PG Rockets - Streak Stopped at 4

[BigO]

Three points:

1) Some posters obsession with athleticism borders on the absurd. The Bucks won the championship with one athletic guy. Give me basketball skills before athleticism every time.

2) The only way trading KM makes sense is if they determined he wouldn't be available for the playoffs. That I can live with. If it was because Kuzma is more athletic, Horst should be fired.

3) The Bucks miss BP's consistency in rebounding and scoring big-time. For those who wanted to trade him (many of you), you now have a glimpse of the void. We've beaten some bad teams. Let's see what the next few weeks bring.

[ShootingtheJ]

We got good Kuz for the first 4-5 games. This game we got the bad Kuz. I guess I’ll take that ratio all things considered.

Good Kuzma? He has a 51TS% and is -.02 VORP as a Buck. His on/off is -3.3.

I appreciate he's played defense, but he has absolutely sucked.

Lol, classic. Regardless of your weird obsession with VORP, Kuzma has been an objectively good addition since the trade up until this game. This coming from a dude who couldn't have hated his game any more when he was in Washington.

His game has been exactly the same as in Washington unfortunately.

[msiris]

I appreciate what Kuzma and KPJ have brought to the team, but the idea of having both those dudes out there in the closing lineup has a little too much YOLO shot-chucking potential for my liking. I think you have your ideal grouping with Dame/Green/Kuzma/Giannis/Brook, but the question still remains, who's that 5th guy you want closing in matchups where you gotta yank Brook off the floor? That's one of the things they need to figure out.

You worry about their chucking when Dame has the sae problem. His shot selection can be horrible in crunch time.

[msiris]

Good Kuzma? He has a 51TS% and is -.02 VORP as a Buck. His on/off is -3.3.

I appreciate he's played defense, but he has absolutely sucked.

Lol, classic. Regardless of your weird obsession with VORP, Kuzma has been an objectively good addition since the trade up until this game. This coming from a dude who couldn't have hated his game any more when he was in Washington.

His game has been exactly the same as in Washington unfortunately.

Not completly true. Volume is down.

[Ron Swanson]

Good Kuzma? He has a 51TS% and is -.02 VORP as a Buck. His on/off is -3.3.

I appreciate he's played defense, but he has absolutely sucked.

Lol, classic. Regardless of your weird obsession with VORP, Kuzma has been an objectively good addition since the trade up until this game. This coming from a dude who couldn't have hated his game any more when he was in Washington.

His game has been exactly the same as in Washington unfortunately.

Not surprising that you think this if all you're gonna do is stare at BasketballReference.com.

[Wonka]

I’m confused as to how Kuzma is being graded as being objectively good? He’s been good on defense, but he’s a train wreck on the other end of the ball. Highly inefficient, not a very good ball handler or creator for others, has been pretty turnover prone, is inconsistent from the line, and makes baffling low IQ choices now that he’s trying to shape up on a winning team.

It’s great to buy into the trade. Whatever. Not much of a choice in the matter. But to state that Kuzma is some sort of game changer when we’ve barely been beating bad teams is a joke lol. He’s been wildly mediocre on offense, and his defense isn’t changing games. Especially in the playoffs.

[Bernman]

AJ Green was really good, and finally played 33 minutes. More of that please.

But missed two wide open threes down the stretch. I worry about him in the playoffs, he seems to shrink as the moments get more important. He's young so I'm trying to have patience with that, but some players just don't perform in crunch time of big games.

Last 5 minutes, score w/in 5 or less, his fg % is 60, 60 from 3. It's a small sample, but your basis for the opposite, ironic argument.
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1631260/traditional?Split=clutch

Worth noting he came up big in the NBA Cup Final. Last season he didn't hit in the playoffs. There' are some well-founded concerns about that, but not beyond, & it's not uncommon to struggle your 1st playoffs before turning it around.

[msiris]

Three points:

1) Some posters obsession with athleticism borders on the absurd. The Bucks won the championship with one athletic guy. Give me basketball skills before athleticism every time.

2) The only way trading KM makes sense is if they determined he wouldn't be available for the playoffs. That I can live with. If it was because Kuzma is more athletic, Horst should be fired.

3) The Bucks miss BP's consistency in rebounding and scoring big-time. For those who wanted to trade him (many of you), you now have a glimpse of the void. We've beaten some bad teams. Let's see what the next few weeks bring.

We weren't contenders before the deadline and we aren't now. Before the deadline we weren't beating bad teams to begin with. Baby steps

[Ron Swanson]

I appreciate what Kuzma and KPJ have brought to the team, but the idea of having both those dudes out there in the closing lineup has a little too much YOLO shot-chucking potential for my liking. I think you have your ideal grouping with Dame/Green/Kuzma/Giannis/Brook, but the question still remains, who's that 5th guy you want closing in matchups where you gotta yank Brook off the floor? That's one of the things they need to figure out.

You worry about their chucking when Dame has the sae problem. His shot selection can be horrible in crunch time.

Sure, so can Brook and so can Giannis'. I'll still live with those guys taking those shots because they've proven time and again that they're clutch and completely capable of making plays when they matter more often than not. Under no circumstances though, should Kyle Kuzma be the #2 shot attempt guy in the final 5-minutes of a tight game when this roster has all its guys available.

[Baddy Chuck]

3) The Bucks miss BP's consistency in rebounding and scoring big-time. For those who wanted to trade him (many of you), you now have a glimpse of the void. We've beaten some bad teams. Let's see what the next few weeks bring.

Speaking for myself, I certainly didn't see Kyle Kuzma as the deadline move to complete the team which definitely left holes that we need Bobby to fill more than ever, to whatever ability he can. Timing of his suspension sucks big time, fitting him into this "new" roster is something we needed to see in the next couple months. Still have all the same reservations about him that I did before but yeah, he's definitely needed right now.

[fansinceforever]

Ideally the 5th guy is KPJ. Brook will get played off the floor.

The Bucks need another guy to create for himself and others. I understand how ridiculous it is that KPJ is who we're relying on but he is the single person that presents the upside to get there. That and he can defend.

[msiris]

I appreciate what Kuzma and KPJ have brought to the team, but the idea of having both those dudes out there in the closing lineup has a little too much YOLO shot-chucking potential for my liking. I think you have your ideal grouping with Dame/Green/Kuzma/Giannis/Brook, but the question still remains, who's that 5th guy you want closing in matchups where you gotta yank Brook off the floor? That's one of the things they need to figure out.

You worry about their chucking when Dame has the sae problem. His shot selection can be horrible in crunch time.

Sure, so can Brook and so can Giannis'. I'll still live with those guys taking those shots because they've proven time and again that they're clutch and completely capable of making plays when they matter more often than not. Under no circumstances though, should Kyle Kuzma be the #2 shot attempt guy in the final 5-minutes of a tight game.

Agree but maybe our studs shouldn't go into full blown iso mode and make plays in other ways.

[BigO]

Kuzma's offensive numbers are not good by any standard. For the Bucks, he's shooting 41.7%, 29.3% on threes, and an assist to turnover ratio of 1:1. Those are horrible numbers.

If Portis had those numbers, he'd be skewered on here.

As for defense, posters can claim whatever they want, since it's all pretty subjective. I'm not throwing Kuzma under the bus. But at least on offense, he has been pretty much as expected. Inefficient and not a good decision maker.

[emunney]

I appreciate what Kuzma and KPJ have brought to the team, but the idea of having both those dudes out there in the closing lineup has a little too much YOLO shot-chucking potential for my liking. I think you have your ideal grouping with Dame/Green/Kuzma/Giannis/Brook, but the question still remains, who's that 5th guy you want closing in matchups where you gotta yank Brook off the floor? That's one of the things they need to figure out.

You worry about their chucking when Dame has the sae problem. His shot selection can be horrible in crunch time.

Sure, so can Brook and so can Giannis'. I'll still live with those guys taking those shots because they've proven time and again that they're clutch and completely capable of making plays when they matter more often than not. Under no circumstances though, should Kyle Kuzma be the #2 shot attempt guy in the final 5-minutes of a tight game.

Ultimately, I hated that both Dame and Brook took long 3s, but also, if you assume that's a 30% shot, it's basically a coin flip on making at least one of them. It's not as good as taking two good shots, but it beats the hell out of not taking two shots.

[msiris]

I’m confused as to how Kuzma is being graded as being objectively good? He’s been good on defense, but he’s a train wreck on the other end of the ball. Highly inefficient, not a very good ball handler or creator for others, has been pretty turnover prone, is inconsistent from the line, and makes baffling low IQ choices now that he’s trying to shape up on a winning team.

It’s great to buy into the trade. Whatever. Not much of a choice in the matter. But to state that Kuzma is some sort of game changer when we’ve barely been beating bad teams is a joke lol. He’s been wildly mediocre on offense, and his defense isn’t changing games. Especially in the playoffs.

He hasn't been a total train wreck on the floor. Shooting 50% from two. Shouldn't be shooting 5 threes a game and not in crunch time.

[msiris]

You worry about their chucking when Dame has the sae problem. His shot selection can be horrible in crunch time.

Sure, so can Brook and so can Giannis'. I'll still live with those guys taking those shots because they've proven time and again that they're clutch and completely capable of making plays when they matter more often than not. Under no circumstances though, should Kyle Kuzma be the #2 shot attempt guy in the final 5-minutes of a tight game.

Ultimately, I hated that both Dame and Brook took long 3s, but also, if you assume that's a 30% shot, it's basically a coin flip on making at least one of them. It's not as good as taking two good shots, but it beats the hell out of not taking two shots.

You know a coin flip is 50/50 rght ¿ Lol. Its more about the quality of the three. Rather have a 24 footer from Green than a 30 footer from Dame or Brook.

[Ron Swanson]

You worry about their chucking when Dame has the sae problem. His shot selection can be horrible in crunch time.

Sure, so can Brook and so can Giannis'. I'll still live with those guys taking those shots because they've proven time and again that they're clutch and completely capable of making plays when they matter more often than not. Under no circumstances though, should Kyle Kuzma be the #2 shot attempt guy in the final 5-minutes of a tight game.

Ultimately, I hated that both Dame and Brook took long 3s, but also, if you assume that's a 30% shot, it's basically a coin flip on making at least one of them. It's not as good as taking two good shots, but it beats the hell out of not taking two shots.

I think people still cling to this faulty notion that there's always going to be a "good shot" available to take in these kind of situations, but that's hardly ever the case against a Top-3 defense on the road. It is what is. Even that last shot was a "good look" for a guy like Dame and one he's converted countless times before. He's actually been pretty good at still being impactful this season with his passing/play-making when his shot isn't falling, but he was bad tonight.

The Dame/Giannis/Kuzma 3-man game needs work and Kuz specifically needs to be better at being the connecting passer in those late game situations instead of just going hero-ball. That's what you hope he can figure out at least.

[German Athens]

Sure, so can Brook and so can Giannis'. I'll still live with those guys taking those shots because they've proven time and again that they're clutch and completely capable of making plays when they matter more often than not. Under no circumstances though, should Kyle Kuzma be the #2 shot attempt guy in the final 5-minutes of a tight game.

Ultimately, I hated that both Dame and Brook took long 3s, but also, if you assume that's a 30% shot, it's basically a coin flip on making at least one of them. It's not as good as taking two good shots, but it beats the hell out of not taking two shots.

You know a coin flip is 50/50 rght ¿ Lol. Its more about the quality of the three. Rather have a 24 footer from Green than a 30 footer from Dame or Brook.

Dawg, if we’re calling those 30% shots, then there’s a 70% chance of missing, but you take 2 shots.

70%x70% = 49% which would be the likelihood of missing both those shots, so it’s slightly better than 50/50 that you’ll make at least one, so “basically a coin flip” is right.


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[msiris]

Kuzma's offensive numbers are not good by any standard. For the Bucks, he's shooting 41.7%, 29.3% on threes, and an assist to turnover ratio of 1:1. Those are horrible numbers.

If Portis had those numbers, he'd be skewered on here.

As for defense, posters can claim whatever they want, since it's all pretty subjective. I'm not throwing Kuzma under the bus. But at least on offense, he has been pretty much as expected. Inefficient and not a good decision maker.

But it's is 3pt shot thats killing him. No one said he is even close to Mids offensivley.

[BigO]

Someone posted this yesterday.

And just to be clear again, I don't trust defensive metrics for a variety of reasons.

But for those who do, this shows Kuzma as pretty bad defensively, as well as other metrics (in an admittedly short window). But for those praisng his defense, at least it might give some pause.

And to add fuel to the fire, Liilard is listed as the worst Buck defender.

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612749/players-advanced?dir=D&sort=AST_PCT