Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Payne Signed

[pifhluk23]

As much as I love Bobby and Pat, I think we should be looking to use them to acquire a perimeter stopper type, preferably with some depth coming back to boot.

MKE: Dort, Mann, Jaylin or JRE
OKC: Portis, Connaughton

Lillard / Mann
Dort / Beasley
Middleton / Beauchamp
Giannis / Crowder
Lopez / Jaylin or JRE

I agree. Feel like Bobby is going to be less impactful on offense in a deep playoff run than previously. Lillard will take like 5 FGA more than Jrue and they have to come from somewhere. Middleton will probably run less iso opportunities but get more C&S opportunities. Brook will probably get less iso scoring opportunities but more PnR possessions. Sacrificing some Bobby midrange jumpers seems very natural. And if you take that away, we might just be better off with someone who plays hard defense every possession and is fine standing in the corner/making cuts on offense over a guy that has a bigger offensive bag but is a mediocre defender at best. A Josh Hart-like player would actually fit really well.

As salty as Bill Simmons is that we got Dame, he does raise a decent concern regarding our ability to defend some of the elite perimeter scorers in the league. Granted, we could just overwhelm on offense to a point where it doesn't really matter, but it would be nice to have a guard/wing defender to deploy on those types of dudes. Hart would be a godsend, but NYK love him. Who are some other guys of that ilk that Portis or Portis+Pat could fetch? I saw some Caruso mentions.

We couldn't defend Miami or Boston's perimeter players with Holiday so who cares. At least now we should have an Elite offense.

[Daver]

I agree. Feel like Bobby is going to be less impactful on offense in a deep playoff run than previously. Lillard will take like 5 FGA more than Jrue and they have to come from somewhere. Middleton will probably run less iso opportunities but get more C&S opportunities. Brook will probably get less iso scoring opportunities but more PnR possessions. Sacrificing some Bobby midrange jumpers seems very natural. And if you take that away, we might just be better off with someone who plays hard defense every possession and is fine standing in the corner/making cuts on offense over a guy that has a bigger offensive bag but is a mediocre defender at best. A Josh Hart-like player would actually fit really well.

As salty as Bill Simmons is that we got Dame, he does raise a decent concern regarding our ability to defend some of the elite perimeter scorers in the league. Granted, we could just overwhelm on offense to a point where it doesn't really matter, but it would be nice to have a guard/wing defender to deploy on those types of dudes. Hart would be a godsend, but NYK love him. Who are some other guys of that ilk that Portis or Portis+Pat could fetch? I saw some Caruso mentions.

We couldn't defend Miami or Boston's perimeter players with Holiday so who cares. At least now we should have an Elite offense.

.thought jrue did pretty well D on bostons guards in 22 maybe in wrong

[Daver]

Shouldnt of been holidays total responsibility to cover butler dude is 3 inches taller 30 more pounds not putting 100% blame on jrue wasnt given much help from our HC

[JayMKE]

Honestly blaming anything besides Giannis getting hurt I think can be argued unfair but like with Budenholzer it's a business, I do feel like we're closer today to a championship than we were before.

Who knows how things will turn out but I do gotta apologize to Horst a bit for actually having a plan and executing it, the ultimate payoff will be Giannis signing his extension.

[Badgerlander]

Primo would be a good signing

[German Athens]

Man, I’m loving how our team looks on paper even outside the obvious Dame-Giannis pairing. We have given two young wings a great opportunity to prove themselves, and if it doesn’t quite work yet, we have that Portland second to dangle at the deadline in hopes of another PJ level trade.

I’m so damn excited for this season.

[Badgerlander]

I would hold off on signing anyone though because there are at least 3 teams that are over the limit on gtd contracts and need to move guys by the end of training camp. If we could grab Tre Mann and Poku from OKC for that Portland 2nd that’d be a steal

[tedbrogen]

I agree. Feel like Bobby is going to be less impactful on offense in a deep playoff run than previously. Lillard will take like 5 FGA more than Jrue and they have to come from somewhere. Middleton will probably run less iso opportunities but get more C&S opportunities. Brook will probably get less iso scoring opportunities but more PnR possessions. Sacrificing some Bobby midrange jumpers seems very natural. And if you take that away, we might just be better off with someone who plays hard defense every possession and is fine standing in the corner/making cuts on offense over a guy that has a bigger offensive bag but is a mediocre defender at best. A Josh Hart-like player would actually fit really well.

As salty as Bill Simmons is that we got Dame, he does raise a decent concern regarding our ability to defend some of the elite perimeter scorers in the league. Granted, we could just overwhelm on offense to a point where it doesn't really matter, but it would be nice to have a guard/wing defender to deploy on those types of dudes. Hart would be a godsend, but NYK love him. Who are some other guys of that ilk that Portis or Portis+Pat could fetch? I saw some Caruso mentions.

We couldn't defend Miami or Boston's perimeter players with Holiday so who cares. At least now we should have an Elite offense.

Yep and we still could have won either series if the offense didn’t have crazy long stretches not scoring.

Team was #4 in D last year and #15 on O.

[BroncoBuck]

Shouldnt of been holidays total responsibility to cover butler dude is 3 inches taller 30 more pounds not putting 100% blame on jrue wasnt given much help from our HC

Did you not see him wave off Wes Matthews who did a great job defending Jimmy? Wes missed the first three games of the series. Wes was our Jimmy defender.

[theFireBlanket]

Primo would be a good signing

Sidney Dobner might disagree.

[German Athens]

Would you guys move Bobby for Terence Mann? We'd likely want to make another follow up trade do get some big depth back, but I would.

Mann hasn't quite progressed in the way that I thought he would two years ago, but I still think there's some upside with him. If all that Clippers smoke from earlier in the offseason was true, Lue isn't a big fan of him, and that could be a contributing part to his stagnation.

Other guard targets:
Quickley, always and forever
Dort - he makes 15.3m this year, so salary matching may make us a little uncomfortable (bobby + marjon)
Pat Bev - makes 3.2m, so maybe this could be something at the deadline
Isaac Okoro - makes 8.9m, so his salary would be a little rich for what he currently provides, but I would be very interested in him. He's always had the physical size and strength on the perimeter to be a good defender, and it seems like his shot has been improving. It's still maybe an uncomfortable salary match (either pat or bobby, but maybe you could get additional assets back)

Targets to sign
Terence Davis, Jaylen Nowell

[skbucks1985]

Would you guys move Bobby for Terence Mann? We'd likely want to make another follow up trade do get some big depth back, but I would.

Mann hasn't quite progressed in the way that I thought he would two years ago, but I still think there's some upside with him. If all that Clippers smoke from earlier in the offseason was true, Lue isn't a big fan of him, and that could be a contributing part to his stagnation.

Other guard targets:
Quickley, always and forever
Dort - he makes 15.3m this year, so salary matching may make us a little uncomfortable (bobby + marjon)
Pat Bev - makes 3.2m, so maybe this could be something at the deadline
Isaac Okoro - makes 8.9m, so his salary would be a little rich for what he currently provides, but I would be very interested in him. He's always had the physical size and strength on the perimeter to be a good defender, and it seems like his shot has been improving. It's still maybe an uncomfortable salary match (either pat or bobby, but maybe you could get additional assets back)

Targets to sign
Terence Davis, Jaylen Nowell

Dort is a player that I would overpay for because he's very young and locked into a reasonable contract long term. And while his shooting leaves something to be desired, the hope would be that it improves as he's taken on a lesser offensive load. And he's such a good defensive fit alongside Dame. Bobby and Marjon would be a steep price to pay but I think I'd do it.

That said, I don't know why OKC would want him. They've got a few young guys who project as similar players to Bobby but they're all very young and may never get there and so on one hand it would make sense why they'd trade for Bobby if you want to take that next step now, but I don't think trading your best perimeter defender for that guy does much to accomplish that goal.

[bucksfansince88]

Primo would be a good signing

perfect young guy to rehab, just make him wear compression shorts!

[SirChurros]

I’d prefer to keep guys who can’t keep their dicks in their pants away from the roster.

[engelmartin]

We couldn't defend Miami or Boston's perimeter players with Holiday so who cares. At least now we should have an Elite offense.

Sometimes a good offense is a good defense. Our rebounding will always be an advantage, too.

But like, all those turnovers, misses early in the shot clock, bad passes/etc, they contribute directly to points for the other team. Trading some of those awful wasted possessions for made buckets is going to limit transition offense opportunities and help keep momentum.

[BroncoBuck]

Primo should change his name and go overseas for a few years.

[ReasonablySober]

Primo would be a good signing

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[Daver]

Shouldnt of been holidays total responsibility to cover butler dude is 3 inches taller 30 more pounds not putting 100% blame on jrue wasnt given much help from our HC

Did you not see him wave off Wes Matthews who did a great job defending Jimmy? Wes missed the first three games of the series. Wes was our Jimmy defender.

Who the fu.. was our HC wtf isnt that his job to make the appropiate adjustments bud should of switched not leave it up to the players who the fu.. was the HC

[raferfenix]

Maybe the plan is to give Andre Jackson Jr. a serious shot at backup PG out of the gate?

I’d be more skeptical about covering his shooting if we didn’t pick up Beasley and that Lillard guy.

More broadly I’d be cool if we keep that roster spot open for now if the idea is to give the young guys more run.

If Cam Payne isn’t really the answer giving him a guaranteed deal could hurt us if / when someone better comes available.

[drdrG]

Lillard is one of two (Curry) and no amount of game planning can replace somebody who can make high level decisions and beat defenses consistently in clutch time. What Horst and Griffin have to do is find serviceable wings that can guard on the perimeter - a possible task.