PG Thread (OKC) - National TV huh? Welp cya later!

[paulpressey25]

https://cleaningtheglass.com/do-the-bucks-stop-here/

this is an awesome article on our defense btw

Please start a separate thread on this article. Long and rambling but very relevant.

[Prince12]

Everyone who has Snapchat do yourself a favour and watch the bucks story right now. Beas is one crazy **** hahahah.

[Buck Dweller]

Everyone who has Snapchat do yourself a favour and watch the bucks story right now. Beas is one crazy **** hahahah.

lol he needs to take over the bucks snapchat

[crkone]

I think you have been very consistent in this messaging and while at one point I didn't agree that was our biggest problem, given all the changes in our roster and minutes, that problem seems to remain and the defense is as bad as ever. I think I will concede you appear to be right on this one.


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I'm not saying to not scrap the defense. It should go because it requires too much communication on the court and one missed rotation screws everything up. We just need Thon to get good quick, get PP's mancrush in Robin Lopez or another decent team defender, or find guards who can stay in front of their men or fight through screens effectively to make substantial improvements. The problems we are seeing with most of these guys on defense have always been issues for them, with Kidd, with another coach, or on different teams. I guess a better developmental defensive coach also will help but that guy will need to be amazing.

[Pachinko_]

Ok,i watch many Nba games,not only the Bucks,this leauge is full of players who can shoot 3s off the dribble,we are the only one without ,actually only Khris can do that but i don't know why he is not doing it,one reason is for sure Kidd.
I watched the Kings yesterday,not a great team for sure but still..their bigs were setting great screens and their guards were taking advantage off with good jumpers and 3s,why i must watch all the time someone trying to find Monroe,why i need to see Giannis hesitate all the time.why we need Snell?

Bring Teodosic or De colo,i don't care if you watched him and you believe he is not good,now he is a much better player ,don't tell me they are playing in Europe,Snell in Europe still cannot pass or dribble the ball,both are twice the players Snell is,we need players who can create,who can shoot off the dribble.,players who can score a difficult basket when we need it

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Teodosic-Brogdon-Khris-Giannis are perfect together,a good atcletic big is what they need,you can call him Thon or what ever.Giannis must run the offence after the reb and try to attack the basket or find one of them open,if he can't he must pass the ball to Brogdon ,Teodosic or Khris and move his ass close to the basket,if you are open they would find you if not they can take the shot and make the basket.

**** the iso with Monroe basketball.

I don't follow euro basketball at all really, but if I was a GM, I would CONSTANTLY be filling my roster out with international players. They are like draft picks that you don't have to develop and generally come over on a very fair contacts. Some will not outproduce their pay, but I think more often than not they will if you did your homework on the right guys.

both these two would get torched in D.
Snell trying to stay with Schroder or Wall or even Westbrook is something you can live with. Teodosic trying to do the same is something that would make you laugh for days :D:D

[har13]

both these two would get torched in D.
Snell trying to stay with Schroder or Wall or even Westbrook is something you can live with. Teodosic trying to do the same is something that would make you laugh for days :D:D

If your C is Monroe then yes,we need a big man Pachinko,he is not Isaiah Thomas...if you can't play good D with Brogdon-Khris-Giannis and a good D Center then **** me man....and you said nothing about the O.. .
You know i don't like the guy,i'm Pana and you know what he did to Diamantidi and Fotsi..he is a bitch but he is the best guard in Europe,next year he will be in the Nba,we shall see...

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And some Pick and roll action for our friend Aussiebuck ...from Teo and Itoudis with love .. (watch how the players move and ask yourselfs about Jason )

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[Pachinko_]

both these two would get torched in D.
Snell trying to stay with Schroder or Wall or even Westbrook is something you can live with. Teodosic trying to do the same is something that would make you laugh for days :D:D

If your C is Monroe then yes,we need a big man Pachinko,he is not Isaiah Thomas...if you can't play good D with Brogdon-Khris-Giannis and a good D Center then **** me man....and you said nothing about the O.. .
You know i don't like the guy,i'm Pana and you know what he did to Diamantidi and Fotsi..he is a bitch but he is the best guard in Europe,next year he will be in the Nba,we shall see...

Well I've said before, putting Teodosic in the NBA especially at that age would be a mistake. He's a virtuoso, he needs a team built around him in a certain way that is not very common in the NBA, which takes years, which he doesnt have. And he would also need to beef up his D and maximise his conditioning to survive at the other end, which would also take a long time, which he doesnt have.

If we ever find a good rim protector we can have that discussion again. But considering how much and how many times we've screwed up that position I'm not holding my breath.

[M-C-G]

Don't misconstrue my point, I'm not saying fill your entire roster or starting line up with these guys, I am saying fill out the back end of your roster with them and guys you can find roles for and and can help you win in various ways.


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[Baddy Chuck]

Bucks were linked to de Colo before this season.

[Prickle]

I can excuse one terri-bad game like this down the stretch. The losses against Dallas and Chicago were basically only because both teams just couldn't miss in the 2nd half. It happens.

But Middleton needs to stop playing like he's mid-2000s Kobe when his 3-ball isn't falling. He's been garbage and if he doesn't pull himself out of it before the playoffs, we have no shot of winning a series against any of the top-4 seeds.

When KM came back from injury, his main focus was to help the team compete anyway he could, even if playing second fiddle to some of our other scorers (a la Draymond Green). This approach worked and the team prospered from it. Now it seems as if KM bought too much into his hype and believes he's the alpha male on this squad. Even his defensive prowess has dropped as he's concentrated all his efforts on breaking out of his shooting slump. Last 7 games he's shooting 38% from the floor (30% from 3). Those numbers aren't horrible, but it seems that way, especially of we exclude the Boston and Detroit games where he shot well. In the other 5 matches where we lost 3 times, he's averaging 29%/15% from the floor & 3's.

I don't know if I would take it as far as you did aka "buying into his own hype" but he has certainly tried taking the lead role instead of being "super Snell" and it makes us worse. I feel pretty confident about that, because we have four guys standing around why he spends 10 seconds trying to back down a guy for turn around jumper or half hook in the paint. Basically the opposite of Kidd's "share the ball" philosophy.

It's also saddening to see that Giannis just doesn't really create like we saw toward the end of last year and earlier this year...It is all really basic swing the ball, dribble hand off stuff now which makes me feel like we are grossly under utilizing him when Midds goes into the man mode.

It should be obvious to everyone by now, that when the Bucks share and move the ball, their offense has success. Matter of fact, this is really the only time they experience sustained offensive success. To their credit, I do think they come into games with the right mentality, but it seems that at the first sign of adversity, they always revert back to ISO "me" ball instead of unselfish team ball. Maybe the players themselves don't realize it, but it's a night and day difference to everyone watching. There is not a single player on this team that plays better in ISO than they do within the flow of the "share the ball" system, including Midds and Giannis.

Veteran teams do not panic, but instead trust the system that got them there. The Bucks, however, do seem to unnecessarily panic at times, and in turn, lose track of their identity. I'm guessing this is just due to immaturity, and all part of the "learning how to win" process. The Jekyll and Hyde nature of this team is definitely frustrating, but I think it's all part of the inevitable growing pains.

[Prickle]

I know that this was a schedule loss and that the team has the right of a bad game but this was awful.

Nope. Sorry, this is just a pet peeve of mine. How was this a schedule loss? This wasn't the back end of a B2B, nor was it a long trip out west. The Bucks were playing their best basketball of the year; were the hottest team in the league; were fighting for the playoffs; and were playing against a team they had already beaten this year. I'm not a fan of excuses. The REASON the Bucks lost this game was because they weren't ready to play, and got their asses kicked by a team who was.

[har13]

It should be obvious to everyone by now, that when the Bucks share and move the ball, their offense has success. Matter of fact, this is really the only time they experience sustained offensive success. To their credit, I do think they come into games with the right mentality, but it seems that at the first sign of adversity, they always revert back to ISO "me" ball instead of unselfish team ball. Maybe the players themselves don't realize it, but it's a night and day difference to everyone watching. There is not a single player on this team that plays better in ISO than they do within the flow of the "share the ball" system, including Midds and Giannis.

Veteran teams do not panic, but instead trust the system that got them there. The Bucks, however, do seem to unnecessarily panic at times, and in turn, lose track of their identity. I'm guessing this is just due to immaturity, and all part of the "learning how to win" process. The Jekyll and Hyde nature of this team is definitely frustrating, but I think it's all part of the inevitable growing pains.

Sorry but don't you think this is what Kidd is telling them to do?I believe he is telling them to do it,i believe that Kidd is trying to control the O game and the players do what he is telling them to do,thats how i see it,thats why we see players execute the same play 3 or 4 times in a row,thats why we see them spend a lot of time trying to find a difficult pass inside and no one is moving,thats why we see Gianni most of the times when he returns in the second quarter left out in the O.

I'm not saying that they must never play like this,actually i believe they must sometimes when they find a mismatch but most of the times they force things,when Monroe is in i know, you know,the other teams know that they are going to give him the ball ,i know they are going to give him the ball even if other players are open or if they can take a wide open shot,i know this is the play i'm going to see for 3 or 4 times in a row,this is what i don't like.

Actually its not easy to "share the ball",the players must learn how to do it,the players must move and not sitting ,when i watch the games i see most of the time the PGs dribbling,Giannis dribble,Delly dribble,Brogdon dribble,Khris dribble,i can't understand why you say that teams mentality is to share the ball,you are saying that because Kidd after games is saying that we didn't share the ball?what he is doing to teach then how to do it, or you say that because in few games that happend?

He also saying don't fall in love with 3s,i get it and i'm not saying this is wrong thing to say but you need 3s,you sometimes need the player to take the wide open 3 even with time in the clock,they don't need to always try to find the easy points inside and end up with nothing.

I'm not fan of Kidd and i'm not objective but sorry if he likes his team to share the ball maybe he must teach them how to do it.