Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[Nycballa2k]

People really need to understand that last year's team was a perfect (terrible) storm of events that led to us winning only 15 games. Everything on and off the court was a disaster, Drew's rotations, roster composition, horrible team chemistry, injuries, lack of talent, and under utilization of what little talent we did have.

I'm not going to speculate just how many games this team will win next year, but you'd have to be incredibly naive to think that we won't at least see modest improvement with adding an NBA-ready talent like Jabari and with a coach who actually understands matchups and competent rotations. Which again, brings me to two questions with which no one in the "avoid Bledsoe" camp has yet to answer:

1) What are the odds that we can acquire a similar talent with a "likely" mid lotto pick (7-12 Randle -Stauskas territory this year)?

2) If Jabari and Giannis aren't good enough yet to drag us out of a bottom 5 record, then how is adding a 24 year old PG with one season's worth of starter's experience going to do so?

Considering how many damn seasons we won 30-40 games with completely mediocre talent I'm shocked how many people don't believe we can win around that many games with this team.

[Baddy Chuck]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/486626216905277440[/tweet]

Can't have too many swingmen.

[Nycballa2k]

we were literally winning 30+ games with players like Maggette, Jennings and Gooden getting major minutes

[Bernman]

Can't have too many swingmen.

#Can't have too many shooters#

[cinematographer]

What's really comical is that very few of you Bledsoe devotees have ever seen him play, except for a few u-tube highlights. And that's ok if his production was outstanding and you relied on that. But the love for a player who has produced very little and is very injury prone is cult-like. My guess is that if Brandon Knight played for a team in the West, you'd feel the same way about him, since he has produced similar numbers in fewer years of playing.

No........he hasn't

Bledsoe: 19.4 PPG, 6 AST, 5 RB, 1.8 STL, 0.4 BLK, 48% FG, 36% 3PT, 58% TS

Knight: 19.4 PPG, 5 AST, 4 RB, 1 STL, 0.2 BLK, 42% FG, 32% 3PT, 52% TS

Their raw scoring numbers are the only thing that is similar. So if all you care about is PPGz, and completely ignore efficiency, then yeah.....they're similar.

Lets see. Same points, same rebounds, same assists and now you want to look DEEPER. And all you can come up with is his efficiency, especially as a shooter. This, despite the fact, that even many of his supporters and almost all the analysts, admit that Knight is the much better shooter. Knight, on the team he was on last year, could not be efficient. He had to take tons of shots at the end of the shot clock because he was the only one who could create his shot. I'm not saying Knight is a great player. Only that all of you are drooling over Bledsoe and have nothing to point to that shows greatness.
Bledsoe and Knight are very alike. Bledsoe may be marginally better, but not to the extent all of you are making him out to be. The guy is going into his fifth year and with his meager production, you're all slobbering over him. Laughable.

Look, I agree that Bledsoe is being made out as far more of a better offensive player than he is, but Bledsoe is one of the three best wing defenders, and that's insanely rare and insanely valuable. I posted their RPM/xRAPM/APMs like 40 pages ago and Knight isn't even remotely close to Bledsoe's impact.

If your argument for Knight being equal to Bledsoe doesn't begin and end with "Larry Drew" or "needs to be used properly", you need to reconsider your view.

[HurricaneKid]

I'd think a PG emphasizing organization and direction (think Vasquez, Calderon, Andre Miller, etc) would be nice to have to keep the kids organized while not taking from their shots, etc.

But if you have a chance to add a long term piece you do it. Period.

[emunney]

I'd think a PG emphasizing organization and direction (think Vasquez, Calderon, Andre Miller, etc) would be nice to have to keep the kids organized while not taking from their shots, etc.

But if you have a chance to add a long term piece you do it. Period.

Wolters is extraordinarily steady for a young guy. He could do part of that. Chuck D earlier brought up Heurtel, that would be a good, cheap option to fill that kind of role, too.

[AussieBuck]

If Jabari is going to drag our defense into the gutter, how does Golden State rank 3rd with David Lee playing 33 minutes per night?

I love this image so much. Best case scenario within 10 foot of the rim against Larry is a 40% shot. Lee will help you turn a tough 10 footer that almost nobody shoots well into a layup % shot.

[BigO]

No........he hasn't

Bledsoe: 19.4 PPG, 6 AST, 5 RB, 1.8 STL, 0.4 BLK, 48% FG, 36% 3PT, 58% TS

Knight: 19.4 PPG, 5 AST, 4 RB, 1 STL, 0.2 BLK, 42% FG, 32% 3PT, 52% TS

Their raw scoring numbers are the only thing that is similar. So if all you care about is PPGz, and completely ignore efficiency, then yeah.....they're similar.

Lets see. Same points, same rebounds, same assists and now you want to look DEEPER. And all you can come up with is his efficiency, especially as a shooter. This, despite the fact, that even many of his supporters and almost all the analysts, admit that Knight is the much better shooter. Knight, on the team he was on last year, could not be efficient. He had to take tons of shots at the end of the shot clock because he was the only one who could create his shot. I'm not saying Knight is a great player. Only that all of you are drooling over Bledsoe and have nothing to point to that shows greatness.
Bledsoe and Knight are very alike. Bledsoe may be marginally better, but not to the extent all of you are making him out to be. The guy is going into his fifth year and with his meager production, you're all slobbering over him. Laughable.

Look, I agree that Bledsoe is being made out as far more of a better offensive player than he is, but Bledsoe is one of the three best wing defenders, and that's insanely rare and insanely valuable. I posted their RPM/xRAPM/APMs like 40 pages ago and Knight isn't even remotely close to Bledsoe's impact.

If your argument for Knight being equal to Bledsoe doesn't begin and end with "Larry Drew" or "needs to be used properly", you need to reconsider your view.

If the main argument to pay Bledsoe close to the max is that he is one of the three best defenders, then my response is that you don't pay max money for defensive players, unless its at the center position.

And for you name callers (oh gosh, I'm a troll), if that's the best you got, save it for someone else. I had been a Bucks season ticket holder for over 20 years, until two years ago (now that's insane). If all you want is people who agree with you, I'm out of here. It doesn't change the fact that after four years in the league, Bledsoe has shown very little and that is all fact. I'm fine with someone making a case that those four years were an aberration because of injuries and being a backup, but max type money, no one can justify that. I was in favor of trying to get Payton in the draft, so the Bucks do need a playmaker. But let them grow with the team.

[Aaron It Out]

If the main argument to pay Bledsoe close to the max is that he is one of the three best defenders, then my response is that you don't pay max money for defensive players, unless its at the center position.

And for you name callers (oh gosh, I'm a troll), if that's the best you got, save it for someone else. I had been a Bucks season ticket holder for over 20 years, until two years ago (now that's insane). If all you want is people who agree with you, I'm out of here. It doesn't change the fact that after four years in the league, Bledsoe has shown very little and that is all fact. I'm fine with someone making a case that those four years were an aberration because of injuries and being a backup, but max type money, no one can justify that. I was in favor of trying to get Payton in the draft, so the Bucks do need a playmaker. But let them grow with the team.

There are plenty of us here who don't want to give Bledsoe the max, myself included. The problem that lies is when you come on this board full of league pass subscribers and say they've never watched Bledsoe because they aren't on Wisconsin television. In turn that leads us to believe that you have never watched Bledsoe, but you continue to argue against him.

[bigkurty]

If the main argument to pay Bledsoe close to the max is that he is one of the three best defenders, then my response is that you don't pay max money for defensive players, unless its at the center position.

And for you name callers (oh gosh, I'm a troll), if that's the best you got, save it for someone else. I had been a Bucks season ticket holder for over 20 years, until two years ago (now that's insane). If all you want is people who agree with you, I'm out of here. It doesn't change the fact that after four years in the league, Bledsoe has shown very little and that is all fact. I'm fine with someone making a case that those four years were an aberration because of injuries and being a backup, but max type money, no one can justify that. I was in favor of trying to get Payton in the draft, so the Bucks do need a playmaker. But let them grow with the team.

There are plenty of us here who don't want to give Bledsoe the max, myself included. The problem that lies is when you come on this board full of league pass subscribers and say they've never watched Bledsoe because they aren't on Wisconsin television. In turn that leads us to believe that you have never watched Bledsoe, but you continue to argue against him.

Not understanding advanced stats at all doesn't help either. FYI, the game is played on both ends of the court BigO and shooting percentages do matter a great deal. Every little thing adds up. With that said I am fine with signing Bledsoe or not. This debate is one of the tougher calls we have had around here lately.

[cinematographer]

Lets see. Same points, same rebounds, same assists and now you want to look DEEPER. And all you can come up with is his efficiency, especially as a shooter. This, despite the fact, that even many of his supporters and almost all the analysts, admit that Knight is the much better shooter. Knight, on the team he was on last year, could not be efficient. He had to take tons of shots at the end of the shot clock because he was the only one who could create his shot. I'm not saying Knight is a great player. Only that all of you are drooling over Bledsoe and have nothing to point to that shows greatness.
Bledsoe and Knight are very alike. Bledsoe may be marginally better, but not to the extent all of you are making him out to be. The guy is going into his fifth year and with his meager production, you're all slobbering over him. Laughable.

Look, I agree that Bledsoe is being made out as far more of a better offensive player than he is, but Bledsoe is one of the three best wing defenders, and that's insanely rare and insanely valuable. I posted their RPM/xRAPM/APMs like 40 pages ago and Knight isn't even remotely close to Bledsoe's impact.

If your argument for Knight being equal to Bledsoe doesn't begin and end with "Larry Drew" or "needs to be used properly", you need to reconsider your view.

If the main argument to pay Bledsoe close to the max is that he is one of the three best defenders, then my response is that you don't pay max money for defensive players, unless its at the center position.

And for you name callers (oh gosh, I'm a troll), if that's the best you got, save it for someone else. I had been a Bucks season ticket holder for over 20 years, until two years ago (now that's insane). If all you want is people who agree with you, I'm out of here. It doesn't change the fact that after four years in the league, Bledsoe has shown very little and that is all fact. I'm fine with someone making a case that those four years were an aberration because of injuries and being a backup, but max type money, no one can justify that. I was in favor of trying to get Payton in the draft, so the Bucks do need a playmaker. But let them grow with the team.

But when the wing player has as much of an impact as a center? That's a very rare commodity.


Eric Bledose:
oRPM: -0.10
dRPM: +3.96

xRAPMo: -0.48
xRAPMd: +2.99

oAPM: -.06
dAPM: +4.85
Total: +4.79
StdErr: 2.93

Brandon Knight:
oRPM -1.20
dRPM -1.98

xRAPMo: +0.72
xRAPMd: -1.93

oAPM: -2.78
dAPM: -.57
Total: -3.35
StdErr: 2.80

I could go either way on this Bledsoe deal. But it's foolish to say Bledsoe has shown nothing, and you're neglecting how high the cap is projected to be mid-way through the deal.

[FlagsFlyForever]

I'd think a PG emphasizing organization and direction (think Vasquez, Calderon, Andre Miller, etc) would be nice to have to keep the kids organized while not taking from their shots, etc.

But if you have a chance to add a long term piece you do it. Period.

I agree. Which is why we need to be focusing on Jeremy Lin and the long-term piece he'll come with, as well as our own 2015 1st round pick. You can't add a longterm piece through free agency when you're only allowed to offer 4 year deals.

[Badgerlander]

Lin could be a long term piece. He doesn't get minutes in Houston because Harden is such an awful defender.


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[TroyD92]

Lets see. Same points, same rebounds, same assists and now you want to look DEEPER. And all you can come up with is his efficiency, especially as a shooter. This, despite the fact, that even many of his supporters and almost all the analysts, admit that Knight is the much better shooter. Knight, on the team he was on last year, could not be efficient. He had to take tons of shots at the end of the shot clock because he was the only one who could create his shot. I'm not saying Knight is a great player. Only that all of you are drooling over Bledsoe and have nothing to point to that shows greatness.
Bledsoe and Knight are very alike. Bledsoe may be marginally better, but not to the extent all of you are making him out to be. The guy is going into his fifth year and with his meager production, you're all slobbering over him. Laughable.

Look, I agree that Bledsoe is being made out as far more of a better offensive player than he is, but Bledsoe is one of the three best wing defenders, and that's insanely rare and insanely valuable. I posted their RPM/xRAPM/APMs like 40 pages ago and Knight isn't even remotely close to Bledsoe's impact.

If your argument for Knight being equal to Bledsoe doesn't begin and end with "Larry Drew" or "needs to be used properly", you need to reconsider your view.

If the main argument to pay Bledsoe close to the max is that he is one of the three best defenders, then my response is that you don't pay max money for defensive players, unless its at the center position.

And for you name callers (oh gosh, I'm a troll), if that's the best you got, save it for someone else. I had been a Bucks season ticket holder for over 20 years, until two years ago (now that's insane). If all you want is people who agree with you, I'm out of here. It doesn't change the fact that after four years in the league, Bledsoe has shown very little and that is all fact. I'm fine with someone making a case that those four years were an aberration because of injuries and being a backup, but max type money, no one can justify that. I was in favor of trying to get Payton in the draft, so the Bucks do need a playmaker. But let them grow with the team.

Knights going to get 8-10 Mil so why not pay 14 to the guy who is far more efficient and 10x the defense.

[Bucks2585]

The benefit of having a Bledsoe/Sanders combo at the PG/C spots is the fact that defensively, it would be such an insane combo that we could literally build an entire defense around it.

The pick and roll offense is the key of any offense now. The length Bledsoe and Sanders brings and their sheer athleticism, when we want to contend, our defense will already be on the level of any contender. Offensively, those two guys struggle, but in terms of structuring a defense, you cant get much better at two of the most important positions defensively. If Giannis can become a true stopper on the wing as well, we could be looking at what may be the best defensive team in BBall.

The detractors will point out with good reason though that offensively, there are concerns with that. Giannis at this point is not a great offensive player, and may not be for a while. Sanders is limited to lobs, etc., and Bledsoe, while he can score efficiently, doesn't truly play like a PG, and is more of a SG in a PG body. We would need Parker to turn out at PF obviously, become a player that can singlehandely carry an offense, and we would need a star SG that plays in the role of a creator/scorer, someone like a big PG. But in terms of a starting 5, I say Bledose is worth it because when we want to contend/get that star player, we have the potential and players to be one of the best teams defensive in the league in place and set up right away for a long time.

[Badgerlander]

Bledsoe Is every bit as valuable as Iggy


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[Ayt]

You're not off to the best start here, Big O. I wouldn't be making wild accusations like "very few of you have ever seen him play." This forum collectively watches a sh*t ton of NBA basketball. Way more than just the Bucks.

Since Phoenix was rarely on tv in Wisconsin, I seriously doubt it.

Ever heard of League Pass?

Or the internet.

[arizonabuck]

don't sign Bledsoe for the max. that will be regretted. he' a good not great player. you can't shell out max deals unless they are stars. I say roll with Wolters and see what you got. Can always upgrade through the draft later. When the team is more developed, then it would be more of a consideration. but Bledsoe isn't coming here anyways so no reason for this big debate.

[thomchatt3rton]

How do people rate Bledsoes court-vision? I havent seen him as much as yall.


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