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[fansinceforever]

Giannis stuff is legit. The 7 foot Westbrook bit was figured out by playoff defenses. He has to learn how to play like a big now and off of Dame but we already know that. There are definately times off the break that he can maybe find space for hero drives but we mainly need creative ways to get him the ball in different spots for playmaking out of the post/block.

Do you watch the Bucks' playoffs series? Have you seen his numbers?

[Bernman]

Is your contention is that the Heat played well against Giannis in a series that he went for 23/15/8, had an offensive rating of 112 and a defensive rating of 91?

His TS% tanked because he went 1-16 from three. Miami didn't have **** for Giannis.

My contention is his best series of the 3 wasn't even that good offensively because he couldn't make shots. Good thing Forbes, Pat, & even Bobby could off the passing by him + others. Actually Jrue averaged 2 more assists per than Giannis in that series, while shooting a 4% higher ts. And nobody acts like he didn't have his offensive struggles in the playoffs here.

But how often can you depend on borderline playoff rotation guys like that w/ their lack of consistency & d. You have to be able to depend on your core guys. Aside from injuries, which are another issue; we weren't able to depend on Jrue. Giannis is series-to-series offensively, cuz of his lack of scoring away from the rim. Middleton's the only one we can depend on series-to-series in this dept. That was true in the Miami '21 series too: 21.5 pts, 63.8 ts%. Need him to put us over. Hopefully Dame can as well.

[ReasonablySober]

Is your contention is that the Heat played well against Giannis in a series that he went for 23/15/8, had an offensive rating of 112 and a defensive rating of 91?

His TS% tanked because he went 1-16 from three. Miami didn't have **** for Giannis.

My contention is his best series of the 3 wasn't even that good offensively because he couldn't make shots.

Couldn't make shots? He made 55% of his two point FGA. Who gives a **** if he launches some threes in games his team won by an average of 23 points.

[AussieBuck]

Giannis can be 'figured out' by putting 2-3 guys on him, kinda like everyone ever.

[fansinceforever]

Eye test and stats say Giannis is a boss in the playoffs. I honestly don't know what you're watching if you say different.

Nothing he does even qualifies for this team's list of issues.

[blazza18]

It's crazy to me that besides the biggest moment/game/series of his life Giannis still hasn't been able to consistently punish teams when he can't get to the rim. Him not being able to do that is and has always been a problem for us in the playoffs.

[fansinceforever]

It's crazy to me that besides the biggest moment/game/series of his life Giannis still hasn't been able to consistently punish teams when he can't get to the rim. Him not being able to do that is and has always been a problem for us in the playoffs.

Giannis dominated the Bulls & Celtics series the year following. Played unbelievable and it wasn't all by getting to the rim. We haven't seen him since then.

It literally has not been a problem at all since like 2020 or 2019.

[Bernman]

Giannis can be 'figured out' by putting 2-3 guys on him, kinda like everyone ever.

If it were that simple it'd be done to every superstar ever to stifle them.

The difference here is our superstar can't shoot away from the basket. That's such a rarity. Even Shaq had a post glasser. I'd hope Giannis is more introspective, acknowledges this handicap, & rehabs it actually.

And the guys who can shoot from a distance, it's hard to crowd them that far out. So they just shoot over the 1 guy who's close enough. If you bring 2-3 guys to swarm him, provided the guy can pass at all, your d is getting broken down quick, for layups.

I just described a similar player to Middleton. He's shown he can orchestrate & score efficiently, w/ or w/out Giannis.

[Ron Swanson]

So what exactly happened in 2021 then? Did Spo just forget how to "expose" Giannis? Or did Giannis "figure out" the Heat defense and went full play-maker mode while his teammates actually, finally, hit open shots off his gravity while he was getting triple-teamed in the paint? Or does a sweep not count if your TS isn't high enough?

Giannis ts % in 2021 vs. the Heat: 49.7.

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Ah so it doesn’t count then.

[Prez]

Kevin Durant is probably the most complete scorer in NBA history and the dude got utterly dismantled and embarrassed by the Celtics in the '22 playoffs, because he couldn't handle the physicality/ball pressure. Giannis would go on to have one of the more individually dominant playoff series in recent memory and damn near single handedly beat them with Khris out, despite the rest of the team shooting 39% FG/28% from 3 for the series as a whole lol.

Every great player except like peak LeBron has limitations to their game. Curry can't do jack **** to impact the game defensively outside of decent enough team defense. KD has difficulty against physical, pressuring defenses and has lankiness at times prevents him from getting to the rim effectively. Jokic can be exploited defensively against fast PnR heavy back courts. Luka can dominate the ball a bit too much and his defensive effort can be pathetic. Embiid is a loser. The list goes on and on and on.

The standards for Giannis are just comical, the dude apparently needs to be the most dominant interior scorer of his generation by a mile, a top 2 or 3 playmaker for his position, a nasty Swiss army knife defensive big, good rebounder, and now also a dangerous perimeter scorer as well? Like sure...I would agree that Giannis being the perfect basketball player would be good for the Bucks lol.

[blazza18]

It's crazy to me that besides the biggest moment/game/series of his life Giannis still hasn't been able to consistently punish teams when he can't get to the rim. Him not being able to do that is and has always been a problem for us in the playoffs.

Giannis dominated the Bulls & Celtics series the year following. Played unbelievable and it wasn't all by getting to the rim. We haven't seen him since then.

It literally has not been a problem at all since like 2020 or 2019.

The Bulls series is whatever since they were bad and injured.

I thought he was overall pretty good against Boston but struggled as usual making jump shots (25/76 per nba.com) and couldn't make up for it because he was very un-Giannis like finishing close to the basket (36/78 per nba.com on layups).

[fansinceforever]

It's crazy to me that besides the biggest moment/game/series of his life Giannis still hasn't been able to consistently punish teams when he can't get to the rim. Him not being able to do that is and has always been a problem for us in the playoffs.

Giannis dominated the Bulls & Celtics series the year following. Played unbelievable and it wasn't all by getting to the rim. We haven't seen him since then.

It literally has not been a problem at all since like 2020 or 2019.

The Bulls series is whatever since they were bad and injured.

I thought he was overall pretty good against Boston but struggled as usual making jump shots (25/76 per nba.com) and couldn't make up for it because he was very un-Giannis like finishing close to the basket (36/78 per nba.com on layups).

Lol He averaged 34/15/7/1/1 in a series where Pat Connaughton was probably his most reliable offensive help. He had two 40 point games. He was incredible...

[blazza18]

Think it shouldn't be difficult to separate numbers and performance. Having a 7 foot guy dominate the ball while not being particularly very good at either shooting or finishing (during the series) isn't exactly helpful to a teams overall offense.

[paulpressey25]

So what exactly happened in 2021 then? Did Spo just forget how to "expose" Giannis? Or did Giannis "figure out" the Heat defense and went full play-maker mode while his teammates actually, finally, hit open shots off his gravity while he was getting triple-teamed in the paint? Or does a sweep not count if your TS isn't high enough?

Not addressing the Heat specifically, but in 2021 Khris Middleton played like prime Kawhi Leonard.

Giannis has generally been the same guy every year in the playoffs. In 2021 he got superstar help.

[ReasonablySober]

I honestly thought this Giannis thing was a bit. Some of you are serious?

[fansinceforever]

Lebron dominated the ball and didn't shoot particularly well in 2015 against GS either. I don't remember a word about it. Most gave him credit for even being competitive with his #2 absent from the series. Like the Cavs, The Bucks were completely outmatched in that series.

Are y'all starting this slander campaign to soften the blow if/when The Bucks' situation forces them to move on from Giannis? What is the point here?

[blazza18]

The standards for Giannis are just comical, the dude apparently needs to be the most dominant interior scorer of his generation by a mile, a top 2 or 3 playmaker for his position, a nasty Swiss army knife defensive big, good rebounder, and now also a dangerous perimeter scorer as well? Like sure...I would agree that Giannis being the perfect basketball player would be good for the Bucks lol.

Feel like the bolded is everything Giannis is and needs to be but because he wants to be more the shooting numbers do matter and it has hurt us in the playoffs. I don't think anyone can argue that?

The perfect basketball player **** is just straight up hyperbolic and not what anyone is saying. The finals where he was making enough shots to hurt the defence pretty much did make him pretty close though.

[emunney]

LOL we would have had a much higher ts% if Giannis had a higher ts%. Imagine thinking because some other players also struggled it justifies their #1 doing it. Khris, Pat, & Lopez managed. Dame would have managed if we'd already traded him for Jrue Bledsoe.

Those are literally the last 2 playoff series' he was available for. The argument here was some teams, which change each year even w/in the same franchise, had figured him out. And those #'s speak for themselves. The counter-argument was ppgzz.

I have to point out that we had an ORTG of 105 in that series when Giannis was out there, and 79.8 when he wasn't, and a DRTG of 105.9 with him out there and 126.9 with him not. But numbers aside, it's honestly very strange to me that anybody's attempting to argue this as if we didn't all witness one of the greatest individual performances of all time.

[emunney]

Giannis stuff is legit. The 7 foot Westbrook bit was figured out by playoff defenses. He has to learn how to play like a big now and off of Dame but we already know that. There are definately times off the break that he can maybe find space for hero drives but we mainly need creative ways to get him the ball in different spots for playmaking out of the post/block.

Who cracked the code on Giannis and when? The last time he was healthy for a series when he took Boston to 7 games with a 34-15-7 average and Khris out? Or did it happen the previous year when we won the title?

Everyone did.. except you maybe
let's disguise a wall, jump out in front of him as he enters the lane and let him either get charges on us or try to jump over us and get injured. I think Toronto had the original version and Spoelstra took it to the next level with his K. Love slide thing.

I have to love both that you're accusing the Heat of deliberately injuring him and that you consider that part of cracking the code.

[AussieBuck]

Giannis can be 'figured out' by putting 2-3 guys on him, kinda like everyone ever.

If it were that simple it'd be done to every superstar ever to stifle them.

The difference here is our superstar can't shoot away from the basket. That's such a rarity. Even Shaq had a post glasser. I'd hope Giannis is more introspective, acknowledges this handicap, & rehabs it actually.

And the guys who can shoot from a distance, it's hard to crowd them that far out. So they just shoot over the 1 guy who's close enough. If you bring 2-3 guys to swarm him, provided the guy can pass at all, your d is getting broken down quick, for layups.

I just described a similar player to Middleton. He's shown he can orchestrate & score efficiently, w/ or w/out Giannis.

It is done to every superstar and when the other guys don't hit shots passed out of that crowding we blame the star because reasons. It's dumb.