PG Raps - Dame + Malik = WIN

[DingleJerry]

I think there is a lot of all or nothing here. How many times in the fourth have we seen Giannis just too exhausted to function? Have him play a DAJordan/Shaq role for 15 minutes while dame does his thing. He still have 20 minutes where he is being Giannis but is either more rested or can spend his energy on defense

Agree. The Shaq comparison is an 'all or nothing' scenario. A couple of thoughts on exhausted 4th qtr Giannis: He continues to add unnecessary upper body weight. Someone needs to tell him to stop. Even exhausted Giannis is fine as long as Griffin puts him in the dunker spot. There were stretches last night Brook was either setting the ball screen on top and rolling, or cleaning up at the rim from the dunker spot. That's my vision for Giannis's best role in the 4th quarter.

As far as the rest of the game, I simply don't trust Giannis to not James Harden the offense. Nor do I think it's realistic to have him change his style based on Dame being on or off the floor. Imagine trying to convince a player to make significant adjustments after putting up 54 on a team. This won't be an easy task for Griffin, but anyone watching last night, including Giannis, had to see the importance of having the ball in Dame's hands. Having a 1a/1b just doesn't fit the skillsets. I'm convinced Giannis embracing the #2 option in word AND action will unlock the potential of Dame/Giannis lineups.

I agree it will be hard for both Giannis and Dame to change their games. I think this is where you look to stagger them more.

Sure. I think any non moron coach should know that at least one of them should be on the floor at all times. So that's pretty much the max on staggering. They've both generally looked fine and like their normal selves when playing without the other.

What we're really discussing is the remaining 20-25 mins when they're together and what should be happening then. Those are also the most important because they should be the last 6-8 mins of a close game, so obviously that's the key in the playoffs. But its also the first 6 mins of the game which sets the tone for the game.

[Prez]

I guess MarJon getting hurt and Beasley getting hot means another dozen games of coaching malpractice in the starting lineup. ah well, at least we got a win and looked a bit like a basketball team.

Agreed, credit where it’s due to Beasley for a big game, but it’s just difficult for me to not view this stuff through the lens of “how is this gonna work against the Celtics, Heat, Sixers, Nuggets, Suns, etc in a playoff series”. And looking at it through that lens it’s just really uninspiring to have a starting backcourt of negative defenders and a starting 5 with nobody you’d feel comfortable throwing at a guy like Tatum or Jimmy (outside of Giannis I guess) or KD. Or the guards like Booker, Maxey, Murray, etc.

We saw just last season how catastrophic it can be to have nobody that can defend a star perimeter/wing player in a playoff series. You simply have to prepare for that.

I really don’t mind Beasley as a bench guy, if he’s shooting well let him be a gunner in bench lineups. That’s a perfectly fine spot for him. But unfortunately like you said this probably locks him in as a starter for the foreseeable future.

[tedbrogen]

I’d also push for any Dame/Giannis PnR to start out as high as possible. Logo if need be. Gives them both a long runway. Removes the issue they are running into when they run that from the top of the key with Dame being blitzed and then Giannis having guys already slapping at the ball before he receives the pass around the free throw line and also him not having time to get to full speed to maneuver around guys in the paint. It also opens up the passing angles for Dame and Giannis.

This is another example of what is AG doing... If fans can point out that the Giannis/Dame pnr should start further out then how are we 10% into the season and we haven't even tried it. Unless its some PHD 4d chess only going to use it in the playoffs move.

The annoying part is they’ve run that logo PnR for Dame a few times and it’s been super successful but they just don’t do it frequently. Like the base offense should be PNR’s with Dame, but the base offense is mostly “do whatever you want” and it’s on Dame to call for screens.

[craig]

Nice for Beasley to have the big game. it's a reminder of how statistics work. Composite average factors in the great nights with the rest. Beasley can go 1-for-4 in each of the next six games, and he'll still end up 12/35 = 40% over the 7-game set.

Brook is ~35% 3-point shooter over his six years with the Bucks. Mostly disadvantageous, but with a handful of hot-night games each season where he goes 3/4 and keeps the composite percentage up. But not often enough for defenses to respect or contest it much.

[ShootingtheJ]

The truth is NIETHER Dame and Giannis need to reinvent themselves.

BOTH simply need to tweak their games and gain more chemistry to have a better feel for when to take the lead from the other

The idea that either guy needs to reinvent themselves is simply limiting one and missing the point of pairing them together

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This. Shots were made tonight and missed other nights. The level of play offensively didn't change.

The ball movement tonight was insane compared to anything we’ve seen recently, all because Dame dominated the ball. What were you watching?

Dame touched the ball 76 times, and had it for 7.6 minutes last night. With Giannis on Monday, Dame touched the ball 80 times, and had it for 7.8 minutes. The Bucks had just 25 assists as a team last night, despite 138 points.

The difference last night was we made our shots, and defended (until we let up after it was a blowout).

[skones]

Whatever Beas percentages end up this season, that’s the absolute best you’ll ever get out of him. Dame and Giannis gravity means more than half of his shots SHOULD be wide open, stand still, catch and shoot corner threes.

Almost everyone who plays with GA sees a spike in the shooting percentages and efficiency. And that’s before mixing in Dame’s gravity and vision.

I don't disagree and considered making a point about their gravity, but it's not like he didn't play with LeBron, AD, and Jokic last season. He wasn't on the Hornets.

But yeah, I agree this should be an ideal spot for him...off the bench soon, hopefully.

That’s a good point that Beas was at what 36% last season playing off Bron/AD. That makes it seem he will regress from this hot start. Combine that with his horrific D and you really need him out of the rotation or in a Forbes-like role by playoff time because he’ll likely be completely unplayable after the first round since it’ll be a date with the Celtics or Sixers in round two.

FWIW, Beasley only played 26 games in a Laker Uniform during the regular season last year and only 11 of them came with Lebron on the floor. I will say this though, on volume, he's taking the fewest shots from distance p100 since his second year in the league. He seems to be more willing to defer and swing the ball than you've really seen out of him for like 6 years. His open/wide open percentages of that volume are also a tick higher as well. Will he sit at 47%? No. I don't, however, think that 39-41% range is entirely unreasonable.

[tedbrogen]

This. Shots were made tonight and missed other nights. The level of play offensively didn't change.

The ball movement tonight was insane compared to anything we’ve seen recently, all because Dame dominated the ball. What were you watching?

Dame touched the ball 76 times, and had it for 7.6 minutes last night. With Giannis on Monday, Dame touched the ball 80 times, and had it for 7.8 minutes. The Bucks had just 25 assists as a team last night, despite 138 points.

The difference last night was we made our shots, and defended (until we let up after it was a blowout).

Some of the lower assist totals was Dame creating a lot of offense for himself with layups, threes off the dribble, and drawing fouls. Mix in that a lot of Midds and Portis’ points end up unassisted because they back down a mismatch and shoot over them and it’s a recipe for low assist numbers.

From the eye test, the ball didn’t appear to stick too much at anytime outside of during the Raptors run when Cam Payne started forcing stuff a bit.

I’d assume most of Beas’ threes were assisted.

[Daver]

Beasley was smoking hot..if he can somehow be consistent he can stay

He can't, but games like last night are why these guys stay in the NBA.

Dudes been shpoting good the whole year over 40on 3s probably alot higher since last night n almost 50% from the floor anyone else does that you guys have orgazisms but beas foes it its ho hum whatever

[emunney]

Beasley was smoking hot..if he can somehow be consistent he can stay

He can't, but games like last night are why these guys stay in the NBA.

Dudes been shpoting good the whole year over 40on 3s probably alot higher since last night n almost 50% from the floor anyone else does that you guys have orgazisms but beas foes it its ho hum whatever

Savor it folks

[SupremeHustle]

Beasley was smoking hot..if he can somehow be consistent he can stay

He can't, but games like last night are why these guys stay in the NBA.

Dudes been shpoting good the whole year over 40on 3s probably alot higher since last night n almost 50% from the floor anyone else does that you guys have orgazisms but beas foes it its ho hum whatever

Reminds me of my early screenplays. I knew what I wanted to say, but had no idea how to write it.

[tedbrogen]

Beas doing for ten games what Midds did casually at a much higher usage and more self-created for an entire season while Midds also played solid D.

[randy84]

When the player you love is similar to the player you hate.

Look at #4 on the defensive comparison list and #3 on the overall list.

https://craftednba.com/players/marjon-beauchamp

[theFireBlanket]

When the player you love is similar to the player you hate.

Look at #4 on the defensive comparison list and #3 on the overall list.

https://craftednba.com/players/marjon-beauchamp

Malik is 27. MarJon 23.
6'3 with 6'7 wingspan vs. 6'5 with 7ft wingspan.

Age is the biggest factor here, but size adds another element. Beauchamp is still learning & Malik is pretty much who he is.

So MarJon is already an equal player to Beasley, at a younger age without fully harnessing his potential.

[BigO]

Not worried about the offense (7th).

Defense is 24th and rebounding is 26th. The prior three years the Bucks were 3rd, 6th, 5th.

I understand that Bud payed a passive defense that emphasized everyone concentrating on the defensive rebounds and getting back on defense after a missed shot. But the total turnaround from one extreme to the other is amazing, with basically the same personnel.

[MissKhriddleton]

This. Shots were made tonight and missed other nights. The level of play offensively didn't change.

The ball movement tonight was insane compared to anything we’ve seen recently, all because Dame dominated the ball. What were you watching?

Dame touched the ball 76 times, and had it for 7.6 minutes last night. With Giannis on Monday, Dame touched the ball 80 times, and had it for 7.8 minutes. The Bucks had just 25 assists as a team last night, despite 138 points.

The difference last night was we made our shots, and defended (until we let up after it was a blowout).

Gonna need you to share some shot quality stats to back this up before I admit I still don't agree with you.

[Daver]

Someone who knows how stats work please tell me if this is considered almost perfect like a 158.6 QB rating

Malik Beasley scored 30 for the
@Bucks
last night on 107.1% true shooting

[MickeyDavis]

Beas doing for ten games what Midds did casually at a much higher usage and more self-created for an entire season while Midds also played solid D.

Key is "played", not "playing". He's now 32 with chronic injury issues. His defense isn't nearly what it used to be. His 3 point shooting peaked in 2019-20. I hope Khris can return to form AND play a consistent 25-30 minutes per game going forward. He's a critical piece of another championship run. But at this point whatever we get from him and his $29 million salary this year is gravy.

[-Jragon-]

I was only half watching the game while out being social last night, saw several plays l, saw we were scoring and challenging shots... didn't even realize Giannis wasn't playing until the 3rd quarter.. that's not good for him that we lose and look lost when Dame doesn't play and win easily when Giannis doesn't. I hope he wakes up and learns from this but I doubt he does. If anyone has his ear....
Hey Giannis:
1.stop bringing the ball up -- it's stupid and so is Jason Kidd who taught you it
2. stop shooting 3s -- it's stupid and so is whoever told you that it's a good idea
3. stop fading away shots when you're outside of the paint -- you aren't Dirk and whoever told you you are is stupid

[theFireBlanket]

Miles Bridges comeback game is Friday. Hm.

[Dick Tate]

He can't, but games like last night are why these guys stay in the NBA.

Dudes been shpoting good the whole year over 40on 3s probably alot higher since last night n almost 50% from the floor anyone else does that you guys have orgazisms but beas foes it its ho hum whatever

Reminds me of my early screenplays. I knew what I wanted to say, but had no idea how to write it.

First glance I thought I saw the word, ****posting.