Free Agency Thread -David West to Spurs for free

[Sherman Douglas]

Are we anti-Greg Monroe, remind me.

Most will probably say yes, I think he's fine.

[Bernman]

Trying to make more sense of yesterday's events....

Could our biggest attempt at a fa move really be signing one of the shorter term name sg's with local ties like Wade or Butler, while just letting Middleton go or s&t'ing him for the most we can get? Then their plan could be Vaughn steps in place of them in 2-3 years when he's 21-22. I think especially Wade would make sense with that idea because there's little chance he'd be a viable starter beyond that and theoretically he fits in lineups with Vasquez who can share ball-handling duties, guard 2's, and shoot off the ball some.

I don't think yesterday's events, barring future ones, inkle a pursuit of a center much. We still have all 3 of our centers in Henson, Zaza, and Plumlee. We didn't move any yet. That more than covers us from a #'s perspective, especially with the small ball trend. We'd probably have to move one to make Chandler or Rolo part of the plan too. Could have in part drafted Vaughn as a solid to Schwartz to improve our chances of landing Chandler. But then Middleton would need to be s&t'ed for Wade/Butler if you're going to try and add both.

[On_Wisconsin]

If we do actually get a meeting with Jordan I absolutely believe we have a chance. Getting out of the west has to be a huge selling point along with the idea that he will be the leader vs it being CP3

[On_Wisconsin]

Trying to make more sense of yesterday's events....

Could our biggest attempt at a fa move really be signing one of the shorter term name sg's with local ties like Wade or Butler, while just letting Middleton go or s&t'ing him for the most we can get? Then their plan could be Vaughn steps in place of them in 2-3 years when he's 21-22. I think especially Wade would make sense with that idea because there's little chance he'd be a viable starter beyond that and theoretically he fits in lineups with Vasquez who can share ball-handling duties, guard 2's, and shoot off the ball some.

I don't think yesterday's events, barring future ones, inkle a pursuit of a center much. We still have all 3 of our centers in Henson, Zaza, and Plumlee. We didn't move any yet. That more than covers us from a #'s perspective, especially with the small ball trend. We'd probably have to move one to make Chandler or Rolo part of the plan too. Could have in part drafted Vaughn as a solid to Schwartz to improve our chances of landing Chandler. But then Middleton would need to be s&t'ed for Wade/Butler if you're going to try and add both.

I don't think we have to worry about losing Middleton. He helps us win now just as much as Wade and obviously more-so in the future

[Baddy Chuck]

Are we anti-Greg Monroe, remind me.

I think he'd fit fine with what Kidd does but I think for a max(?) contract he's a very low impact player.

[Bernman]

I don't think we have to worry about losing Middleton. He helps us win now just as much as Wade and obviously more-so in the future

Maybe, maybe not to the first part. It's in the eye of the beholder.

Definitely to the 2nd part.

But with Wade, PP and I have discussed how important it could be for the political aspect when it comes to winning the arena vote, and being willing to simply re-sign Middleton at whatever the cost doesn't make any more sense of the Vaughn drafting nor the otherwise completely inexplicable Vasquez for cap space and multiple minor assets trade.

[xTitan]

Trying to make more sense of yesterday's events....

Could our biggest attempt at a fa move really be signing one of the shorter term name sg's with local ties like Wade or Butler, while just letting Middleton go or s&t'ing him for the most we can get? Then their plan could be Vaughn steps in place of them in 2-3 years when he's 21-22. I think especially Wade would make sense with that idea because there's little chance he'd be a viable starter beyond that and theoretically he fits in lineups with Vasquez who can share ball-handling duties, guard 2's, and shoot off the ball some.

I don't think yesterday's events, barring future ones, inkle a pursuit of a center much. We still have all 3 of our centers in Henson, Zaza, and Plumlee. We didn't move any yet. That more than covers us from a #'s perspective, especially with the small ball trend. We'd probably have to move one to make Chandler or Rolo part of the plan too. Could have in part drafted Vaughn as a solid to Schwartz to improve our chances of landing Chandler. But then Middleton would need to be s&t'ed for Wade/Butler if you're going to try and add both.

Exactly why I see a plumlee for splitter deal, gives San Antonio about $6mm in cap space, which they badly need.

Bucks will get the tires on Jordan, Kanter, maybe someone else, it's good PR if nothing else....but someone like splitter makes more sense.

[LUKE23]

Think you are overthinking it Bern. I expect Middleton back and Lopez, Lopez, or Chandler signed. I'll be shocked if Mids isn't a Buck next year.

[On_Wisconsin]

I don't think we have to worry about losing Middleton. He helps us win now just as much as Wade and obviously more-so in the future

Maybe, maybe not to the first part. It's in the eye of the beholder.

Definitely to the 2nd part.

But with Wade, PP and I have discussed how important it could be for the political aspect when it comes to winning the arena vote, and being willing to simply re-sign Middleton at whatever the cost doesn't make any more sense of the Vaughn drafting nor the otherwise completely inexplicable Vasquez for cap space and multiple minor assets trade.

Isn't the vote on the arena going to be before or soon after July 1? We have until after that to actually sign Wade. Is the mere idea that we are pursuing Wade enough?

I think drafting Vaughn as a Mayo replacement with the idea he might be Jamal Crawford-ish off the bench makes sense. Vasquez I'm less sure on but maybe we wanted size at PG? He can shoot and pass so its's not all bad but it's not a move I get right now.

[Insomniaac]

Trying to make more sense of yesterday's events....

Could our biggest attempt at a fa move really be signing one of the shorter term name sg's with local ties like Wade or Butler, while just letting Middleton go or s&t'ing him for the most we can get? Then their plan could be Vaughn steps in place of them in 2-3 years when he's 21-22. I think especially Wade would make sense with that idea because there's little chance he'd be a viable starter beyond that and theoretically he fits in lineups with Vasquez who can share ball-handling duties, guard 2's, and shoot off the ball some.

I don't think yesterday's events, barring future ones, inkle a pursuit of a center much. We still have all 3 of our centers in Henson, Zaza, and Plumlee. We didn't move any yet. That more than covers us from a #'s perspective, especially with the small ball trend. We'd probably have to move one to make Chandler or Rolo part of the plan too. Could have in part drafted Vaughn as a solid to Schwartz to improve our chances of landing Chandler. But then Middleton would need to be s&t'ed for Wade/Butler if you're going to try and add both.

I don't really understand your reasoning. Are you assuming Vaughn is already penciled in as the long-term starter at SG? I would be extremely surprised if that was the case. And if we signed Butler for some reason I don't think we would intend to get rid of him in 2-3 years. I can see the political aspect of a DWade signing but it would be horrific from a basketball standpoint, MCW/Wade/Jabari/Giannis/C might be the worst starting five in the league when it comes to shooting. Nothing that happened yesterday makes me think we don't intend to keep Middleton.

[Bernman]

Think you are overthinking it Bern. I expect Middleton back and Lopez, Lopez, or Chandler signed. I'll be shocked if Mids isn't a Buck next year.

I try to eventually operate under the belief most people are reasonable, and so there is a logical thought process behind what they do, even if it may be wrong. I don't know, maybe I shouldn't operate under that belief, but with Kohl gone I thought it was warranted for a while.

By itself, or with Chandler or Lopez/Middleton, the Vasquez trade doesn't make sense. Vaughn makes a little sense, but it only adds to the confusion if Middleton is back. So that's where I'm at right now. Hoping and half expecting there is some kind of Chip Kelly revelation at the end here where I get where they were going with this.

[breakchains]

I think they just liked Vasquez and made the common short sightedness mistake you often see when coaches get involved in personnel matters. I do think we are going to go hard after Jordan, Lopez, Chandler, and Monroe, and if we strike out on them, maybe Koufos or O'Quinn.

[VooDoo7]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say, again...f*ck off, Larry.

[Bernman]

I don't really understand your reasoning. Are you assuming Vaughn is already penciled in as the long-term starter at SG? I would be extremely surprised if that was the case. And if we signed Butler for some reason I don't think we would intend to get rid of him in 2-3 years. I can see the political aspect of a DWade signing but it would be horrific from a basketball standpoint, MCW/Wade/Jabari/Giannis/C might be the worst starting five in the league when it comes to shooting. Nothing that happened yesterday makes me think we don't intend to keep Middleton.

Penciling a mid 1st with a lot of depth in that range of this particular draft is odd to me. It would be odd in any draft, unless you're a contending or team loaded w/ prospect 1-5, which we aren't.

With Butler, we wouldn't intend to get rid of him in 2-3 years. But he said he's only signing a deal for that long so he can take advantage of the tv deal. So like it or not we would be at serious risk of losing him at that point.

With Wade, like I said they'd have Vasquez, Jabari's status for this particular year is kind of up in the air, and they could sign Amir Johnson or someone like that. Wade can shoot well out to 20. Odd that he nor Melo never extend it out a couple more feet. Then you got Mayo, Dudley, Bayless, and Vaughn to mix in. Spacing could be adequate to decent with the team. It is still a concern. But the prospect of landing D-WADE! might be too tantalizing to be an overriding one.

[Licensed to Il]

I still think any front office interest in Brook Lopez is bogus. Hammond could have drafted him and didn't, could have landed him in a trade for Ersan and a guy that we already knew was troubled (Larry). Then factor in our other GM (Kidd) preferred to not play him (I know he was injured, but still..) and lobbied to have him traded for a floor spacer and a rim protector (two things Lopez is not). Im still shocked one tweet has everyone here buying in to Brook Lopez. gross.

[tydett]

I dunno, Gery said the Bucks have no plans for Jordan, so a signing must be imminent.

[Insomniaac]

I don't really understand your reasoning. Are you assuming Vaughn is already penciled in as the long-term starter at SG? I would be extremely surprised if that was the case. And if we signed Butler for some reason I don't think we would intend to get rid of him in 2-3 years. I can see the political aspect of a DWade signing but it would be horrific from a basketball standpoint, MCW/Wade/Jabari/Giannis/C might be the worst starting five in the league when it comes to shooting. Nothing that happened yesterday makes me think we don't intend to keep Middleton.

Penciling a mid 1st with a lot of depth in that range of this particular draft is odd to me. It would be odd in any draft, unless you're a contending or team loaded w/ prospect 1-5, which we aren't.

With Butler, we wouldn't intend to get rid of him in 2-3 years. But he said he's only signing a deal for that long so he can take advantage of the tv deal. So like it or not we would be at serious risk of losing him at that point.

With Wade, like I said they'd have Vasquez, Jabari's status for this particular year is kind of up in the air, and they could sign Amir Johnson or someone like that. Wade can shoot well out to 20. Odd that he nor Melo never extend it out a couple more feet. Then you got Mayo, Dudley, Bayless, and Vaughn to mix in. Spacing could be adequate to decent with the team. It is still a concern. But the prospect of landing D-WADE! might be too tantalizing to be an overriding one.

If we intend to sign a C and keep Middleton we're set 2-4 with decent 1 and hopefully 5 for the time being. Maybe they hope Vaughn ends up a stud but I don't think they'd rely on that to the point where they let Middleton go. I guess I just assumed they see Vaughn more likely being a Mayo/sixth-man sort of player, which is not a bad piece to pick up at #17 in an NBA draft. I really, really hope they have no interest in Wade.

[eagle13]

Greg Monroe would be the best fit for the Bucks. He is 25 years old. He scores, rebounds, blocks a few shots, is decent passer. Also he can actually play in crunch time as he has a better free throw % than most centers, doesn't foul excessively or turn the ball over a lot. And if Kidd can get Zaza to be reasonably effective on D then he'll get at least adequate D from Monroe. Will it happen? I won't rule it out. But apparently New York is very interested.

Monroe = Yes. Even for the max.
Jordan = Interested. For max? Possibly.
Chandler = OK. For 3 yrs with descending salary 12mil-11-10mil
Brook = maybe. For max = Nope.
Robin = Yes but I wouldn't pay more than $11mi/yr.
Kanter = Yes - hey if a guy can really score and really rebound I'll accept mediocre D as long as he gives an effort.
Asik = Sure for right price. Plays D and rebounds.
Koufos = Yes - for the right price.
KOQ = yes for the right price
Ajinca = maybe for backup
Aldrich = Yes as backup = has better stats than Koufos, KOQ Ajinca.

[nmeurett]

Are we really relying on anything Woeful says lol... If he says we have no meeting with Jordan he is actually probably a lock to sign with us!

[xTitan]

Greg Monroe would be the best fit for the Bucks. He is 25 years old. He scores, rebounds, blocks a few shots, is decent passer. Also he can actually play in crunch time as he has a better free throw % than most centers, doesn't foul excessively or turn the ball over a lot. And if Kidd can get Zaza to be reasonably effective on D then he'll get at least adequate D from Monroe. Will it happen? I won't rule it out. But apparently New York is very interested.

Monroe = Yes. Even for the max.
Jordan = Interested. For max? Possibly.
Chandler = OK. For 3 yrs with descending salary 12mil-11-10mil
Brook = maybe. For max = Nope.
Robin = Yes but I wouldn't pay more than $11mi/yr.
Kanter = Yes - hey if a guy can really score and really rebound I'll accept mediocre D as long as he gives an effort.
Asik = Sure for right price. Plays D and rebounds.
Koufos = Yes - for the right price.
KOQ = yes for the right price
Ajinca = maybe for backup
Aldrich = Yes as backup = has better stats than Koufos, KOQ Ajinca.

3 years toe Chandler? Chandler is already in decline, clogs up the land on offense....that is a pretty crappy list...might just ride with the 3 the bucks have, find a vet stretch 4