Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[DingleJerry]

I guess one thing to note after looking at a quick summary on the upcoming swaps. If MKE were to trade Giannis and be bad next year, NOP also seems likely to bad. So even in a swap you're likely just losing a few spots. Heck, MKE could be bad and NO is even worse. The 28 is more complicated, but teams involved being Por and WAS both seem good chances of also being poor. That one is confusing with a lot of moving parts though. 27 is the risky one. 29 and beyond of course are too, but if you can't make yourself competent in 3 years well then you kind of deserve to take your lumps

[Ron Swanson]

We "sucked" this year relative to expectations and yet we still won 48-games. I wouldn't call being 2-games away from a 50-win season "flirting" with .500, but you can bet we're not sniffing a .500 record next season without Giannis unless you do that Cleveland deal for Garland and Mobley. We're gonna need to look at that last Pelicans pick and the Portland picks as sunk cost at this point. Don't let the media gaslight the fanbase into thinking we should dilute the Giannis return by looping in those teams and just be happy with the **** sandwich asset platter on top of "getting our picks back".

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

We "sucked" this year relative to expectations and yet we still won 48-games. I wouldn't call being 2-games away from a 50-win season "flirting" with .500, but you can bet we're not sniffing a .500 record next season without Giannis unless you do that Cleveland deal for Garland and Mobley. We're gonna need to look at that last Pelicans pick and the Portland picks as sunk cost at this point. Don't let the media gaslight the fanbase into thinking we should dilute the Giannis return by looping in those teams and just be happy with the **** sandwich asset platter on top of "getting our picks back".

and dame blew his achilles. how in the world you could make an entire post about the state of things and not bring that small fact up i have no words

like the celtics were odds on favorites to win and had a pretty good season too. then that little thing happened for them as well. kinda changes things dont you think?

edit.... agree wholeheartedly with the "our picks back thing". screw our picks. were only missing two after this year. thats it. TWO. big deal. the swap stuff is insignficant. were dealing with crappier teams then wed be most likely. it would be nuts those two were significantly worse. in fact that theyre being swapped means we actually get to try and win for a few years and not have to be utah or charlotte or some garbage.

get the most picks and talent now. thats a thing. lotsa picks and guys with actual nba tape. swaps wont matter and the two picks were out wont either

[Ron Swanson]

We "sucked" this year relative to expectations and yet we still won 48-games. I wouldn't call being 2-games away from a 50-win season "flirting" with .500, but you can bet we're not sniffing a .500 record next season without Giannis unless you do that Cleveland deal for Garland and Mobley. We're gonna need to look at that last Pelicans pick and the Portland picks as sunk cost at this point. Don't let the media gaslight the fanbase into thinking we should dilute the Giannis return by looping in those teams and just be happy with the **** sandwich asset platter on top of "getting our picks back".

and dame blew his achilles. how in the world you could make an entire post about the state of things and not bring that small fact up i have no words

like the celtics were odds on favorites to win and had a pretty good season too. then that little thing happened for them as well. kinda changes things dont you think?

Probably also fair to point out that Dame missed nearly 30-games this season. But I don't know what you're arguing here. Don't think anyone is expecting this team to win 50-games next year even with Giannis. You're the one that's acting like a complete rebuild isn't gonna firmly place us back in bottom-10 lottery territory (at best) and I think most people would agree that's a bigger pipe dream than us being a Conference Finals participant next season.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

We "sucked" this year relative to expectations and yet we still won 48-games. I wouldn't call being 2-games away from a 50-win season "flirting" with .500, but you can bet we're not sniffing a .500 record next season without Giannis unless you do that Cleveland deal for Garland and Mobley. We're gonna need to look at that last Pelicans pick and the Portland picks as sunk cost at this point. Don't let the media gaslight the fanbase into thinking we should dilute the Giannis return by looping in those teams and just be happy with the **** sandwich asset platter on top of "getting our picks back".

and dame blew his achilles. how in the world you could make an entire post about the state of things and not bring that small fact up i have no words

like the celtics were odds on favorites to win and had a pretty good season too. then that little thing happened for them as well. kinda changes things dont you think?

Probably also fair to point out that Dame missed nearly 30-games this season. But I don't know what you're arguing here. Don't think anyone is expecting this team to win 50-games next year even with Giannis. You're the one that's acting like a complete rebuild isn't gonna firmly place us back in bottom-10 lottery territory and I think most people would agree that's a bigger pipe dream than us being a Conference Finals participant next season.

if we traded giannis for the right package of ready made talent we could be comparable. a FTD type of atmosphere with a brunson level guy is what seems to rule this league these days. thats what im arguing. weve underperformed every single season of his career if we didnt have a great system and a loaded roster around him.

if he got hurt midseason pushing like a mf'er with a blown achilles which seems to be the trend it could shift the the outlook of the franchise for decades.

until you see what teams are offering there is no way to argue this point either way with any great authority either. lets wait and see

as stated i love your point about "our picks". they should not be of any additional priority when seeking a package. on that we are of very like mind

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

kpj/rollins
gtj/ajg
j williams/patc
portis/kuzma
holmgren/sims

bunch of random okc picks

or replace with garland and mobley....... or brunson and our 2nd choice....or etc etc etc

giannis for 22yo holmgren and 24 yo williams and picks. i cant argue wholeheartedly were not better than we'd be with giannis......especially if we used those picks for even more talent now. those other options either....

youd have to be an absolute moron to not cnsider deals like this. id lose sleep over it if these types of moves were actually offered

[CharityStripe34]

and dame blew his achilles. how in the world you could make an entire post about the state of things and not bring that small fact up i have no words

like the celtics were odds on favorites to win and had a pretty good season too. then that little thing happened for them as well. kinda changes things dont you think?

Probably also fair to point out that Dame missed nearly 30-games this season. But I don't know what you're arguing here. Don't think anyone is expecting this team to win 50-games next year even with Giannis. You're the one that's acting like a complete rebuild isn't gonna firmly place us back in bottom-10 lottery territory and I think most people would agree that's a bigger pipe dream than us being a Conference Finals participant next season.

if we traded giannis for the right package of ready made talent we could be comparable. a FTD type of atmosphere with a brunson level guy is what seems to rule this league these days. thats what im arguing. weve underperformed every single season of his career if we didnt have a great system and a loaded roster around him.

if he got hurt midseason pushing like a mf'er with a blown achilles which seems to be the trend it could shift the the outlook of the franchise for decades.

until you see what teams are offering there is no way to argue this point either way with any great authority either. lets wait and see

as stated i love your point about "our picks". they should not be of any additional priority when seeking a package. on that we are of very like mind

Counterpoint. With a Prime Giannis and some possible roster tweaks, not to mention threatening Doc to run contemporary hoops, the Bucks aren't that far from a possible conference finals berth (with luck of course). I mean yeah we had to secure the 5 spot over Detroit but were four wins from the 3 seed as well. It's all relative.

And with teams eager to shed salary who know what may present itself before the deadline? Or even the buyout market.

Either way, if he doesn't ask out just make tweaks and push more toward a pace/space offense. If he does then Yea get the best available offer and make sure it's a haul.

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Probably also fair to point out that Dame missed nearly 30-games this season. But I don't know what you're arguing here. Don't think anyone is expecting this team to win 50-games next year even with Giannis. You're the one that's acting like a complete rebuild isn't gonna firmly place us back in bottom-10 lottery territory and I think most people would agree that's a bigger pipe dream than us being a Conference Finals participant next season.

if we traded giannis for the right package of ready made talent we could be comparable. a FTD type of atmosphere with a brunson level guy is what seems to rule this league these days. thats what im arguing. weve underperformed every single season of his career if we didnt have a great system and a loaded roster around him.

if he got hurt midseason pushing like a mf'er with a blown achilles which seems to be the trend it could shift the the outlook of the franchise for decades.

until you see what teams are offering there is no way to argue this point either way with any great authority either. lets wait and see

as stated i love your point about "our picks". they should not be of any additional priority when seeking a package. on that we are of very like mind

Counterpoint. With a Prime Giannis and some possible roster tweaks, not to mention threatening Doc to run contemporary hoops, the Bucks aren't that far from a possible conference finals berth (with luck of course). I mean yeah we had to secure the 5 spot over Detroit but were four wins from the 3 seed as well. It's all relative.

And with teams eager to shed salary who know what may present itself before the deadline? Or even the buyout market.

Either way, if he doesn't ask out just make tweaks and push more toward a pace/space offense. If he does then Yea get the best available offer and make sure it's a haul.

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100% agree with you here. its why ive argued the win win situation were in.

if we keep giannis and we fail with the modern look we can deal him at the deadline or next offseason
if we trade him for a baller package we can really enjoy bucks basketball a different way

im excited no matter what. the only risk is he blows his achilles like every other overworked star in this league that to me is the tipping point. it would be armageddon

[CharityStripe34]

Bite your tongue on that one though.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Bite your tongue on that one though.

overworked stars with a little age my friend. its not just always bad luck. i think his gumby days are over in fact. i get nervous every time he plays

[LUKE23]

It really depends on what your goals are. Can they build a top 6 seed with GA, Doc, and filling in what holes they can with the limited resources they have available? Probably. Can they contend for a title doing that? No, they cannot realistically. If you believe, like I do, that Dame is done being a useful player based on age/injury, and your plan is to keep GA, you are basically fine with a two-year holding pattern where the realistic goal isn't a title, then hoping to cash in in the summer of 2027 in FA to add to a 32-year old GA (33 in December of that season). We simply do not have the cap space, trade assets, or draft picks within the next two seasons to legitimately put a title team around GA.

Trading him would definitely still depend on the return and you hold out for the house, but I think they would get an absolute ridiculous haul that would give us a pretty damn good start on a rebuild.

[EasyE31]

Maybe we are overthinking this...

Is it as simple as Dame & 31 1st for KD?

Is Pheonix getting a better offer for 1 year of KD? Are the Bucks getting a better player in exchange for that pick / getting off Dame?

KD coming might be enough to convince some role players to take cheap deals.

KPJ / Rollins
Trent / Green
KD / Vet Min / Pat
Giannis / Kuzma
Bobby / Sims

Thats a VERY competitive roster in what is a wide open East next season.

[Profound23]

Maybe we are overthinking this...

Is it as simple as Dame & 31 1st for KD?

Is Pheonix getting a better offer for 1 year of KD? Are the Bucks getting a better player in exchange for that pick / getting off Dame?

KD coming might be enough to convince some role players to take cheap deals.

KPJ / Rollins
Trent / Green
KD / Vet Min / Pat
Giannis / Kuzma
Bobby / Sims

Thats a VERY competitive roster in what is a wide open East next season.

I considered something like this but I don't want to trade any more future picks and I don't think Giannis needs more ball dominant people around him. Give Giannis more 3-and-D players that you can find on a budget and keep your picks. Although I would not hate that move, especially with how weak the East is.

[EasyE31]

Maybe we are overthinking this...

Is it as simple as Dame & 31 1st for KD?

Is Pheonix getting a better offer for 1 year of KD? Are the Bucks getting a better player in exchange for that pick / getting off Dame?

KD coming might be enough to convince some role players to take cheap deals.

KPJ / Rollins
Trent / Green
KD / Vet Min / Pat
Giannis / Kuzma
Bobby / Sims

Thats a VERY competitive roster in what is a wide open East next season.

I considered something like this but I don't want to trade any more future picks and I don't think Giannis needs more ball dominant people around him. Give Giannis more 3-and-D players that you can find on a budget and keep your picks. Although I would not hate that move, especially with how weak the East is.

I think you ask KD to sign a 1 + 1 extension to get the deal done. If it doesn't work out you can trade Giannis and KD next year and you're not really worse off than you are now. Its worth taking at least one more big swing with Giannis here especially with how wide open the East is.

Plus, with him stepping into the Dame cap space it still leaves you in a decent spot after next year. On 2026 draft night you'd be off Pat's deal, Kuzma would be expiring, and you'd have 26 1st, 32 swap, and 33 1st to trade for another piece to put next to Giannis & KD.

To your other point I think KD is a different type of ball dominant than Dame is. I'd put him more in the Middleton category which we know Giannis fit nicely next to. Giannis could still bring the ball up and attack with KD playing as a secondary catch and shoot / attack option just like Khris used to. Dame never got comfortable in the catch and shoot role.

[Frank Nova]

I’m pretty sure Phoenix is a 2nd apron team and Dame and KD don’t salary match so it doesn’t work.

[emunney]

final idiot post... i could care less about our own picks. get the most picks. doesnt matter where they are. get more picks. get the most picks. prioritizing ours is of little consequence especially considering the swaps are with the freaking blazers and pelicans ffs

I also want to feel like my team is trying to put a good product on the floor. If we trade for our own picks, that's a clear signal that we're *planning* to suck butt. Prepping the ollllld butt straw

Give me players or defined near term picks.

[Ron Swanson]

I think that 99% of Dame trades are pointless but I'm wondering how close something like this would be value-wise:

MIL Out: Dame, Kuzma, 2031 1st
MIL In: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, #36

BOS Out: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, Baylor Scheierman
BOS In: Kuzma, Keon Johnson

BKN In: Dame, 2031 MIL 1st, Sheierman
BKN Out: #36, Keon Johnson

[EasyE31]

I’m pretty sure Phoenix is a 2nd apron team and Dame and KD don’t salary match so it doesn’t work.

KD is set to make $54.7m next year. Dame $54.1m. So even though Phoenix is a 2nd apron team it works. They just can't take back more than KD's salary and can't aggregate.

[FrieAaron]

Porzingis in theory is awesome next to Giannis, but his healthy might be more questionable than Dame's at this point. Do we still have any idea what he's going through?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

final idiot post... i could care less about our own picks. get the most picks. doesnt matter where they are. get more picks. get the most picks. prioritizing ours is of little consequence especially considering the swaps are with the freaking blazers and pelicans ffs

I also want to feel like my team is trying to put a good product on the floor. If we trade for our own picks, that's a clear signal that we're *planning* to suck butt. Prepping the ollllld butt straw

Give me players or defined near term picks.

you made a post some time ago where you suggested that if we trade him we get a top 5 guy in return.. that stuck with me. theres a clear win there with tht strategy or something similar.

id suggest looking at every team out there and either asking....

1. top guy and a mini reset with him.
OR
2. the #2 and #3 of crappy teams plus uber draft assets. one of those guys needs to have top guy potential......unlikely we'd agree
OR
3. the #2 and #3 of the top teams plus not uber draft assets but just a few. one of those guys needs top guy potential ....unlikely theyd agree

but maybe.... one team in this league looks at that and is like yeah sure. thats the deal we make if we know hes on the fence.

if giannis is on the fence about staying we need to protect ourselves. we cant be more interested in him retiring a buck than he is. thats where we'd be dumb