn't tell you squat, high school tape made Sam Dekker look like the second coming of Larry Bird. What do you think he'd look like in the NBA right now?

Oh boy. "The resume, skills and mind". Winning a national high school championship, apparently signifies nothing. Whereas Parker struggled to help his team win at his level, when the tournament rolled around. Both of these players are skilled. The difference is that Parker's skills really only translate on one side of the ball, like Embiid and Wiggins, Exum is a two way player. Mind? Again, Exum has a high basketball IQ.

He's a mystery to you and shills in the national media that consider themselves experts but don't bother examining basketball outside of the NCAA scope. He's not a mystery to the scouts who've watched, apparently including Hammond who will be making this year's selection and he's got him high on his board according to Ford.

The connotation of bust that Exum is more likely to be is the figurative rack that feeds and nourishes this franchise's future success. Deal with it.

Parker has a mature game that has a better chance at translating to the NBA imo, his deficiencies get more scrutiny because he's played more relevant basketball. If Exum had played college ball then those question marks you guys find so inane now would become much more evident. We learned a lot about Parker and Wiggins in their one year of college basketball, people were higher on them as high schoolers it seems. At least that's how it was on this board. Is Exum some defensive phenom or do people like his potential there because of his combination of his size and quickness? Parker has the intagibles to be a fine defender in the NBA, size/athleticism/strength/IQ. Will he put it together? Maybe, maybe not but I think the fact that he has actually played relevant basketball is being held against him when compared to Exum in this regard.

[LUKE23]

You are taking guys based on what they project to be, not what they already are. Is that not common knowledge?

I thought it was.

[theFireBlanket]

exum had that one tournament and the jamboree game. and they were both on tv. quit calling him unknown all you exum haters.

I wish we passed on Giannis for Shane Larkin because he didn't have enough nationally televised games. Oh wait....

This applies to what JayMKE is doing with Exum as well.

Parker has a mature game that has a better chance at translating to the NBA imo, his deficiencies get more scrutiny because he's played more relevant basketball. If Exum had played college ball then those question marks you guys find so inane now would become much more evident. We learned a lot about Parker and Wiggins in their one of college basketball, people were higher on them as players as high schoolers it seems. Is Exum some defensive phenom or do people like his potential there because of his combination of his size and quickness? Parker has the intagibles to be a fine defender in the NBA, size/athleticism/strength/IQ. Will he put it together? Maybe, maybe not but I think the fact that he has actually played relevant basketball is being held against him when compared to Exum in this regard.

Exum is pretty good when it comes to getting steals, his length projects to being a good defender and unlike Jabari he doesn't have conditioning issues. Contrary to you saying that Parker has the tools to be a defender, many people have remarked that he really doesn't. He's not quick enough laterally. I'm not sure shedding his fat will make much of a difference and his lack of commitment at this point doesn't suggest that he will become a decent defender in the NBA.

The only reason we never got to see Exum in the NCAA was because of the inverse Australian seasons. He wanted to attend and play "relevant" games but he's been projected top 5 now. So why would he pass up the opportunity, when his coach and agent told him that it was time to enter the draft?

FIBA competition and a national high school championship (even if "it's in Australia") aren't anything to scoff at.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

to remind people that he hasn't done ANYTHING to justify a #1 overall pick.... except be big and have some catlike movements.

So who did justify doing enough to get picked first overall?

Wiggins numbers were very good... for a Freshman. He disappeared in big games and struggled at times.
Parker's numbers were very good... for a Freshman, though his defense was horrendous and he struggled at times.
Exum didn't play in the US and isn't as proven against as high of a level of competition...

The draft isn't like it used to be where you are picking a bunch of guys who stayed in for four years. You are taking guys based on what they project to be, not what they already are. Is that not common knowledge?

now were on the same page. I get the top 4 guys in this draft are all being projected. none is really a cant miss prospect but all have some real exciting upside... and that includes embiid. I was excited to bring him in and look him over.... put him in some workouts.... put the microscope on him.

but now?

im just saying if it comes down to picking one, and we will have a choice of 3 on that list. then lets pick the guy who is healthy and actually ok with being here. drafting a guy off that list who wont work out for us is insane. if hes that much better than the others than lets flip him and his risky malcontent ass for a better package.

im not suggesting something crazy here. im just sick of headcases in here.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

exum had that one tournament and the jamboree game. and they were both on tv. quit calling him unknown all you exum haters.

I wish we passed on Giannis for Shane Larkin because he didn't have enough nationally televised games. Oh wait....

work bismack biyombo or darko into your comment and it will carry more weight.

[breakchains]

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Mannix mock - Embiid #2

[Diggr14]

Embiid and Parker had the most success in college from my PoV.

All this stuff about Exum not proving it in college is a little weird. He has done pretty well on the international stage. Wiggins didn't exactly light up college and in his last tournament game scored all of... 4 points. Too many of you are crazy about his athleticism. He isn't that killer scorer that you'd hope he'd be in college, I doubt he translates into that kind of 25-28ppg player that you'd really want to land with the #1 billing in a draft like this.

I really am just as comfortable with drafting Exum in a trade down and acquiring another pick as I would be standing pat and drafting Wiggins, Parker, or Embiid at 2. There is so much known about Exum, he is not an unproven commodity. He has been scouted thoroughly for 2+ years. I would love to couple him, Giannis, and say McBuckets or Stauskas together....

[theFireBlanket]

Embiid and Parker had the most success in college from my PoV.

All this stuff about Exum not proving it in college is a little weird. He has done pretty well on the international stage. Wiggins didn't exactly light up college and in his last tournament game scored all of... 4 points. Too many of you are crazy about his athleticism. He isn't that killer scorer that you'd hope he'd be in college, I doubt he translates into that kind of 25-28ppg player that you'd really want to land with the #1 billing in a draft like this.

I really am just as comfortable with drafting Exum in a trade down and acquiring another pick as I would be standing pat and drafting Wiggins, Parker, or Embiid at 2. There is so much known about Exum, he is not an unproven commodity. He has been scouted thoroughly for 2+ years. I would love to couple him, Giannis, and say McBuckets or Stauskas together....

If the Bucks want Exum, they're taking him at 2. Philly and Orlando can't be trusted to pass on him.

[76ersxMVP]

I think the Bucks will select Wiggins at 2.

[El Duderino]

Oh boy. "The resume, skills and mind". Winning a national high school championship, apparently signifies nothing. Whereas Parker struggled to help his team win at his level, when the tournament rolled around. Both of these players are skilled. The difference is that Parker's skills really only translate on one side of the ball, like Embiid and Wiggins, Exum is a two way player. Mind? Again, Exum has a high basketball IQ.

He's a mystery to you and shills in the national media that consider themselves experts but don't bother examining basketball outside of the NCAA scope. He's not a mystery to the scouts who've watched, apparently including Hammond who will be making this year's selection and he's got him high on his board according to Ford.

The connotation of bust that Exum is more likely to be is the figurative rack that feeds and nourishes this franchise's future success. Deal with it.

Parker has a mature game that has a better chance at translating to the NBA imo, his deficiencies get more scrutiny because he's played more relevant basketball. If Exum had played college ball then those question marks you guys find so inane now would become much more evident. We learned a lot about Parker and Wiggins in their one year of college basketball, people were higher on them as high schoolers it seems. At least that's how it was on this board. Is Exum some defensive phenom or do people like his potential there because of his combination of his size and quickness? Parker has the intagibles to be a fine defender in the NBA, size/athleticism/strength/IQ. Will he put it together? Maybe, maybe not but I think the fact that he has actually played relevant basketball is being held against him when compared to Exum in this regard.

Exum is very likely going to be drafted in the top 3 to 5 in a very deep draft. Do you really think scouts of all of those teams picking in that range aren't going to try picking apart and examining every aspect of his game just as they'll do with Parker, Wiggins, and Embiid? That instead of doing this, they'll just choose him so high on a whim because he's yet to play against college kids and thus those scout won't pick apart his skills as much?

Come on man, NBA scouts and GM's have been having to heavily scout kids overseas for 10-15 years at least. Kids who have been facing all kinds of different competition. This is exactly what scouts and GM's get paid to do. To look at young prospects whether facing college kids or playing overseas, and then having to evaluate just how well they feel those kid's games will translate to the NBA, especially since most of the better talents today tend to only be in that 19-21 year old range.

Exum is being rated so highly not because people who have evaluated him closely didn't pick apart his skills much since he didn't play NCAA basketball, it's because they feel his skills will translate well to the NBA as he matures, just like any major prospect. It's that simple

[Diggr14]

Embiid and Parker had the most success in college from my PoV.

All this stuff about Exum not proving it in college is a little weird. He has done pretty well on the international stage. Wiggins didn't exactly light up college and in his last tournament game scored all of... 4 points. Too many of you are crazy about his athleticism. He isn't that killer scorer that you'd hope he'd be in college, I doubt he translates into that kind of 25-28ppg player that you'd really want to land with the #1 billing in a draft like this.

I really am just as comfortable with drafting Exum in a trade down and acquiring another pick as I would be standing pat and drafting Wiggins, Parker, or Embiid at 2. There is so much known about Exum, he is not an unproven commodity. He has been scouted thoroughly for 2+ years. I would love to couple him, Giannis, and say McBuckets or Stauskas together....

If the Bucks want Exum, they're taking him at 2. Philly and Orlando can't be trusted to pass on him.

If they pick Exum after we trade with them, so be it. Give me one of Wiggins, Parker, Embiid plus another pick in the lottery.. im good.

Assett Acquisition. This is what they said they are preaching, let's do it for once. I see no downside trading with Philly or Orlando, they will draft to fit needs... we have needs at all 5 positions, we can pretty much take any of these 4 guys and be perfectly content with it, adding another lotto pick is and should be the main goal. Stauskas or McBuckets. Guys that can score the rock, and are proven doing so.. plus are athletic and shoot with efficiency, not pure volume. Trade down, let Philly and Orlando give us assets and take who falls + another quality block.

[Diggr14]

That being said, Larry Sanders could net us a late lottery selection. If we somehow ended with embiid after trading down, you need to move Sanders immediately for either a late lotto in this draft or a top 3 protected 1st in the next.