ATL - PG13 to Thunder

[Magic Giannison]

You do realise guys like Hayward and Paul George missed all NBA this year right

and Giannis made the top10.. and?

and you were projecting Jabari to be all nba level this year if not for his injuries?

With that logic Embiid isnt NBA level talent as well then ? What exactly Embiid has done over Jabari or any other star to be called franchise player ?

Wasnt Wiggins hyped as the next Lebron before he played ?Franchise player and a future superstar?

Wasnt Jabari as well before he played was hyped as hell and was for sure the franchise player? I remember that there was poll where people voted Jabari over Giannis before he even played.

Now tell me, why Simmons that got injured for 1 whole year before he even touched the NBA court is better than Middleton or Jabari ?
Okafor is joke and Sixers want to get rid of him, they even got rid of Noel who is a much better player.


People overhype the crap out of prospect and college basketball calling them stars and supers left and right for no reason.

[Magic Giannison]

Would the Bucks trade Giannis to the Celtics for #3, BKN 2018 1st, Sac/LAL 1st and Jaylen Brown?

No, you dont trade guys like Giannis, you build around them.Whats the point of getting assets when you already got the guy you're looking for ?

[Baddy Chuck]

With that logic Embiid isnt NBA level talent as well then ? What exactly Embiid has done over Jabari or any other star to be called franchise player ?

What has Embiid done that Jabari hasn't? To start (and end?) play like an All-NBA talent when he was on the court, albeit short.

[Baddy Chuck]

Would the Bucks trade Giannis to the Celtics for #3, BKN 2018 1st, Sac/LAL 1st and Jaylen Brown?

No, you dont trade guys like Giannis, you build around them.Whats the point of getting assets when you already got the guy you're looking for ?

Agreed.

[GFreak34]

Would the Bucks trade Giannis to the Celtics for #3, BKN 2018 1st, Sac/LAL 1st and Jaylen Brown?

No, you dont trade guys like Giannis, you build around them.Whats the point of getting assets when you already got the guy you're looking for ?

more assets?

I mean, this offers like 4 lottery players.. Josh Jackson, plus Jaylen plus two 1st lottery picks, BKN 2018 and Sac 2019

[Magic Giannison]

With that logic Embiid isnt NBA level talent as well then ? What exactly Embiid has done over Jabari or any other star to be called franchise player ?

What has Embiid done that Jabari hasn't? To start (and end?) play like an All-NBA talent when he was on the court, albeit short.

I dont think playing 33 games in 3 years with very limited minutes on extremely high usage . He was impressive yes but we need much more from him before we call him ALL NBA. We need to see how his production does with increased minutes ,how he deals with b2b games and being tired and so on.So far all we got is a glimpse and thats after he didn't play for 3 years.

Imo, we need much more before we can justify a player as a franchise one or All NBA .

Giannis is the perfect opposite , he came in and everyone said he was at best magic Randolph or AK47 then we he started to get minutes and produce and improved at insane rate. Granted that Giannis is a rare talent with extreme work ethic but that exactly is what makes these guys so rare and amazing.

[Magic Giannison]

Would the Bucks trade Giannis to the Celtics for #3, BKN 2018 1st, Sac/LAL 1st and Jaylen Brown?

No, you dont trade guys like Giannis, you build around them.Whats the point of getting assets when you already got the guy you're looking for ?

more assets?

I mean, this offers like 4 lottery players.. Josh Jackson, plus Jaylen plus two 1st lottery picks, BKN 2018 and Sac 2019

It doesn't matter, you can give me 20 firsts, noone of those guarantee me nothing. You can get many prospects but you dont trade guys like Giannis, never . The whole reason of people tanking is to get a chance of getting guys like him. After you get him you use the assets ( picks players ) in order to build around that guy and make your team better.

[GFreak34]

No, you dont trade guys like Giannis, you build around them.Whats the point of getting assets when you already got the guy you're looking for ?

more assets?

I mean, this offers like 4 lottery players.. Josh Jackson, plus Jaylen plus two 1st lottery picks, BKN 2018 and Sac 2019

It doesn't matter, you can give me 20 firsts, noone of those guarantee me nothing. You can get many prospects but you dont trade guys like Giannis, never . The whole reason of people tanking is to get a chance of getting guys like him. After you get him you use the assets ( picks players ) in order to build around that guy and make your team better.

true.. it would be tempting to Horst though.. having to pick multiple times a lotto lol

[Baddy Chuck]

With that logic Embiid isnt NBA level talent as well then ? What exactly Embiid has done over Jabari or any other star to be called franchise player ?

What has Embiid done that Jabari hasn't? To start (and end?) play like an All-NBA talent when he was on the court, albeit short.

I dont think playing 33 games in 3 years with very limited minutes on extremely high usage . He was impressive yes but we need much more from him before we call him ALL NBA. We need to see how his production does with increased minutes ,how he deals with b2b games and being tired and so on.So far all we got is a glimpse and thats after he didn't play for 3 years.

You asked what he's done that Jabari hasn't. Embiid for half a season was undoubtedly one of the top players in the entire NBA and during that time would have been a shoe in for All-NBA consideration. Jabari, and many, many other examples simply have never shown that ability. That is why a guy like Embiid is considered a franchise/All-NBA guy and someone like Jabari isn't. The same reason many of us were calling Giannis a franchise level talent after that run last year despite there only being a limited sample size when others were questioning it.

[GFreak34]

What has Embiid done that Jabari hasn't? To start (and end?) play like an All-NBA talent when he was on the court, albeit short.

I dont think playing 33 games in 3 years with very limited minutes on extremely high usage . He was impressive yes but we need much more from him before we call him ALL NBA. We need to see how his production does with increased minutes ,how he deals with b2b games and being tired and so on.So far all we got is a glimpse and thats after he didn't play for 3 years.

You asked what he's done that Jabari hasn't. Embiid for half a season was undoubtedly one of the top players in the entire NBA and during that time would have been a shoe in for All-NBA consideration. Jabari, and many, many other examples simply have never shown that ability. That is why a guy like Embiid is considered a franchise/All-NBA guy and someone like Jabari isn't. The same reason many of us were calling Giannis a franchise level talent after that run last year despite there only being a limited sample size when others were questioning it.

well, props to Hammond for passing on him lol.. in all fairness his injury prones always seemed to come up in every discussion about picking him. Fate has a funny sense of humor when it comes to teach you lessons

[Baddy Chuck]

Fate has a funny sense of humor when it comes to teach you lessons

As if this couldn't be said about Jabari who simply isn't as good as most believed when we drafted him on top of being injury prone???

[GFreak34]

Fate has a funny sense of humor when it comes to teach you lessons

As if this couldn't be said about Jabari who simply isn't as good as most believed when we drafted him on top of being injury prone???

i ve said it about Jabari m8.

[Baddy Chuck]

Fate has a funny sense of humor when it comes to teach you lessons

As if this couldn't be said about Jabari who simply isn't as good as most believed when we drafted him on top of being injury prone???

i ve said it about Jabari m8.

Then why are we using it to belittle Embiid while at the same time talking up Jabari the entire thread?

Oh right, the double standard between the Sixers/Giannis' team players, almost forgot.

[GFreak34]

As if this couldn't be said about Jabari who simply isn't as good as most believed when we drafted him on top of being injury prone???

i ve said it about Jabari m8.

Then why are we using it to belittle Embiid while at the same time talking up Jabari the entire thread?

Oh right, the double standard between the Sixers/Bucks players, almost forgot.

I m not belittling Embiid.. I wanted him over JP in the first place.. that is why i ve said that all that mumble about Embiid's injury prones - even though he was an absolute beast - came back to bite us.. and how fate has a strange sense of humor..

Embiid is a beast, no doubt.. but like Jabari, he s not reliable to count upon.. could be injured any time and that is something that builds upon - injury after injury.

CHILL about the double standard.. The Bucks have Giannis, the Sixers haven't.. That alone makes all the difference in the world.. As i said, Embiid, like Parker are almost done.. So, to speculate what if's is worthless - especially when you have the fact which is that Giannis is already an ALL NBA, top10 player and an All Star. That ends the Sixers/Bucks debate.

[Prez]

This is pretty easy for me. If Embiid doesn’t stay healthy, we probably have the edge. If he does somehow manage to stay healthy, their future utterly **** on ours and I don’t think it’s particularly close.

[GFreak34]

This is pretty easy for me. If Embiid doesn’t stay healthy, we probably have the edge. If he does somehow manage to stay healthy, their future utterly **** on ours and I don’t think it’s that close.

Because you think that a healthy Embiid is a better talent than Giannis?
If you do, shake your head, have a cold shower and come back.

and it's pretty easy too...

[Baddy Chuck]

So, to speculate what if's is worthless

Unless of course its a few years of arguing the guy of your nationality/on your favorite team is a superstar/franchise talent before he proved it, which was the case for Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks not too long ago.

[GFreak34]

So, to speculate what if's is worthless

Unless of course its a few years of arguing the guy of your nationality/on your favorite team is a superstar/franchise talent before he proved it, which was the case for Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks not too long ago.

So, you disagree that Giannis is a franchise generational player? sure i m not objective and so is every single analyst in the US who s not Greek.

[Prez]

This is pretty easy for me. If Embiid doesn’t stay healthy, we probably have the edge. If he does somehow manage to stay healthy, their future utterly **** on ours and I don’t think it’s that close.

Because you think that a healthy Embiid is a better talent than Giannis?
If you do, shake your head, have a cold shower and come back.

and it's pretty easy too...

A fully healthy Embiid is pretty clearly a Giannis level talent. Laughing at that just shows massive homerism (Giannis fanboying?)

Throw this on the GB or PC board for unbiased fans and see what you get. Ask them if they were guaranteed full health for Embiid, who they'd take between him and Giannis.

edit: I didn't mean that literally, don't start a **** storm on other boards.

[Baddy Chuck]

So, to speculate what if's is worthless

Unless of course its a few years of arguing the guy of your nationality/on your favorite team is a superstar/franchise talent before he proved it, which was the case for Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks not too long ago.

So, you disagree that Giannis is a franchise generational player? sure i m not objective and so is every single analyst in the US who s not Greek.

He most certainly is. And there most certainly was people arguing he was before he had even showed anything close to what Embiid has shown.