Draft Exum at #2?

[eagle13]

I'm sure Orlando would give you #4 +#12 + Harris for #2 + Knight
I'm sure Jazz would give you #5 + #23 + 35 + Trey Burke for #2 + Knight ( they want Parker badly)
Could even see Philly if they want Wiggins badly enough #2 + Sanders for #3 + #10 and Thad Young then do Jazz deal.
But if you could get Wiggins @ #2 would.

ORL=no
UT=Maybe
PHIL=stupid leaves us w/o a 5

[shaolin34]

If Clev takes Embiid first and we really like Exum, I'd try to work something out with ORL. Wonder if ORL would give up Exum and Harkless for Wiggins.

For me to trade down to #4 and pass on either Embiid or Wiggins, it would take Oladipo coming our way. Something like Exum/Oladipo for Wiggins/Henson. I could see Orlando not being on board with that, but that's what it would take from my perspective.

[Zeezprah]

this quantity over quality trades just make me cringe. why the hell would we want a bunch of crap thrown together for #2? i don't want late firsts and average young players whose contracts are almost up or crappy ones like trey burke.

[TroyD92]

I can't believe any of you are even entertaining some of these ideas. Utah especially. I have 0 interest in that trade.

[Profound23]

I can't believe any of you are even entertaining some of these ideas. Utah especially. I have 0 interest in that trade.

Agreed, especially about the Utah move.

I am saying if the Bucks are considering Exum, then they better trade down to 4. Drafting Exum at #2 would be very sad. Even if he is the best player, the other teams want Embiid/Wiggins/Parker, so you trade down and acquire assets.

[Licensed to Il]

I can't believe any of you are even entertaining some of these ideas. Utah especially. I have 0 interest in that trade.

Some people mistakenly carry NFL Draft type strategies in to the NBA draft. IMO the only defensible top of the draft (NBA) type trade is when your top guy is simply not going to come off the board until a spot or two later. The classic example is when Orlando traded Chris Webber because they wanted Penny Hardaway all along. If you are certain you are getting the best player, and can pick up additional assets, then so be it. I would deal down to #3 and #10 from Philly if they wanted Wiggins and Parker was #2 on my board. I would never, nor should anyone, move out of a tier for the sake of a lesser player and additional (lesser) assets.

[drew881]

I think Orlando is totally content with Exum at 4. I know you don't draft for fit, but he is perfect there alongside Oladipo, Harkless, Tobes, Vucevic.

[Zeezprah]

I can't believe any of you are even entertaining some of these ideas. Utah especially. I have 0 interest in that trade.

Some people mistakenly carry NFL Draft type strategies in to the NBA draft. IMO the only defensible top of the draft (NBA) type trade is when your top guy is simply not going to come off the board until a spot or two later. The classic example is when Orlando traded Chris Webber because they wanted Penny Hardaway all along. If you are certain you are getting the best player, and can pick up additional assets, then so be it. I would deal down to #3 and #10 from Philly if they wanted Wiggins and Parker was #2 on my board. I would never, nor should anyone, move out of a tier for the sake of a lesser player and additional (lesser) assets.

exactly. this isn't the nfl draft.

i see people on here all the time saying "just package all our 2nds and move up". no one wants to do that crap.. that's not how it works. roster spots are limited.

we need stars on this team, not average players. we'd prolly be the last team next to philadelphia wanting to move back.

[JayMKE]

I think Orlando is totally content with Exum at 4. I know you don't draft for fit, but he is perfect there alongside Oladipo, Harkless, Tobes, Vucevic.

not a lot of shooting

[Licensed to Il]

exactly. this isn't the nfl draft.

i see people on here all the time saying "just package all our 2nds and move up". no one wants to do that crap.. that's not how it works. roster spots are limited.

we need stars on this team, not average players. we'd prolly be the last team next to philadelphia wanting to move back.

I generally agree, except there is precedence (in past years) for a team in the back half of the first round wanting to swap back in to the second. If a team (like say OKC) has an owner that is adamant about not paying the luxury tax, they can avoid wasting a mandatory salary spot on an end of the first rounder who might not ever play their way in to a great rotation. A lot of stacked playoff teams would rather take a flyer on a second rounder (who has a non guaranteed salary slot) and wait to see what they got.

Unfortunately, with the salary cap going up a little more than expected this year, teams will have more cap room than they had planned for and this potentially devalues the value of the first pick in the second round.

Cap issues aside, I do agree with your premise that no one would want the #31 and #35 because they would rather have two shots at a good player than they would by just taking the guy on top of their board at #24.

[Zeezprah]

exactly. this isn't the nfl draft.

i see people on here all the time saying "just package all our 2nds and move up". no one wants to do that crap.. that's not how it works. roster spots are limited.

we need stars on this team, not average players. we'd prolly be the last team next to philadelphia wanting to move back.

I generally agree, except there is precedence (in past years) for a team in the back half of the first round wanting to swap back in to the second. If a team (like say OKC) has an owner that is adamant about not paying the luxury tax, they can avoid wasting a mandatory salary spot on an end of the first rounder who might not ever play their way in to a great rotation. A lot of stacked playoff teams would rather take a flyer on a second rounder (who has a non guaranteed salary slot) and wait to see what they got.

Unfortunately, with the salary cap going up a little more than expected this year, teams will have more cap room than they had planned for and this potentially devalues the value of the first pick in the second round.

Cap issues aside, I do agree with your premise that no one would want the #31 and #35 because they would rather have two shots at a good player than they would by just taking the guy on top of their board at #24.

and even if a team doesn't want the guaranteed contract of a 1st rounder, it's usually a simple late first for early second + cash considerations. i can't even recall the last time a team has packaged 2nds to "move up". it just doesn't work that way.

2nd rounders in the nba draft are almost lottery tickets.

[Profound23]

If you could find teams who want to unload their 1sts to save money and avoid the luxury tax, I trade each pick and cash to move into the first. I then have anywhere between 2-4 firsts (including my own) that I could trade with players to move up very high in the draft.

Improbable, but it would be something I would be trying to pull of as a GM. The owner would be able to make a big story and show how committed to winning they are.

[drew881]

I think Orlando is totally content with Exum at 4. I know you don't draft for fit, but he is perfect there alongside Oladipo, Harkless, Tobes, Vucevic.

not a lot of shooting

Well, they have Afflalo too.

[drew881]

If you could find teams who want to unload their 1sts to save money and avoid the luxury tax, I trade each pick and cash to move into the first. I then have anywhere between 2-4 firsts (including my own) that I could trade with players to move up very high in the draft.

Improbable, but it would be something I would be trying to pull of as a GM. The owner would be able to make a big story and show how committed to winning they are.

That buying a first seems to be more a thing of the past, no? When was the last time it happened? If I am a team near the luxury tax and have anyone even close to being amnesty worthy, I do that and keep this pick. Especially in this draft.

[BucsGatorsMagic]

I'm sure Orlando would give you #4 +#12 + Harris for #2 + Knight
I'm sure Jazz would give you #5 + #23 + 35 + Trey Burke for #2 + Knight ( they want Parker badly)
Could even see Philly if they want Wiggins badly enough #2 + Sanders for #3 + #10 and Thad Young then do Jazz deal.
But if you could get Wiggins @ #2 would.

No way we give up Tobias and 12 for a 2 pick upgrade and a non pg in knight when we have oladipo and afflalo.

[Smooth_E]

#2 and Henson for #4, Harkless, conditional future 1st.

[White+Purple]

#2 and Hahahahaha for #4, Hahahahahahaha conditlololololololololol future 1st.

[Smooth_E]

#2 and Hahahahaha for #4, Hahahahahahaha conditlololololololololol future 1st.

Classic low-ball. I wanted to see if anyone would take the bait.

[Ruben Douglas]

Not sure why people would want a playmaking PG when you have nobody that can score on the team or finish off the plays he is making? Bucks need a scorer.

[Zeezprah]

#2 and Hahahahaha for #4, Hahahahahahaha conditlololololololololol future 1st.

Classic low-ball. I wanted to see if anyone would take the bait.

we'd be getting absolutely pwned royally