PG Knicks - Unserious

[RiotPunch]

As for the team, the problem is and always has been Giannis. His unwillingness and/or inability to make himself into a credible 5 rather than pretend to be a wing, combined with waning athleticism/health/effort has killed our ceiling. It kills me to say it, but he truly has become big Westbrook.

Giannis deserves his share of blame for this current mess, but that *problem* gave us a 'ship.

[pifhluk23]

I think I speak for most fire Bud folks when I say:

A) Had I known we would be trading for Dame, I would have kept him around.

B) Had I known we would hire Adrian Griffin and then Doc Rivers, I definitely would have kept him around.

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This is exactly it. The criticism of Bud was lack of offense in the playoffs. Dame completely solves that... Can't believe how many mistakes this org has made the past few years.

[drone3]

Tyler Smith is a baller, give him Bobby's minutes

[JayMKE]

you can't compartmentalize guys in "this guy should play all the the defense" and "this guy should play all the offense", team isn't good at anything anymore as a team and it comes down to fundamental fit. Jrue and Bud were the glue holding it all together, we're **** now.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Pretty clear they needed Bud to spoon feed the low iq roster (I did not watch lol).

Bud had a big hand in putting together the low IQ roster.

and won a title with it....

it was a shame our franchise player who also by all accounts is a wonderful human being but also a total complete basketball dunce forced him out. i mean if you wanted to pick the absolute worst guy in the nba to give organizational input and power to it would be giannis. like lebron is a freaking savant compared to our guy so.....

practically again we dominated the league during the reg season and won a title with buds roster. that was bud. apparently looking at the results before bud...and after bud... it was ALL bud.

but today..,... youre more or less looking at a roster thats the byproduct of giannis wanting bud gone...
and then daring us not to overhaul that roster or hed maybe go to..... "be a winner(someplace else)"

if this teams fails then blow it up and **** giannis. trade him to okc for 10 picks and let him go "be a winner(someplace else)"
he can be somebody elses problem the next several years on how to win with him.

but its not just giannis. its all of em. just trade em all.....ill take the gazillion picks please because these mfers ships have sailed here in milwaukee. this mess is for real. just go now

[Siefer]

I'm most impressed by how our offense now looks worse with a fully in shape Dame than it did when they were playing pickup under Griffin. Slow to get into action, less transition, less drive and kick, less 3PA, more standing around watching two guys, more post ups, more ISO. We're running a 2010 offense and that's on Doc.

[StickeeFingaz]

I’m tired of the quotes from Giannis talking about effort. I just watched you walk around on defense, not dive for a loose ball, and get caught ball watching.

Sorry, but being the leader means you don’t get a night off on defense. And if you’re not doing it, then you don’t get to point fingers at others.

[fan230]

There is no evidence that Giannis wanted Bud fired.



There is evidence that Giannis preferred Griff over Nurse.

[fan230]

Bucks with Doc are 2-7

Suns with their nee coach Bud are 8-1.

Celtics with Jrue are champs. Bucks with Dame are 2-7.

[fan230]

Why are we so bad? A primary answer is there if one focuses on the glaring disaster; here it is from an espn article:


“.The point-of-attack defense, which hasn't been the same since the team acquired star guard Damian Lillard and dealt stopper Jrue Holiday ahead of the 2023-24 season, is among the NBA's most vulnerable. Entering Friday, the Bucks ranked 28th of 30 teams in defending pick-and-roll ball handlers (only Atlanta and Detroit have struggled more on a per-possession basis). “


Unless we correct this, we are doomed. We were beaten by Indiana last yeaR because of this. Today we are being destroyed because of this.

Maybe it is time to think of trading Dame for a good return. And we will get a good return.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

There is no evidence that Giannis wanted Bud fired.

There is evidence that Giannis preferred Griff over Nurse.

you mean evidence like him directly saying that to the media?

of course youre right.

the idea he picked the next coach but had no impact on the bud decision is comical tho. there is not even the slightest possibility he wasnt behind bud leaving. maybe he wasnt directly behind it.. i can believe that. i doubt he stormed into an office.... but the idea he wasnt letting it be known he wanted a change and others along with him or even that hed support it.... well thats an absurd proposition.

to think he wasnt involved considering how that entire summer played out afterwards as he played full on chicken with our front office with his contract situation after he tacitly or directly dumped bud and demanded a move for somebody like dame..... just how can you even believe this isnt gm giannis's doing in large part.

the larger point is now we suck. and when i say suck..... like.... we suck. players dont like each other like before and they dont even play hard. this mess is over.

if we blow this **** up now we could probs get salary relief and about 10-15 1st round picks the next 5-7 years. seriously...bring it on

[theFireBlanket]

Bucks with Doc are 2-7

Suns with their nee coach Bud are 8-1.

Celtics with Jrue are champs. Bucks with Dame are 2-7.

[fansinceforever]

The problem with this team is everything. Giannis shares blame but go down the checklist. Poor coaching, lack of scheme, lack of desire/passion, inability to guard anyone individually or as a team, lack of athleticism or speed, lack of playmakers, not great shooters, bottom 1/3 management, lack of vision in management. I could go on.

We're well below .500 with Doc Rivers in almost 50 game because of these reasons. Minimum guys weren't going to change that. Neither will Khris Middleton.

[ShootingtheJ]

Dame's gotta go. Not a winning player. Not a PG. No one wins with a score first lead ball handler. Cash him in while he still has value.

[fansinceforever]

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

The problem with this team is everything. Giannis shares blame but go down the checklist. Poor coaching, lack of scheme, lack of desire/passion, lack of ability to gaurd individually or as a team, lack of athleticism or speed, lack of playmakers, not great shooters, bottom 1/3 management, lack of vision in management. I could go on.

We're well below .500 with Doc Rivers in almost 50 game because of these reasons. Minimum guys weren't going to change that. Neither will Khris Middleton.

giannis teams before bud and after bud all have had the issues that i bolded.

prior to bud giannis wasnt playing gm and we got bud and got our chip. we overcame these issues. bud did anyway. he got the team to buy in, he had good schemes for the talent, and he played a role in player acquistion.

after bud were back to where we started except giannis has empowered himself like other superstars do with the roster building and whose allowed to be the coach

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

if giannis wants to be here then he needs to take the next step and lead the lockerroom and set the example on and off the floor. he holds that power. but hes going to have to be willing to wait out a deep reset with this roster.

thats all on him

[German Athens]

I just don’t get how we seem so much worse than we did even late last season when doc was coaching. I know we had a losing record over that whole stretch, but we got up well for some very good teams - beating Dallas in Dallas, and okc in Okc.

I think both those games were without Middleton, too. Where has that gone?

This is beyond talent and the coaches theoretical capability - it just feels rotten.

[fansinceforever]

if giannis wants to be here then he needs to take the next step and lead the lockerroom and set the example on and off the floor. he holds that power. but hes going to have to be willing to wait out a deep reset with this roster.

thats all on him

I'd agree but we can tackle that after we figure out why there's no one to set an example for. There are no good examples that end in this team being a legitimate contender.

Their ability to be that has long passed.

[aboveAverage]

We made a huge mistake firing Bud. I am willing to eat crow on this. I wanted him fired because I thought he was holding us back in the playoffs. Turns out Bud was lifting us up and was the only reason we were competitive enough to expect championships in the first place.

I didn't want Jrue traded, but I fully understand that trade. Horst had to do something with our windowing closing. He traded for someone we thought was a superstar. Turns out that Dame is a good player but not at that level anymore. That was a reasonable risk to take though.

Now how do we get out of this mess? Do we blow it all up? Try to trade Dame and Khris and rebuild on the fly? I would prefer the latter, along with firing Doc. However, we won't be able to attract a major talent like Bud this time. We are not good enough for that anymore.