Bucks ownership: Lowe/Windhorst ESPN piece pg 5

[MadBlueEdwards]

Really hoping that this national attention is the wake-up call they need in order to get their sh*t together.

its going to get worse before it gets better.

Maybe, but it's been getting worse pretty rapidly lately. I'm going to hope this is the tipping point.

[humanrefutation]

Did Zanik **** Mallory or something? Edens must have really hated that man to go through all of this crap - potentially fracturing his relationship with his partners - to ensure he didn't get the job.

[ACGB]

It was a pipe dream to hope that these hedge fund alpha dog types were going to put their egos aside and let someone else run the show for them.

[imithanos]

Maybe Lasry let Edens pick another GM but Zanik, cause Edens didn't have Kidd fired on February and in a way he owned him.


PS: Preparing myself for GOT.

[Zeezprah]

I actually feel ok about Horst, we just need a new HC who doesn't meddle

[Zeezprah]

It's been almost a century since F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote that the very rich are different from you and me, but the message doesn't seem to have reached many on this forum yet. LED are not Average Joes, and applying Average Joe standards to them, or criticizing them for not living up to those standards, or complaining they do things differently from the way you would do them if you were an NBA owner, is a mistake.

Compared to other owners, LED aren't particularly meddling, incompetent, or high-handed. True, they probably see the Bucks as an asset, but that doesn't preclude them from feeling about this team the way, say, the Queen of England feels about the race horses she owns. There's emotional investment there, however tainted (at least in the eyes of the non-capitalists among us) by venal considerations.

And if we're turning professional sports into an ethics symposium, where is the outrage over a Michael Milken protege owning our baseball team? (Or for that matter MLB now embracing that crook?)

This is a great point, just because the owners want to make money, doesn't mean they don't want the team to win. There's other ways to make money besides owning sports franchises (that usually require less headaches).

[DingleJerry]

They've done well with all the marketing and re-branding.

But basketball has been a mess. Long story short, without Giannis this team/organization would still be a laughing stock of the league. They fell ass backwards into a superstar, that's all they have going for them.

Reminds me of that Hoosiers line: My nerves are shot. But with Jimmy, all the pistons are firing.

Basically, everything is a mess. But with Giannis anything could happen in spite of it.

[xTitan]

As Governor Edens has the Bucks vote on all league matters. And yes he would have the final say on ownership issues and could override what the other 2 wanted. But as outlined in the article when there is a disagreement they try to work it out. Horst was a consensus candidate. Hell they picked him without even talking to him. While Lasry brought in Kidd he also brought in Zanik, who most of us preferred over Horst.

For better or worse I wish one of these guys would buy out the other 2. Not going to happen though.

Oh I think you can read between the lines and see that Eden's at least threatened to use his governorship powers. Lasry and Dinan were clearly behind Zanik, plus neither decided to show for the press conference. Slice it anyway you like, this is a proven failed set up and these 3 seem less competent than most.

[4xBuck]

I think they are billionaire Wall Street hedge fund managers who will make a lot of money when they finally cash in on this investment. People on this board are so bipolar and quick to change their tunes when the games start, a few impressive summer league performances from our young guys and one trade/FA signing people will get back on board. Our team is really young and it seems like people raise their expectations really fast, as far as player development goes we are way ahead of schedule.

Yep...

As owners, they've done a great job building the infrastructure of the Bucks. When they bought the team, all they had was a bad stadium. Now, they a have G-league team, a brand new practice facility and in a year a brand new state of the art stadium with a beer garden/entertainment block.

[ackypoo]

I think they are billionaire Wall Street hedge fund managers who will make a lot of money when they finally cash in on this investment. People on this board are so bipolar and quick to change their tunes when the games start, a few impressive summer league performances from our young guys and one trade/FA signing people will get back on board. Our team is really young and it seems like people raise their expectations really fast, as far as player development goes we are way ahead of schedule.

Yep...

As owners, they've done a great job building the infrastructure of the Bucks. When they bought the team, all they had was a bad stadium. Now, they a have G-league team, a brand new practice facility and in a year a brand new state of the art stadium with a beer garden/entertainment block.

and none of that **** truly matters to us.

i signed up to watch basketball, not state of the art beer gardens.

and in 4 years when they dont turn it around because they continue to mismanage the basketball side, and giannis leaves, so will i.

[Max Green]

I guess I was under the impression that Lasry was the one with governor power. It seemed like he was spearheading a lot of what was going on.

That's what I thought too. Everyone kept saying this is all Lasry's doing and Edens was the smart one that will get us back on the right path when he takes his turn. Guess Edens sucks? ...

It shows a lot of people didn't know what they were talking about. Stun.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I actually feel ok about Horst, we just need a new HC who doesn't meddle

Unfortunately, I feel like Horst barely matters. I can't imagine his opinion overriding LED's or Kidd's on anything important.

[M-C-G]

Maybe Lasry let Edens pick another GM but Zanik, cause Edens didn't have Kidd fired on February and in a way he owned him.


PS: Preparing myself for GOT.

I think that is one part and I think the other part was an agreement, maybe PP suggested, Alex Lasry moves into Horst old role and gets "groomed" as a future assistant GM. While that would not be good for the team, that seems like a logical negotiation that could have occurred.

[lvckv]

The best thing about this team was already here before they took over. I have a feeling we're looking at Kevin Garnett on the Timberwolves mk2 rather than possible Championship contention with our future top 3/5 player.

New arena, rebranding yadda yadda. Making $$ but it's not helping the on-court product. Instead we've got a bottom 5 coach, we overpay mediocre role players, we fight for the 6-8 seed instead of fighting for a higher draft pick to get another star, etc etc..

[JimmyTheKid]

They've done well with all the marketing and re-branding.

But basketball has been a mess. Long story short, without Giannis this team/organization would still be a laughing stock of the league. They fell ass backwards into a superstar, that's all they have going for them.

Reminds me of that Hoosiers line: My nerves are shot. But with Jimmy, all the pistons are firing.

Basically, everything is a mess. But with Giannis anything could happen in spite of it.

Not really though. We have a stable of young talent and no terrible contracts.

[JimmyTheKid]

I think they are billionaire Wall Street hedge fund managers who will make a lot of money when they finally cash in on this investment. People on this board are so bipolar and quick to change their tunes when the games start, a few impressive summer league performances from our young guys and one trade/FA signing people will get back on board. Our team is really young and it seems like people raise their expectations really fast, as far as player development goes we are way ahead of schedule.

Yep...

As owners, they've done a great job building the infrastructure of the Bucks. When they bought the team, all they had was a bad stadium. Now, they a have G-league team, a brand new practice facility and in a year a brand new state of the art stadium with a beer garden/entertainment block.

and none of that **** truly matters to us.

i signed up to watch basketball, not state of the art beer gardens.

and in 4 years when they dont turn it around because they continue to mismanage the basketball side, and giannis leaves, so will i.

They bought the team coming off the worst record in franchise history, 15-67. We've had two playoff appearances and significant growth from our youngsters without mortgaging the future via trade or bad FA contract.

[4xBuck]

and none of that **** truly matters to us

Yeah... That's very telling.

If you want a comp, just go north east a bit and look at what the Packers have done to their infrastructure. Or even south east and look what the Cubs are doing.

This is all part of the process. If you want to ignore this part of the process because it doesn't fir your agenda to complain about the owners, that's on you.

[SirChurros]

Did Zanik **** Mallory or something? Edens must have really hated that man to go through all of this crap - potentially fracturing his relationship with his partners - to ensure he didn't get the job.

Really don't think this:



is **** this:

[Ron Swanson]

Amazing that with the best young superstar in the league, a brand new arena, and a young talented roster that's the envy of most teams in the conference, that we still have indecisive and inept ownership who can't get out of their own way. #Sad.

[imithanos]

Yep...

As owners, they've done a great job building the infrastructure of the Bucks. When they bought the team, all they had was a bad stadium. Now, they a have G-league team, a brand new practice facility and in a year a brand new state of the art stadium with a beer garden/entertainment block.

and none of that **** truly matters to us.

i signed up to watch basketball, not state of the art beer gardens.

and in 4 years when they dont turn it around because they continue to mismanage the basketball side, and giannis leaves, so will i.

They bought the team coming off the worst record in franchise history, 15-67. We've had two playoff appearances and significant growth from our youngsters without mortgaging the future via trade or bad FA contract.

The biggest mistake this ownership has done thus far is not slowly rebuilding the team on their first year. With Jabari and Giannis, they should have taken it slowly. Not tanking, but not going for the PO with Zaza, Ersan and co that left the next summer. And I'm not talking about a top-5 pick in the next draft. Can you imagine if we had a D. Booker or M. Turner in our team instead of Vaughn? We should have followed the Nuggets way, if not the wolves or sixers. No old FA signings and a win now moves.