The Brandon Jennings Conundrum (Day 30)

[giraldo5]

Hi Nick

You guys are hilarious with all this nonsense talk about FO people posting here.

I like it though, has been good comedy for me as I stalked around this board for the last decade.

Don't get pouty Nick. You have a damn hard job trying to defend the FO. Feel for you and your coworkers.

[htr]

Cool you post here now, Nick. Welcome aboard! Look forward to your alternative views..

[trwi7]

I still think with a change in coaches, and his age, there is still a chance for the guy. I'd be a defiant malcontent with Skiles in my face for four years too.

LOL at Skiles being in Jennings' face. Jennings had a huge leash under Skiles, far more than he should've gotten.

[msiris]

I still think with a change in coaches, and his age, there is still a chance for the guy. I'd be a defiant malcontent with Skiles in my face for four years too.

LOL at Skiles being in Jennings' face. Jennings had a huge lease under Skiles, far more than he should've gotten.

Compared to the rest of the rookies this is true. If Harris got the same amount as BJ he still might be here.

[Hatchins]

I was expecting him to get more. That's the same deal that we gave Mayo practically.

[Bucksmaniac]

I can't wait until Sanders' production slips a bit and he remains hot-headed. Then we can start reading about people bitching about Sanders being too old, a bad character, a flawed leader, hasn't improved, blah blah we should offer him only scraps to return.

He may be hot headed, but there have yet to be any indications that he is 'me-first', no talk about wanting to get to the All-Star Game (which seems to be all Jennings talks about nowadays), and being a top shot-blocker makes up for the wing players' errors, which is good to have.

[VooDoo7]

Jennings has no leverage .

We offered a guy (Teague) 4/32. Obviously we wanted him over Jennings.

So why in the hell would we offer Brandon 4/32+??

[eagle13]

TRADE - BJ udoh ayon smith 2nd 2nd TO ORLANDO FOR nelson harkless O’Quinn moore

Nelson has a team option next year.
BJ > Nelson
Udoh < harkless
Ayon = O’Quinn
Smith = moore

SIGN FA - gary neal

ROSTER
Sanders-13 / Pachulia-5.5
Ersan-7.9 / Henson-1.9 / O’Quinn-0.8
Harkless-1.8 / Delfino-3.3 / Giannis-1.4
Mayo-8.0 / Neal-4.5 / Moore-0.9
Nelson-8.6 / Ridnour-4.4 / Wolters-1.0

PAYROLL = $61.9

[MrPerfect1]

I dont't think ORL would do that trade. Plus Harkless would basically be a future backup and would take mins away from Giannis

[Nebula1]

I can't wait until Sanders' production slips a bit and he remains hot-headed. Then we can start reading about people bitching about Sanders being too old, a bad character, a flawed leader, hasn't improved, blah blah we should offer him only scraps to return.

He may be hot headed, but there have yet to be any indications that he is 'me-first', no talk about wanting to get to the All-Star Game (which seems to be all Jennings talks about nowadays), and being a top shot-blocker makes up for the wing players' errors, which is good to have.

Sanders didn't "get it" until he was 24. Had the Bucks signed Larry when he was 19, we'd be looking at re-signing him after an explosive year getting 4/3.

[breakchains]

Jennings is a lost cause in Milwaukee. You can't cure what ails him, here. His only hope is to go to a team full of established stars and vets who put him in his place, and force him to play the type of game he should be playing. On a young team where he is the most popular player he is an unmitigated disaster. Worse yet, it infects the whole team and will make a green team fully dysfunctional. Jennings is a player I wouldn't want on the Bucks even at the league minimum.

[Baddy Chuck]

Sanders didn't "get it" until he was 24. Had the Bucks signed Larry when he was 19, we'd be looking at re-signing him after an explosive year getting 4/3.

Sanders "got it" his third year in the league. Age be damned, he is going into his fourth season.

Not to mention if you want to play that card, didn't he start playing basketball when he was like 16? Jennings was deemed a prodigy essentially at that age.

[breakchains]

that's a canard anyway, as we are talking about two totally different forms of "getting it." One is "getting it" in terms of putting his athletic ability and talent together on the floor to become a lot more effective as a basketball player. Jennings "getting it" is psychological and will not happen in Milwaukee. That's not to say he's "gotten it" as a basketball player either - don't think he will ever be much more than he is now, as he needs to finish better and think that is something that is, more often than not, a natural skill.

[SpursNBucks]

Jennings has no leverage .

We offered a guy (Teague) 4/32. Obviously we wanted him over Jennings.

So why in the hell would we offer Brandon 4/32+??

Ya, I don't really get that either. I see some people think we will still pay him $10 mil. You hear these rumors he still wants $12mil. Some people think he may go to Europe. Some say S+T and off to Detroit or Boston. Will he just take the QO and play for the contract next year?

BJ wont comment on anything- the Bucks lips are sealed. Who knows where this could go? All those options above have about an equal chance of happening- except the $12m or $10m - that has NO chance.

[SkilesTheLimit]

Hi Nick

You guys are hilarious with all this nonsense talk about FO people posting here.

I like it though, has been good comedy for me as I stalked around this board for the last decade.

Don't get pouty Nick. You have a damn hard job trying to defend the FO. Feel for you and your coworkers.

Imagine if Monroe had (select any group of 5-6 posters on here) in the BC trying to sell season tickets based on the "exciting, winning season" ahead. Give him 5 minutes and he'd be sweating like a prostitute in church.

That's got to be the toughest job in sports because to truly be a good salesman you have to believe in the product you sell or be very good at acting as though you believe in it while convincing others. A true sale is where there is a mutual benefit as an outcome. I'm still trying to figure out the benefit that the buyer receives because the bar with this organization is set so low.

[paulpressey25]

Just wonder if this goes like summer of Sessions and we are still talking about this three weeks from now.

[Baddy Chuck]

Just wonder if this goes like summer of Sessions and we are still talking about this three weeks from now.

We should just trade for Sessions and be done with the talk .

[SkilesTheLimit]

If you are in the camp that believes Ted Davis is more "in the know" than he leads on, after listening to the 4pm hour of the WSSP Big Show today, you'd walk away thinking Jennings was a goner.

He critiqued him very honestly and even pushed back when people were trying to make excuses for Brandon's lack of development.

Caller: Brandon hasn't improved because he doesn't have talented players around him.
Davis: Talented players around him wouldn't change the fact he's a 40% shooter and very streaky.

Ted went on to call him a "matador" defender and said his effort on defense has gotten worse since his rookie year as guys get past him while he is forced to then try to steal the ball chasing the opponent down.

The biggest takeaway is Davis saying that his belief is that "after 3-4 years, a player is what he is." Brandon Jennings is a guy that can go off on certain nights, but also go cold on other nights and shoot you out of a game. He's a high volume shooter and Ted thinks this is what Jennings will continue to be as a player.

He also mentioned several times that Jennings was offered $10 million per season last year in a contract extension but turned it down after seeing Holiday, Lawson and Curry get $11 million. He felt his value was more in that range, if not higher and was "promised" the sun, moon, and stars from his new agent who hyped him up and Brandon believed every word and overvalued himself. Ted also said the league has given Jennings an assessment of his worth as he doesn't have anyone knocking down his door.

I'd listen if you guys get the chance -- Davis is no Paschke (Edit: or Monroe ).

[paulpressey25]

I'd be happy to get Brandon Knight in a sign and trade and move on.

[SkilesTheLimit]

I'd be happy to get Brandon Knight in a sign and trade and move on.

I could live with that. He's under team control on his rookie contract for two more seasons before becoming a RFA. If you happened to draft a PG or a better one becomes available by trade, he's a capable backup or a guy you could peddle off if need be. At this point, the options for Brandon are so few that we take anything of value we can get.