PG Charlotte: Loss

[fan230]

Not likely Giannis is ever going to block out consistently but team as a whole needs to give better effort on the boards. Giving up so many off rebounds is infuriating.

The longer rebounds seem to very often go straight into the hands of the opponent players; has happened against multiple opponents. I have no idea why this happens so often since rebound directions should theoretically be in random directions and not go straight into an opponent player.

[-Jragon-]

We'd be REALLY GOOD if we had real coaches who didn't just let guys do whatever they want..

Imagine GS running that as their last play of the game down 1

Not going to say I'm thrilled with Doc, but why do we just assume the coaches tell Giannis to do these things?

Kinda amazing that you reiterate my point, yet still miss it.

Because a real coach would have told him what to do and it wouldn't have been that.

[-Jragon-]

Charles Lee knows how to defend Giannis. Barreling into the paint wasn't an option this game. That's why he had so many assists.

Yes

That was so clear all game. Lee had 5 players in paint whenever Giannis played.

Giannis was great tonight. Didnt force and adjusted to that Lee strategy.

Posters who complain that Giannis didnt score enough clearly dont understand basketball.

The mid range shots were ugly and dumb. I get trying a heat check during the flow of the game but he did and he wasn't -- catch lower with pump fakes.. if they crash find a cutter and get a better shot.

[-Jragon-]

There were two dudes plus Grant waiting to help in the paint. The options were 1) Giannis barrel to the rim out of control against multiple defenders 2) Giannis jumper 3) open 3 from the wing. Latter two are probably both 40% looks. With Middleton on vacation and Dame head injury we couldn't do much better

There's almost too much wrong with this post to count. I will anyways:

1. Shooting a 3 when we're down 1 is BAD --- 65%+ that's an L

2. GA just missed 4 straight from that spot, so anyone else in the floor shooting a 2 is better

3. Hey, how about a coach call a play and get someone moving towards the hoop

4. Pat just made 2 straight.. Bobby was on fire underneath

5. GA closer to the hoop doing pump and pass fakes is better

Basically, there were tons of better options

Shooting a 3 isn't a non-starter if it's wide open. Bobby is a ~ 40% shooter in a contested midrange spot there, because he isn't being left wide open.

Making your decision off what happened the last few plays before it is such hilarious logic. Yeah we should have had Pat chuck a jumper because he hit an open 3 and made a touch contested layup off a hand off by Giannis

Yes it is a non-starter.. it's simple math man stop it. NBA league average for 3s is 39%.. NBA league average for 2s is 54% .... wtf would you do something less than 40% likely to work just to win by 2 instead of 1? Even YMCA dudes know things like this. Of course our braindead coaches don't and couldn't run a play to get someone an open shot to the hoop.

Your point about Bobby over Pat is valid if you mean we should have iso-ed him... but also he's not Kobe.. the moment probably freezes him a little. I mentioned Pat because he was winning his match up in a Kerr/Jordan type vibe with Giannis-- maybe use that as a distraction and get something inside.. you know the ref was going to give us a makeup call if we go in there. It's idiot basketball not to get something to the hoop there.

[-Jragon-]

Not likely Giannis is ever going to block out consistently but team as a whole needs to give better effort on the boards. Giving up so many off rebounds is infuriating.

The longer rebounds seem to very often go straight into the hands of the opponent players; has happened against multiple opponents. I have no idea why this happens so often since rebound directions should theoretically be in random directions and not go straight into an opponent player.

Sloppy teams jack up sloppy long bs shots and those rebounds can go anywhere.. even if you block out perfectly those can luckily bounce keep going to them.. also their team is used to how there own guys miss... when my son shoots from the corner he's usually long so I start moving that way before it even hits the ring and guess right often enough. We don't have any Rodman type rebounders that watch tape and see how dudes miss and read that bounce before the ball hits rim.. although TP looked like he was reading something or just anticipated they miss short a lot

[rilamann]

We’re learning that Giannis plus four replacement players *can’t* win 50 games.

Yup, break Dame in to 3 good players, and we roll.

Break Dame into even just 2 good players and the Bucks would be instantly better. But you probably could get 3 good players for him.

Dame is one of the most overrated players in the league history. But we could also use that fact to our advantage. We will be fools if we don't.

[randy84]

We’re learning that Giannis plus four replacement players *can’t* win 50 games.

Yup, break Dame in to 3 good players, and we roll.

Break Dame into even just 2 good players and the Bucks would be instantly better. But you probably could get 3 good players for him.

Dame is one of the most overrated players in the league history. But we could also use that fact to our advantage. We will be fools if we don't.

You could turn Middleton into two starters who actually play and be infinitely better also.

[ReddoverKobe]

Yup, break Dame in to 3 good players, and we roll.

Break Dame into even just 2 good players and the Bucks would be instantly better. But you probably could get 3 good players for him.

Dame is one of the most overrated players in the league history. But we could also use that fact to our advantage. We will be fools if we don't.

You could turn Middleton into two starters who actually play and be infinitely better also.

Can you? Whats a realistic trade for Middelton look like for you and what is that team?

On a side note if you google khris ESPN has a picture of Prince lol.

[MickeyDavis]

I can't imagine trading Khris for 2 good starters. Or even one. He has no value right now. He needs to show he can still play.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yup, break Dame in to 3 good players, and we roll.

Break Dame into even just 2 good players and the Bucks would be instantly better. But you probably could get 3 good players for him.

Dame is one of the most overrated players in the league history. But we could also use that fact to our advantage. We will be fools if we don't.

You could turn Middleton into two starters who actually play and be infinitely better also.

Not in the playoffs

[randy84]

Break Dame into even just 2 good players and the Bucks would be instantly better. But you probably could get 3 good players for him.

Dame is one of the most overrated players in the league history. But we could also use that fact to our advantage. We will be fools if we don't.

You could turn Middleton into two starters who actually play and be infinitely better also.

Can you? Whats a realistic trade for Middelton look like for you and what is that team?

On a side note if you google khris ESPN has a picture of Prince lol.

How about Mids for Caruso and Dort? OKC gets a vet with playoff experience. Bucks get some defenders and under the 2nd apron. Also, don't have to worry about whether or not he will pick up his PO or if you have to extend him.

[randy84]

Or you could try and take on a bad contract and get a young player. Something like Collins and Kessler for Mids. Then it frees you up to get rid of Brook and/or Bobby for a starting SG/SF.

[ShootingtheJ]

Or you could try and take on a bad contract and get a young player. Something like Collins and Kessler for Mids. Then it frees you up to get rid of Brook and/or Bobby for a starting SG/SF.

So the new center can't shoot one bit, and a SF you get for Brook or Bobby?

That makes us significantly worse.

[ReddoverKobe]

You could turn Middleton into two starters who actually play and be infinitely better also.

Can you? Whats a realistic trade for Middelton look like for you and what is that team?

On a side note if you google khris ESPN has a picture of Prince lol.

How about Mids for Caruso and Dort? OKC gets a vet with playoff experience. Bucks get some defenders and under the 2nd apron. Also, don't have to worry about whether or not he will pick up his PO or if you have to extend him.

There is no chance in hell OKC would ever consider that.

[randy84]

How about Mids for Caruso and Dort? OKC gets a vet with playoff experience. Bucks get some defenders and under the 2nd apron. Also, don't have to worry about whether or not he will pick up his PO or if you have to extend him.

There is no chance in hell OKS would ever consider that.

So on the one hand Middleton is a playoff God and the answer to the Bucks championship dreams, but on the other hand OKC wouldn't even consider him for Caruso and Dort?

One of these fanbases is living in LaLa Land.

[rayallenscalves]

Not likely Giannis is ever going to block out consistently but team as a whole needs to give better effort on the boards. Giving up so many off rebounds is infuriating.

The longer rebounds seem to very often go straight into the hands of the opponent players; has happened against multiple opponents. I have no idea why this happens so often since rebound directions should theoretically be in random directions and not go straight into an opponent player.

Brook's overall effort on actually securing the rebound is almost non-existent. I beg him to just try to grab the ball. I get his whole thing is boxing out so others can get the rebound, but he needs to start just grabbing the ball himself. He continues to just watch the ball fall to the court or into the hands of the offense.

[ReasonablySober]

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Who even has "No homo" in their vocabulary in 2024? Weirdo.

[emunney]

You get Giannis the ball at the FT line and the worst case scenario is basically the shot we got, which is at least a shot. If Grant Williams crowds him or leaves his front foot exposed, Giannis is going to the line at minimum. If they aren't helping down on both sides, Giannis probably still goes. Charlotte defended it well and our best player missed a shot. That is not problematic. With 7 seconds left the first priority is to get *a* shot. You have time for one action and Charlotte's going to sell out to prevent anything going to the basket.

[ReddoverKobe]

How about Mids for Caruso and Dort? OKC gets a vet with playoff experience. Bucks get some defenders and under the 2nd apron. Also, don't have to worry about whether or not he will pick up his PO or if you have to extend him.

There is no chance in hell OKS would ever consider that.

So on the one hand Middleton is a playoff God and the answer to the Bucks championship dreams, but on the other hand OKC wouldn't even consider him for Caruso and Dort?

One of these fanbases is living in LaLa Land.

Yes, the one that thinks Middelton is ever coming back to be a solid rotation piece that can be counted on

[ShootingtheJ]

There's almost too much wrong with this post to count. I will anyways:

1. Shooting a 3 when we're down 1 is BAD --- 65%+ that's an L

2. GA just missed 4 straight from that spot, so anyone else in the floor shooting a 2 is better

3. Hey, how about a coach call a play and get someone moving towards the hoop

4. Pat just made 2 straight.. Bobby was on fire underneath

5. GA closer to the hoop doing pump and pass fakes is better

Basically, there were tons of better options

Shooting a 3 isn't a non-starter if it's wide open. Bobby is a ~ 40% shooter in a contested midrange spot there, because he isn't being left wide open.

Making your decision off what happened the last few plays before it is such hilarious logic. Yeah we should have had Pat chuck a jumper because he hit an open 3 and made a touch contested layup off a hand off by Giannis

Yes it is a non-starter.. it's simple math man stop it. NBA league average for 3s is 39%.. NBA league average for 2s is 54% ...

2 things you need to do here are: Take out transition buckets, and then figure in whether shots are contested. Both will change your odds rather dramatically