PG - Bucks Come Up Short in Game 5

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

as contructed this team wins 50 without giannis. anybody taIking about a rebuiId needs to start with that premise

i think we need and a superstar vet thats over his prime but can taIk to giannis. this team needs a oscar. middetpon is a dandridge. trading him doesnt soIve a damn thing. we need the stabiizIer and a piayer that can get in giannis griII when he does idiot stuff

Heat were on pace for 49 wins. They aren't as good as the Heat. They are a low 40 win team with Lopezx2, Hill, Bled, Midds, Korver, Wes, Ersan, Marvin all on the wrong side of the hill. God our team is old and slow.

[paulpressey25]

This offseason will say it all about Horst. This team has a lot of things to tweak roster wise and nothing is going to be easy or obvious.

Also, either Bud has to develop some actions offensively to use in the half court, or he has gotta go.

Those two you mention may be irrelevant to what happens. Marc Lasry will have ideas. We know that.

[Siefer]

Going to have nightmares about Bledsoe over Brogdon.

[Antinomy]

This team needs more than just Chris Paul to get to the next level. And knowing our luck, Paul will completely fall off if he comes here.

And since the Bucks are now publicly desperate for Chris Paul, the price of acquiring him just doubled.

We’re gonna have to move picks for the next 3-5 years to get him.

For that price, I’d prefer McCollum or Beal.

[jakecronus8]

Observation from a Heat fan: you guys have an excellent roster around Giannis. I'm actually starting to believe that Giannis' teammates/coach/system actually elevate him rather than it being entirely the other way around. You guys are in a good position in that your team can very easily improve from within, i.e. Giannis evolving his offensive game, perhaps Bud being a bit more flexible with his system

Cheering for you guys from here on out and I’m jealous that you have Spo. He might be the best coach in the nba. Truth be told, if Giannis were to leave Miami probably has the best constructed roster for him but I think he stays.

[Cythaps]

I agree on CP3. I understand the thinking but it's just a terrible idea to me. Too much injury risk and short-term thinking. Should be able to make a few lower-risk moves that fix the real issues. When you won 60 last year and could have won 70 this year if not for the pandemic and resting your best players so much, your problems are eminently fixable without doing anything too terribly drastic.

Yeah let's lose another year like this one with a few non drastic changes like this year.

People don't understand how fast the championship window closes. There is no long term. You can't keep Giannis with a long term plan. You need a win now plan, even if it's risky.

[FrieAaron]

Observation from a Heat fan: you guys have an excellent roster around Giannis. I'm actually starting to believe that Giannis' teammates/coach/system actually elevate him rather than it being entirely the other way around. You guys are in a good position in that your team can very easily improve from within, i.e. Giannis evolving his offensive game, perhaps Bud being a bit more flexible with his system

And Middleton is a straight killer. The best player by far last two games

Problem is they can't shoot when it matters.

[skones]

I agree on CP3. I understand the thinking but it's just a terrible idea to me. Too much injury risk and short-term thinking. Should be able to make a few lower-risk moves that fix the real issues. When you won 60 last year and could have won 70 this year if not for the pandemic and resting your best players so much, your problems are eminently fixable without doing anything too terribly drastic.

Our roster as constructed is short term thinking. If Giannis puts his name on the dotted line, obviously we have ample opportunity to make more calculated moves. If not, we have to move NOW. Bledsoe himself is an injury risk, and IMO, he's very much a real issue.

My concern is that the pandemic completely changed the nature of our team and how we played. Bud wasn't exactly creative with how he prepared our squad with this consistent iso BS. He conformed to "playoff style" rather than looking to exploiting opportunities with personnel, and I find that problematic.

[blazza18]

as contructed this team wins 50 without giannis. anybody taIking about a rebuiId needs to start with that premise

Still doing this regular season thing huh?

[coolhandluke121]

I agree on CP3. I understand the thinking but it's just a terrible idea to me. Too much injury risk and short-term thinking. Should be able to make a few lower-risk moves that fix the real issues. When you won 60 last year and could have won 70 this year if not for the pandemic and resting your best players so much, your problems are eminently fixable without doing anything too terribly drastic.

This isn't meant just for you CHL but who cares about regular season win totals? It was cool last year and this year but now who cares? All that matters is your playoff results and the Bucks have been embarrassed two years in a row.

I want to fix the problems and I know what the problems are. I've been pointing out the issues for as long as anyone and I've never backed down from people trying to gloss over the issues with regular season win totals. I'm not saying regular season wins are what matters, but I am definitely saying if you can win 60+ two years in a row you should be able to fix your problems without taking huge risks.

How many times did CP3 get injured just in time for the playoffs for LAC and Houston? It was basically a yearly occurrence for a decade. Hard pass for me.

[tski1972]

This feels exactly like when Green Bay lost to Seattle in the NFC title game a handful of years ago. How did this happen?

My packers and football fandom never recovered after that loss. I wonder if it’ll be the same for the Bucks.

Last year felt like Packers/Seattle. This season felt like 15-1 Packers losing to the Giants.

[FrieAaron]

You can't compare disappointing NFL seasons with a one and done tournament to the NBA playoffs.

[Thanos1985]

Bledsoe is a great player to have. Just not for 20 millions . You use him as a defender to guards lika harden. Matc ups mean a lot on playoffs. Miami was a bad match up for us , in coaching and they were build to stop Giannis. They had, to make it to the finals. If we were playing boston, or even toronto we would had won the series.

The problem with Bud is that he doesnt care for that. He understands something has to change when is too late and he builds the team not according to who we will have to face in playoffs

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

as contructed this team wins 50 without giannis. anybody taIking about a rebuiId needs to start with that premise

i think we need and a superstar vet thats over his prime but can taIk to giannis. this team needs a oscar. middetpon is a dandridge. trading him doesnt soIve a damn thing. we need the stabiizIer and a piayer that can get in giannis griII when he does idiot stuff

Heat were on pace for 49 wins. They aren't as good as the Heat. They are a low 40 win team with Lopezx2, Hill, Bled, Midds, Korver, Wes, Ersan, Marvin all on the wrong side of the hill. God our team is old and slow.

butIer and crowder missed a ton of games. crowder payed in 20. young guys progressed. heat are not a 49 win team

[Matches Malone]

Damn Marvin retired already lol

[DingleJerry]

The achilles heel is clear two postseasons in a row. Need some quick twitch offensive players who can shoot. The most glaring spot being PG. I'm not necessarily in the Bud has to go camp, but if you target a PG in this mold it is ultimately useless if you don't instill an offense with ball screens for that PG. So if he stays he has to understand this tweak needs to be made to the O.

Any discussions on this skill that come to, "yea but he sucks at D" should generally be overruled by the massive need for this skill on O. It's killed them twice in a row.

Also, Midds generally showed up in all 5 games. Shot didn't hit tonight as the focal point of the D and being dogged by some good guys. But the effort, energy, attitude were all there. Did all he could in a tough spot, he's just not thaaaat good on that top tier. Please next year when he has one or two bad game can we not have to hear about how he's garbage in the playoffs, mentally weak and scared.

[coolhandluke121]

I agree on CP3. I understand the thinking but it's just a terrible idea to me. Too much injury risk and short-term thinking. Should be able to make a few lower-risk moves that fix the real issues. When you won 60 last year and could have won 70 this year if not for the pandemic and resting your best players so much, your problems are eminently fixable without doing anything too terribly drastic.

Our roster as constructed is short term thinking. If Giannis puts his name on the dotted line, obviously we have ample opportunity to make more calculated moves. If not, we have to move NOW. Bledsoe himself is an injury risk, and IMO, he's very much a real issue.

My concern is that the pandemic completely changed the nature of our team and how we played. Bud wasn't exactly creative with how he prepared our squad with this consistent iso BS. He conformed to "playoff style" rather than looking to exploiting opportunities with personnel, and I find that problematic.

I'm not suggesting they don't need any changes. Far from it. Go check out some of my proposals in the trade thread if you don't believe me. I've pushed for Conley Jr., Bojan, Ingles, and picks for Bledsoe, Khris, and Brook, for example. Trading for CP3 is less likely to get them a title IMO because he's not likely to stay healthy long enough. No way I'm taking that risk.

Trading for CP3 is utter desperation. There will be better options for the good but limited players the Bucks have to offer.

[WhatTheBuck]

Had Giannis not been so underwhelming, we would have won this series. He needs to camp outside Hakeem Olajuwon's house for the next 6 months.

That said, we can't skirt around the fact that we are one of the worst three point shooting teams in the league.

[greekbuck34]

Against the Raptors last season — 10.2 PPG 29.4 FG% 17.2 3P%. Against the Heat this season — 11.8 PPG 33.3 FG% 21.4 3P%.

I love Bled and his hustle but he is cripping our already crippled offense even more. He is the worst fit PG to Giannis.
Khris got the Giannis treatment tonight and the defender of Bledsoe basically forgot who was defending at times leaving him all alone.

We got beat two times by impressive defenses and we made their job even easier by giving them an extra defender to defend Giannis for free.

[Bucksfan28]

The Bucks have the hard part of championship building done. Just get some damn young athletes and shooting (captain obvious statement).