Jrue Agrees to 4/135-160 Extension

[stellation]

[jute2003]

The nice thing about this is that it affords them a few years to figure out the right fit around the core three.

Or figure out if it's only a core 2 and move on appropriately.

[ShootingtheJ]

Saw the title of the thread and wanted to puke. $40M per is way too much for him but when I saw that it's a baseline 4/135 with incentives I felt a little better about it. Still going to be paying a 35 year old $40M in the last year though. Here's Horst once again with the overpay. Many of you think this is a great deal and we had to do it, you're probably right we did have to re-sign him...Maybe some of those incentives are likely unreachable, which will be good for us overall. Here's to paying Khris/Giannis/Jrue $120-$140M per for the next 3 years if we keep that core.

My guess is that if we don't reach at least the ECF this season, Khris is gone. Maybe that's the whole point of this deal, in which case I'd feel much better about it. Khris has shown some streakiness during the season and an inability to perform in the playoffs. He will also likely net a huge return of role players that can help solidify us as contenders compared to the Forbes/Pat C's of the league.

If the Bucks don't reach the ECF, then Bud has to go. The Bucks have elite individual defenders, but don't play elite defense. That has to change.

Nurse and Carlyle could be available, but only because they coach terrible defenses.

[blazza18]

We couldn't not extend him and I don't think he was ever going to not re-sign. Horst just can't **** up now and pretty much has to either get lucky or make a couple of perfect moves otherwise we're basically locked into this core that's not quite good enough to win a title. That's the concern.

Few people have brought it up already and I have recently too - Middleton's on the move next. Really the only big move that's available now.

[tski1972]

How does this affect the cap as far as next season? I can’t see Portis taking the player option, will he be affordable? Will they be able to sign anyone outside the minimum?

[slos]

Jrue had 25,111 mil as base salary in his current contract, which leads to 30,133 mil in 2021-22 with the 120% rule for a legal extension. This will probably be his cap hit:

2021-22: 30,133
2022-23: 32,543
2023-24: 35,146
2024-25: 37,958 (PO)
Τotal: 4y/135,780

The rest of his money will be bonuses, which will probably be likely, but it only affects the owners. I think the deal is fair for the following reasons.

- I have Jrue worth a bit more than 4y/135mil
- Jrue was eligible for 4y/169mil in the open market, which he would definitely get as the best FA available

This deal has a lot of middle ground.

- For Milwaukee a flat 4y/135mil would be sweet. Now they overpay with the bonuses.
- Jrue is giving up 9 mil since his max now is 160 mil and will have to fight for 25 mil since his guaranteed money is 135 mil.

Both showed commitment to each other. There's nothing to hate in this deal to be honest.

[M-C-G]

Ainge had 3 picks in the 2020 draft and all of the Celtics' firsts moving forward.

Danny could have bested the Bucks' offer for Holiday if he wanted to, which he is saying he didn't, per his interview saying he didn't even offer the 3 picks.

Feeling like this was a more questionable decision than the Nuggets and Hawks bowing out of the running -- even when accounting for how expensive the Jrue extension proved to be.

Curious to check out the Celtics' board discussion towards these ends:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2006640&start=1880

Looking like not getting Harden was the fatal ****. In hindsight if he could have gotten Harden for Brown or Tatum, he should have.

Us not going for Harden was just as fatal imo. I mean I'm pretty happy how the Jrue thing turned out, but given what he went for there's no way we wouldn't have been able to make a competitive offer with what we gave up for Jrue and Mids. Pretty sure Brooklyn would be a trainwreck without him, too.

Counter point, Giannis wanted nothing to do with playing with Harden, Bucks do it anyway, Giannis doesn't sign extension. Good for hypertension pharmacies, 90% of this board loses 3 years life expectancy. Nothing is a fatal flaw guys, because we don't know what is going to happen from here.

[Jez2983]

Holy hell that’s a lot of money.

It is. Skones may be right that it's a mistake, but he's a genuine 2-way guard.

I also agree whatever we do with Mids from here is key.

[M-C-G]

We couldn't not extend him and I don't think he was ever going to not re-sign. Horst just can't **** up now and pretty much has to either get lucky or make a couple of perfect moves otherwise we're basically locked into this core that's not quite good enough to win a title. That's the concern.

Few people have brought it up already and I have recently too - Middleton's on the move next. Really the only big move that's available now.

I think a Jrue, DDV, Midd, Giannis, Lopez, Portis, Pat, Tucker, Teague is a pretty legit 9 man rotation come playoff time. If that can't work, I think Bud is out. But then after that, yeah, I think the next domino is Lopez then Middleton.

[ReasonablySober]

My opinion is I like the contract if he continues to play good.

[Coach Carter]

He'll be good for the next two years, not sure after that. He's not a CP3 level talent. When the athleticism goes, you still have your shooting, passing and IQ which is why CP3 is still very good and you don't worry about paying him in his twilight years. It may seem like I'm against this deal but I'm not. I knew Jrue was going to be an upgrade over bled. I knew he was a solid defender, just never expected him to be this good on offense. My only knock is the passing but he showed me something in the last game so I'd say bud just needs to trust him more. I'm hoping he can turn into Lowry come playoff time. Lowry I think has more dog in him...Jrue needs to be aggressive.

[mke_design]

I LIKE. THE CONTRACT.

[jute2003]

Holy hell that’s a lot of money.

It is. Skones may be right that it's a mistake, but he's a genuine 2-way guard.

I also agree whatever we do with Mids from here is key.

I feel like Giannis wouldn't want play with Skones but who knew skones was such a baller.....

[BigO]

The two lingering questions that will determine how far they go in the playoffs are:

1) Will Bud run the offense primarily (not solely) thru Jrue, letting him set up Giannis? Last night in the fourth quarter, Bud went thru Khris for most of the quarter and it was a disaster. Once Jrue took over at the end, game over.

2) Will Bud get the defense into top 5 status. Right now the Lakers are an elite defense when healthy, as are the 76ers. The Nets are an anomaly. They are so good on offense that they don't care about defense.

[blazza18]

We couldn't not extend him and I don't think he was ever going to not re-sign. Horst just can't **** up now and pretty much has to either get lucky or make a couple of perfect moves otherwise we're basically locked into this core that's not quite good enough to win a title. That's the concern.

Few people have brought it up already and I have recently too - Middleton's on the move next. Really the only big move that's available now.

I think a Jrue, DDV, Midd, Giannis, Lopez, Portis, Pat, Tucker, Teague is a pretty legit 9 man rotation come playoff time. If that can't work, I think Bud is out. But then after that, yeah, I think the next domino is Lopez then Middleton.

Get having faith in the squad, I just don't at all and will need to see it before I believe in it.

Trading Middleton just opens up so many more possibilities roster wise. I believe the F/O know this too.

[M-C-G]

We couldn't not extend him and I don't think he was ever going to not re-sign. Horst just can't **** up now and pretty much has to either get lucky or make a couple of perfect moves otherwise we're basically locked into this core that's not quite good enough to win a title. That's the concern.

Few people have brought it up already and I have recently too - Middleton's on the move next. Really the only big move that's available now.

I think a Jrue, DDV, Midd, Giannis, Lopez, Portis, Pat, Tucker, Teague is a pretty legit 9 man rotation come playoff time. If that can't work, I think Bud is out. But then after that, yeah, I think the next domino is Lopez then Middleton.

Get having faith in the squad, I just don't at all and will need to see it before I believe in it.

Trading Middleton just opens up so many more possibilities roster wise. I believe the F/O know this too.

I just don't think you move on from this core until after you have switched coaches. Seems like a natural order of events, because if, let's say we get a new coach, and win with a Jrue/Midd/Giannis core, you still have them all locked up for a few more years to keep making runs at it.

[CharityStripe34]

Jrue is a really good, fundamentally sound player who's game will age well. I think he's really the #2.

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[M-C-G]

Jrue is a really good, fundamentally sound player who's game will age well. I think he's really the #2.

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Yeah, I was thinking thru this, a lot of his game is power and changes of speed more than blowing by guys or quickness or being a high flyer. I know he has a lengthy injury history, so managing regular season minutes might be the trick.

[drone3]

Let's go!!! Jrue makes us much better, really pumped for this.

Interested to know how this effects Portis up coming money

[ShootingtheJ]

How does this affect the cap as far as next season? I can’t see Portis taking the player option, will he be affordable? Will they be able to sign anyone outside the minimum?

We'll have the Tax MLE to sign a player or players. It's likely not enough for Portis. We'll need to find the next Portis, but we found him for less, and we're building a reputation that will lead agents to steer their players our way.

We also have a $4.88 million TPE to bring in a player or players in trade. The rest are minimums. The Houston pick will only be able to be signed to a 2 year deal unless we use part of the tax MLE to sign him.

Good news is most of the roster is under contract. Rotation FAs only include Teague, plus Portis and Forbes when they opt out.