Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[bullox]

I think some people are trying to talk their way out of taking Wiggins after waiting for years for a chance to draft him.

In the Duke/Kansas game players with 10 shots or more: http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400498246

Wiggins 9-15 22 points 8 reb 25 min
Ellis 9-13 24 points 9 reb 35 min
Selden 5-10 15 points 6 reb 37 min


Parker 9-18 27 points 9 reb 33 min
Sulaimon 5-10 13 points 1 reb 28 min


What this shows is that everyone had a good day shooting but that Kansas had more options to go to so they aren't trying to go to Wiggins as much as Duke is going to Parker.

DX has less than a 2% shooting advantage for Parker from 3 and only 2 ppg more on 2 more apg.

I don't see where Parker has a big shooting advantage.

Another thing about Kansas having more options is the fact that Kansas could focus on Parker when Duke had the ball.

[paulpressey25]

I wonder how many points score on dunks per game in the playoffs?

That's a fair point. On the other hand, think about how important defense is.

Imagine you've got a hot Chris Paul at the end of a game and you put Wiggins on him.

[Charles Lee Ray]

The more I read the more I believe wiggins is the distant 3rd in this race. He could move to 2nd of course if embiid falls down due to injury concerns. Wiggins is a bundle of unrefined athleticism and unpolished talent and he may bloom or he may just be a poor mans rudy gay. Parker is the stone cold killer who is going to score for you and really make people around him better. He works hard and his D should eventually become at least average.

Embiid of course is the best guy in the draft again is just comes back to injury concerns with him. Point being here is that the best thing that can happen is wiggins goes #1. You know the saying "all I want for christmas is a 7 footer with skills" and if he's gone take the sure thing. It seems like the consensus here is to take wigs and I have a feeling that would look bad a few years down the road.

[buckboy]

The most amazing thing in this thread is that someone likes Bill Walton.

Has to be a way to minus one this post.

NM, I'm not having this argument again.

[RandyBreuer]

The Utah board is hoping we take Embiid and trade him to them for this:

If Milwakee drafts Embiid would they trade Embiid for:

#5 and whoever they like there
Next year's pick unprotected
We take on the OJ Mayo contract
And the 2017 GSW

RealGm'ers and there fantasies.

I counter the Jazz fan with 2/Mayo/Ilyasova for 5/Kantner/Favors/Burke. On 2nd thought I would rather have Wiggins or Embiid + a top 5 pick next year.

[jwalsh52]

The more I read the more I believe wiggins is the distant 3rd in this race. He could move to 2nd of course if embiid falls down due to injury concerns. Wiggins is a bundle of unrefined athleticism and unpolished talent and he may bloom or he may just be a poor mans rudy gay. Parker is the stone cold killer who is going to score for you and really make people around him better. He works hard and his D should eventually become at least average.

Embiid of course is the best guy in the draft again is just comes back to injury concerns with him. Point being here is that the best thing that can happen is wiggins goes #1. You know the saying "all I want for christmas is a 7 footer with skills" and if he's gone take the sure thing. It seems like the consensus here is to take wigs and I have a feeling that would look bad a few years down the road.

If Parker is the stone cold killer how did Duke lose a game? Jimmer was a scorer too but when your shot goes dry if you can't play D you have nothing.

[TroyD92]

The more I read the more I believe wiggins is the distant 3rd in this race. He could move to 2nd of course if embiid falls down due to injury concerns. Wiggins is a bundle of unrefined athleticism and unpolished talent and he may bloom or he may just be a poor mans rudy gay. Parker is the stone cold killer who is going to score for you and really make people around him better. He works hard and his D should eventually become at least average.

Embiid of course is the best guy in the draft again is just comes back to injury concerns with him. Point being here is that the best thing that can happen is wiggins goes #1. You know the saying "all I want for christmas is a 7 footer with skills" and if he's gone take the sure thing. It seems like the consensus here is to take wigs and I have a feeling that would look bad a few years down the road.

If Parker is the stone cold killer how did Duke lose a game? Jimmer was a scorer too but when your shot goes dry if you can't play D you have nothing.

But, but....Alpha dog!

[paulpressey25]

Wiggins’ defense proves definitive as Kansas extinguishes upset bid

By Allan Taylor in WVU Sports | February 08, 2014 at 9:28PM
LAWRENCE, Kan. — While Andrew Wiggins dunked, spun and glided his way to 19 points, the freshman’s defense on West Virginia’s Eron Harris ultimately proved just as valuable to No. 8 Kansas.

After Harris made three consecutive 3-pointers to put the Mountaineers ahead early, Wiggins tightened up and held the WVU guard without a basket for the game’s final 31 minutes. That essentially nipped any notion of an upset, and the resulting 83-69 victory gave Kansas a two-game lead in the Big 12 standings.

“After he hit those three 3s, I had to guard him closer and be more aggressive,” said the 6-foot-8 Wiggins, who’s five-inch advantage helped close out the perimeter looks by Harris. “I tried to turn him into a driver instead of a shooter.”

Harris still managed 17 points—scoring his final eight points at the foul line—but missed his last six shots from the floor as West Virginia 14-10, 6-5) went cold from 3-point range and saw its three-game winning streak clipped.

“Wiggins did a great job,” said West Virginia coach Bob Huggins. “It crippled us today because Terry (Henderson) didn’t do what he typically does, and Remi (Dibo) didn’t make any. It was hard to score.”

[DanoMac]

Cavs fans are high comedy.

Cavs draft Embiid & never look back.

7'1 Hakeem is GOAT potential.

I just wanna say that it should obviously be a charge for clevelands destiny. embiid might end up goat

[TroyD92]

Cavs fans are high comedy.

Cavs draft Embiid & never look back.

7'1 Hakeem is GOAT potential.

I just wanna say that it should obviously be a charge for clevelands destiny. embiid might end up goat

Honestly If I wasn't a Bucks fan I'd feel sorry for Cavs fans.

[DanoMac]

Cavs fans are high comedy.

I just wanna say that it should obviously be a charge for clevelands destiny. embiid might end up goat

Honestly If I wasn't a Bucks fan I'd feel sorry for Cavs fans.

I hope we get Wiggins and he dominates the Cavs for the next decade. I can't think of many things in life that would please me more after this lottery.

[Charles Lee Ray]

The more I read the more I believe wiggins is the distant 3rd in this race. He could move to 2nd of course if embiid falls down due to injury concerns. Wiggins is a bundle of unrefined athleticism and unpolished talent and he may bloom or he may just be a poor mans rudy gay. Parker is the stone cold killer who is going to score for you and really make people around him better. He works hard and his D should eventually become at least average.

Embiid of course is the best guy in the draft again is just comes back to injury concerns with him. Point being here is that the best thing that can happen is wiggins goes #1. You know the saying "all I want for christmas is a 7 footer with skills" and if he's gone take the sure thing. It seems like the consensus here is to take wigs and I have a feeling that would look bad a few years down the road.

If Parker is the stone cold killer how did Duke lose a game? Jimmer was a scorer too but when your shot goes dry if you can't play D you have nothing.

Blaming one guy for an entire team losing? Get real..

[giraldo5]

The more I read the more I believe wiggins is the distant 3rd in this race. He could move to 2nd of course if embiid falls down due to injury concerns. Wiggins is a bundle of unrefined athleticism and unpolished talent and he may bloom or he may just be a poor mans rudy gay. Parker is the stone cold killer who is going to score for you and really make people around him better. He works hard and his D should eventually become at least average.

Embiid of course is the best guy in the draft again is just comes back to injury concerns with him. Point being here is that the best thing that can happen is wiggins goes #1. You know the saying "all I want for christmas is a 7 footer with skills" and if he's gone take the sure thing. It seems like the consensus here is to take wigs and I have a feeling that would look bad a few years down the road.

If Parker is the stone cold killer how did Duke lose a game? Jimmer was a scorer too but when your shot goes dry if you can't play D you have nothing.

Blaming one guy for an entire team losing? Get real..

I'll just assume that you did not watch the Duke-Mercer game

[Serge28]

I think Giannis and Parker would actually make a really great duo on the court and become great friends off the court. Embiid is still clearly #1 in my book (as long as we get medical reports and nothing flares up before the draft). As for #2... I think I'm still in Wiggins camp, but I really wouldn't be devastated with Parker. I'm just glad we ended up in that top 3 on lottery night.

[Swan Vox]

After all the pro Jabari stuff the last 48 hours, I had to go back and watch Wiggins DX videos as I started to doubt Wiggins now.

Glad I did. Wiggins is ridiculous. Seemed to me he could do all the offensive stuff Jabari does, but because he doesn't load up, pump fake, etc like Jabari does it almost looks too easy for the viewer.

Take Wiggins off Kansas where Self had him out at the 3 point line and get him into the NBA and he's going to explode IMO.

To me, Wiggins compares favorably to James Worthy. 6'9" ish...super athletic, great on the break, average ball-handler...effortless, smooth-looking game. Guys like Wiggins & Worthy both make it look easy and thus have folks question their effort. People were getting on Worthy for not "stepping up" until he put together that playoff run in 1985. I see Wiggins having a similar make-up. Somewhat of a deferring personality that could "turn it on" and dominate when needed.

Check out "Big-game James" at UNC:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHhMcUgCfw[/youtube]

I am seriously having Giannis & Wiggins visions as a new-era Magic / Worthy combo on the break. Would be exciting times...

That being said...Embiid.

[Charles Lee Ray]

If Parker is the stone cold killer how did Duke lose a game? Jimmer was a scorer too but when your shot goes dry if you can't play D you have nothing.

Blaming one guy for an entire team losing? Get real..

I'll just assume that you did not watch the Duke-Mercer game

I'll just assume you didn't watch any games of kansas when embiid was out. The team became very average and so did wiggins for the most part.

[Charles Lee Ray]

I think Giannis and Parker would actually make a really great duo on the court and become great friends off the court. Embiid is still clearly #1 in my book (as long as we get medical reports and nothing flares up before the draft). As for #2... I think I'm still in Wiggins camp, but I really wouldn't be devastated with Parker. I'm just glad we ended up in that top 3 on lottery night.

I agree with this accept I favor parker over wiggins. I think he'd compliment giannis much better as he's much more refined than wiggins. Wigs may turn out great but there is a lot of bust potential there too in my eyes.

[bigdog34]

Blaming one guy for an entire team losing? Get real..

I'll just assume that you did not watch the Duke-Mercer game

I'll just assume you didn't watch any games of kansas when embiid was out. The team became very average and so did wiggins for the most part.

Except for the two straight games that he scored 40 and 30 plus points.

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[giraldo5]

If we draft Parker we just better hope white dude with a bunch of tattoos from Mercer doesn't sign with a team. He was lightning quick. So quick that Parker was benched in the most important game of the year. Maybe we should look at drafting him at #2.

[Charles Lee Ray]

I'll just assume that you did not watch the Duke-Mercer game

I'll just assume you didn't watch any games of kansas when embiid was out. The team became very average and so did wiggins for the most part.

Except for the two straight games that he scored 40 and 30 plus points.

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At the end of the day he performed worse than parker when his team got eliminated from the tourney so bringing up the mercer game to discredit parker is stupid.