OT: TV and Movies (with spoilers)

[midranger]

Spoiler:

Whole season just felt lazy. Let's get this over with. We're tired and want to do something else. Yeah, he dies, she dies, she dies. Whatever. Just, uh.... make it happen.

[jakecronus8]

Anyone still defending GoT would be doing so no matter how it ended.

[HaroldinGMinor]

I'm not gonna defend GoT but if you were disappointed in that finale then that's on you for not recalibrating your expectations like 9 episodes ago.

[midranger]

Spoiler:

What if...

Jon and Dany continue their relationship hot and heavy. Night King skips Winterfell and takes army of dead to Kings Landing instead, decimating Cersei's forces and much of the city. The Winterfell gang and Eastern armies come down and save the day, in part by burning the city/dead with the Dragons. Remaining citizens initially love her for saving them. Cersei is captured in the aftermath and Jon/Tyrion convince Dany to spare her as a prisoner against her better judgement. She comes to regret this decision as soon as Euron comes back and shoots down one of her remaining dragons. More skirmishes ensue. Euron/Lannister loyals execute some of her confidants over a couple episodes (Varys,Missandre, Jorah, etc...). The Dothraki are out of control and pillaging surrounding villages. People start uprising because of it. Dany can't control her kingdom. Gets paranoid, starts to suspect Jon is sabatoging her. Kills Cersei and as Jaime tries to intervene kills him too. Tyrion goes crazy. She kills him. Jon pulls away. Now... she's mad queen. Decimates most of Euron's forces. Starts burning everyone. Jon horrified. Tries to talk her down. At this point, the secret is revealed. She orders Drogon to burn him. He walks through the fire and tearfully stabs her in the heart Azor Ahai style (hint: it's him). Grey Worm and her eastern forces come at Jon and somehow kill Drogon in the fight. The northern forces ultimately prevail, and Jon offers the Essos crew safe passage back on Euron's remaining ships. They oblige. Jon is broken. Installs Sam or Bran or Sansa (whoever) as king and heads north to live out life as a free man.

[midranger]

I'm not gonna defend GoT but if you were disappointed in that finale then that's on you for not recalibrating your expectations like 9 episodes ago.

Nah, it was still REALLY bad.

[wapith]

By the way I'm kind of bummed that there are no more shows that everybody watches. If you're bragging about not watching it just because it ended badly, you still missed out.

100% agree.

First of all, I'll put Seasons 1-4 up against any TV show.

Secondly, the speculation, conversation, and anticipation created by the show were all a part of the experience. It has personally given me 100's of hours entertainment over that last 8 years through articles, theories, and the episodes themselves.

Edit: But yea Seasons 7 & 8 were disappointing and unnecessarily rushed. Definitely tarnishes the reputation of the show as a whole.

[WeekapaugGroove]

All I can say is it felt like they just yada yada yada yada'd the end of this run. Bummer

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[Ayt]

The first several seasons were so good I would not have imagined that, by the end, I would not have cared at all what happened to any of the characters, but that is what happened. I had no emotional response to any of it other than maybe to laugh at how dumb so much of the writing was.

[hege53190]

I'm not gonna defend GoT but if you were disappointed in that finale then that's on you for not recalibrating your expectations like 9 episodes ago.

Nah, it was still REALLY bad.

Like he said the last 9 episodes to 3 seasons have been really bad. They didn’t do any damage to the number fans watching game of thrones because the first 4 seasons were so electric. But I doubt anybody tunes into the new series after the pile of **** fans have eaten over the last 3 years.

[ackypoo]

worst series finale ive seen in some time. probably since dexter?

[ReasonablySober]

Nah, I and plenty others have really enjoyed the last couple seasons. That finale was almost entirely trash.

[MissKhriddleton]

The first several seasons were so good I would not have imagined that, by the end, I would not have cared at all what happened to any of the characters, but that is what happened. I had no emotional response to any of it other than maybe to laugh at how dumb so much of the writing was.

It's crazy how much it unraveled. I thought season 7 was trash, but still had hope for season 8. If you would have been told how things ended up 3 years ago you'd have been like, "Holy crap, that is going to epic and easily the most powerful and heartbreaking moment of the show."

And yet they screwed it up so badly that it was just like ok, that's that. It could have still been questionable and even bad leading up to that point and the ending would have still been as powerful as it should have been. But it got to such a level of terribleness that you were completely out of it. Kind of amazing actually.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Nah, I and plenty others have really enjoyed the last couple seasons.

Sorry to hear that.

[HaroldinGMinor]

In a perfect world, everyone should be talking about the fantastic battle sequences and death of the Night King today. Instead...

[dogswithbeesintheirmouths]

I'm not gonna defend GoT but if you were disappointed in that finale then that's on you for not recalibrating your expectations like 9 episodes ago.

The series fell apart with the "idiotic zombie plan" in season 7 and never recovered. That being said, there is still a laundry list of things that sucked from the last episode.

Spoiler:

-Tyrion is a chained up death row inmate being told to shut up while determining the fate of the world. And he picks Bran because of "stories"? It was a crappy way to explain the Night King and is an even worse way to pick a king.
-They're supposed to be "breaking the wheel" by setting up some type of monarchic republic, but having house leaders pick a king was not unprecedented. Plus now there are 6 of them so obviously there would be a tie vote eventually and an ensuing war.
-Bran is picked based on his parentage, but the North secedes so why would they want a Stark? Plus Jon's parentage is never mentioned.
-Everything that happens to Jon is purely because of the demands of Gray Worm. Who cares? The Unsullied might have a little problem with staying power.
-How did anyone even know he stabbed Daenerys unless he confessed? How could that be skipped over?
-Why is there a Nights Watch anyway? They would have had to quickly reestablish it when the only function would be a prison camp.
-Arya is now Christopher Columbus. Uh OK, expectations subverted? People seem to think this was the best part of the episode. The fact something totally open-ended is the highlight tells you a lot about the quality of the show.

[MiltownHawkeye]

I kind of resent when people say they enjoyed season 7 (in anything other than a "so bad ir's good" kind of way), because season 8 seemed to be written exclusively for them. The writers were clearly more interested in writing badass one-liners and meme material for the fan-favorite characters than telling a good story.

The fan favorites used to be the hyper-intelligent ones. LF, Varys, Tyrion. Then somewhere around season 6, the fan favorites became the mimetic badasses: Tormund, Sandor, Arya. This is because D&D can't write genuinely intelligent characters. It's another symptom of the show going from an intelligent political drama to schlocky blockbuster action.

I guess the latter is what the masses wanted and that's why they doubled down on the fanservice and plot armor for fan-favorites.

[MissKhriddleton]

I keep coming back to:

Spoiler:

- Jon kills Dany (which none of the fallout was shown, could have been intense if he immediately regretted it, tried to escape KL, unsullied are hunting for him, he confesses to Davos what he did, etc.)
- Tyrion is then brought to the council as a prisoner
- Greyworm demands justice for Jon/Tyrion
- They come to the conclusion that a king/queen should decide and realize they have none
- Greyworm tells them to pick one
- Tyrion then tells everyone who to pick without Greyworm saying anything
- Everyones cool with Bran
- Bran then says that Jon should be let go
- Greyworm then says no. DUDE YOU JUST TOLD THEM YOURE COOL WITH THEM PICKING A KING AND THEY DID AND THEN YOU'RE TELLING THE KING NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT CAUSE HE'S THE KING NOW

[Ron Swanson]

Oh, we really going for the "you casual schlubs ruined the last couple seasons" thing? I mean, I wasn't the biggest fan on how the pacing of this last season played out (episode 3 should have been the last episode), but people were obviously gonna crucify the writers no matter how the show ended.

Spoiler:

Finale was.....ok. Would have been a lot better had they built up more to Jon killing Danarys, but I thought the cinematography, especially the closing shots, were beautifully done. Thought that Bran being king was a good twist, but it doesn't really fit his character arc at all. But the series has mostly been about the Stark children since the beginning, so it's fitting that they end the show with all 3 of them going their seperate ways.

[MissKhriddleton]

Spoiler:

What was the point of the dragon being covered in snow/ash and why did that happen?

[Bucksfan28]

Most of the arcs have satisfying conclusions imo, but a lot of those got there incoherently or with no context at all. It's a shame.

EDIT: Bran

Spoiler:

He fits they're ultimate goal. He's more of a figurehead King than actual ruler, and a reasoned council led by everyone's favorite sage will be making the important decisions. The major difference is that this King can't be lied to or deceived, so he'll help resolve divisive issues and, when his powers are most needed, i.e. locating the one remaining dragon and Dany's body, he can devote his time to such matters.