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[JayMKE]

I don't agree we need even less defense in the backcourt next to Dame, the issue is trying to use a player to cover up the deficiencies of another player when you need to compete on both sides of the ball. That's why Boston eats our lunch. Pretty hard to explain how the spacing got worse with Dame. He's just a ball pounding scorer, not a guy who can create or shoot off the ball which isn't something we need.

[-Jragon-]

Pretty hard to explain how the spacing got worse with Dame. He's just a ball pounding scorer, not a guy who can create or shoot off the ball which isn't something we need.

Look at all the superstars in the NBA right now and notice this: Dame is top 10 in TS% of all superstars and top 10 in the whole NBA in # FTs taken .. plus he hits 90%... teams are so scared of that tiny man that they hack/hold him when he gets anywhere near open or past them... the key is to use that... get him top 5 in FTs... not off ball.. keep the other teams in foul trouble, keep passing it back to him several times per possession.. don't go 10 possessions in a row, like last night where Dame brings it across, initiates offense by passing and he never gets it back because we settle for an inefficient brick long 2/midrange shot... Dame isn't the problem.. how we use him is the problem.. Coaching and not teaching the idiots next to Dame is the problem.. if Dame hits one 3 pointer then it's make it take it.. noone else shoot until he misses unless you have a dunk.. that's how that MFer has the 3rd most in NBA History of 60+ point games.. his last teammates knew that. He's not a chucker.. again, he's top 10 in TS% if you just look at superstar players.

[JayMKE]

I don't agree we need even less defense in the backcourt next to Dame, the issue is trying to use a player to cover up the deficiencies of another player when you need to compete on both sides of the ball. That's why Boston eats our lunch. Pretty hard to explain how the spacing got worse with Dame. He's just a ball pounding scorer, not a guy who can create or shoot off the ball which isn't something we need.

Look at all the superstars in the NBA right now and notice this
... Dame is top 10 in TS% and top 10 in the NBA in # FTs taken .. plus he hits 90%... teams are so scared of that tiny man that they hack/hold him when he gets anywhere near open or past them... the key is to use that... get him top 5 in FTs... not off ball.. keep the other teams in foul trouble, keep passing it back to him several times per possession.. don't go 10 possessions in a row, like last night where Dame brings it across, initiates offense by passing and he never gets it back because we settle for an inefficient brick long 2/midrange shot... Dame isn't the problem.. how we use him is the problem.. Coaching and not teaching the idiots next to Dame is the problem.. if Dame hits one 3 pointer then it's make it take it.. noone else shoot until he misses unless you have a dunk.. that's how that MFer leads the NBA in 50+ point games.. his last teammates knew that. He's not a chucker.. again, he's top 10 in TS% if you just look at superstar players.

Then he should be easy to get value for, he'd be a great scorer for somebody's tank and would probably put up 30ppg that doesn't to wins. Dame needs too many shots and the ball in his hands to be effective while getting targeted relentlessly on defense, only sometimes does that break even. Team was a lot better with Jrue who moved the ball and played defense, need guys who play team ball not more iso scorers.

[msiris]

I don't agree we need even less defense in the backcourt next to Dame, the issue is trying to use a player to cover up the deficiencies of another player when you need to compete on both sides of the ball. That's why Boston eats our lunch. Pretty hard to explain how the spacing got worse with Dame. He's just a ball pounding scorer, not a guy who can create or shoot off the ball which isn't something we need.

He can create but I feel he just not as competitive like giannis is. I am ready to move on. Team is not going to win it all.

[-Jragon-]

Just once is his career, if like to see Giannis play with a PG who can shoot a 3 off the catch.

Just once in his career, I'd like to see Giannis play as though there's a PG on the floor with him who is playing point guard.

See how those two things are not the same.

Too bad we'll never know if he can do it, since Dame isn't a PG, and he can't hit a 3 off the catch.

Better way to put it is that possessions should go: Dame, Giannis, Dame, screen, Khris, alley oop to Giannis... not Dame, teammate, teammate, long stupid 2 pointer.. you have a superstar that hits 90% of his FTs and gets their at a top 10 rate.. you don't have to set Dame up for shots
.. you let him set you up for easy shots.. and when you don't have a dunk, layup or wide open 3 then give him the ball back and see what happens

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

as open as id be to trading portis because he isnt the right big for us.... wed need a big pretty desperately if we moved him out.

[-Jragon-]

One of the most efficient players in the NBA on our team... and he's playing with guys who want to shoot fadeaway 2s while tied in the 4th with the latest Eastern Champs.. ridiculous

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Pretty hard to explain how the spacing got worse with Dame. He's just a ball pounding scorer, not a guy who can create or shoot off the ball which isn't something we need.

Look at all the superstars in the NBA right now and notice this: Dame is top 10 in TS% of all superstars and top 10 in the whole NBA in # FTs taken .. plus he hits 90%... teams are so scared of that tiny man that they hack/hold him when he gets anywhere near open or past them... the key is to use that... get him top 5 in FTs... not off ball.. keep the other teams in foul trouble, keep passing it back to him several times per possession.. don't go 10 possessions in a row, like last night where Dame brings it across, initiates offense by passing and he never gets it back because we settle for an inefficient brick long 2/midrange shot... Dame isn't the problem.. how we use him is the problem.. Coaching and not teaching the idiots next to Dame is the problem.. if Dame hits one 3 pointer then it's make it take it.. noone else shoot until he misses unless you have a dunk.. that's how that MFer has the 3rd most in NBA History of 60+ point games.. his last teammates knew that. He's not a chucker.. again, he's top 10 in TS% if you just look at superstar players.

youre not wrong

[-Jragon-]

I don't agree we need even less defense in the backcourt next to Dame, the issue is trying to use a player to cover up the deficiencies of another player when you need to compete on both sides of the ball. That's why Boston eats our lunch. Pretty hard to explain how the spacing got worse with Dame. He's just a ball pounding scorer, not a guy who can create or shoot off the ball which isn't something we need.

He can create but I feel he just not as competitive like giannis is. I am ready to move on. Team is not going to win it all.

Dame Lillard isn't competitive.... geez guys.. wtf.. MFer is a killer stone trying to figure out why his teammates shoot these dumb$$ long 2s instead of take it in or shoot open 3s.. Boston knows that and that's why they won even shooting a low percentage

[-Jragon-]

I don't agree we need even less defense in the backcourt next to Dame, the issue is trying to use a player to cover up the deficiencies of another player when you need to compete on both sides of the ball. That's why Boston eats our lunch. Pretty hard to explain how the spacing got worse with Dame. He's just a ball pounding scorer, not a guy who can create or shoot off the ball which isn't something we need.

Look at all the superstars in the NBA right now and notice this
... Dame is top 10 in TS% and top 10 in the NBA in # FTs taken .. plus he hits 90%... teams are so scared of that tiny man that they hack/hold him when he gets anywhere near open or past them... the key is to use that... get him top 5 in FTs... not off ball.. keep the other teams in foul trouble, keep passing it back to him several times per possession.. don't go 10 possessions in a row, like last night where Dame brings it across, initiates offense by passing and he never gets it back because we settle for an inefficient brick long 2/midrange shot... Dame isn't the problem.. how we use him is the problem.. Coaching and not teaching the idiots next to Dame is the problem.. if Dame hits one 3 pointer then it's make it take it.. noone else shoot until he misses unless you have a dunk.. that's how that MFer leads the NBA in 50+ point games.. his last teammates knew that. He's not a chucker.. again, he's top 10 in TS% if you just look at superstar players.

Then he should be easy to get value for, he'd be a great scorer for somebody's tank and would probably put up 30ppg that doesn't to wins. Dame needs too many shots and the ball in his hands to be effective while getting targeted relentlessly on defense, only sometimes does that break even. Team was a lot better with Jrue who moved the ball and played defense, need guys who play team ball not more iso scorers.

Bad take... if you keep getting the ball back to him possessions will usually end with FTs or and 1's ..maybe even 3 FTs or 4 point plays instead of dumb brick 2s and that is a winning brand of basketball.

This will also frustrate other teams and get them in foul trouble thereby making it easier for Giannis since they can't hack him... more dunks

[raferfenix]

I believe Windy that the Bucks made trade calls to just about the entire league.

Bobby / Brook / Pat / MarJon obviously were discussed.

Our 2031 first and other young guys probably but less clearly.

Middleton I wonder if the Bucks are sick of his load management. There were reports the team was fed up about it last year.

Dame I’d be surprised if he gets dealt right now but if ownership thinks it’s possible before the deadline that’d certainly color what other moves we’d be willing to make beforehand too.

[-Jragon-]

Guys in here rag on Dame and call him uncompetitive... he's playing... he's in the game... think he can't have a mystery injury where he knows his body better than the doctors too and take some games off? MF is playing and a top 10 most efficient superstar and gets ragged on in here.. nuts

[-Jragon-]

#1 focus right now should be... use Dame early to get other teams bigs in foul trouble so they can't hack Giannis later... then let Giannis (and maybe Brook/Portis if they will take it in strong) feast inside on softer D without said bigs having extra fouls to use (or they will be sitting)

[Ron Swanson]

Kenny Atkinson has the Cavs at 11-0 with the best net-rating in basketball, and Bud has the Suns clicking with the same aging core that looked like a play-in team the last couple seasons. All this crap about blaming Dame, ret-conning Jrue's playoff history with us, finding a new scapegoat every season (but Beasley was totally the problem last year!!) is just a giant distraction from the fact that this franchise is getting perhaps the most immediate and jarring comeuppance of NBA coaching karma in recent history.

[raferfenix]

What teams are desperate enough that they are also looking to make a deal before Dec. 15?

Marc Stein says the Nets may be one:

Dennis Schröder, Dorian Finney-Smith, Bojan Bogdanović are all quality vets possessing sub-$20 million salaries and frequently mentioned by rival teams as players they expect to be moved between now and the Feb. 6 trade deadline. With first-year coach Jordi Fernandez clearly trying to win games, Brooklyn might have to ponder stripping down even earlier than it imagined.

We want any of those guys?

If not a multi-team trade certainly could be possible if someone else does.

[JayMKE]

Look at all the superstars in the NBA right now and notice this
... Dame is top 10 in TS% and top 10 in the NBA in # FTs taken .. plus he hits 90%... teams are so scared of that tiny man that they hack/hold him when he gets anywhere near open or past them... the key is to use that... get him top 5 in FTs... not off ball.. keep the other teams in foul trouble, keep passing it back to him several times per possession.. don't go 10 possessions in a row, like last night where Dame brings it across, initiates offense by passing and he never gets it back because we settle for an inefficient brick long 2/midrange shot... Dame isn't the problem.. how we use him is the problem.. Coaching and not teaching the idiots next to Dame is the problem.. if Dame hits one 3 pointer then it's make it take it.. noone else shoot until he misses unless you have a dunk.. that's how that MFer leads the NBA in 50+ point games.. his last teammates knew that. He's not a chucker.. again, he's top 10 in TS% if you just look at superstar players.

Then he should be easy to get value for, he'd be a great scorer for somebody's tank and would probably put up 30ppg that doesn't to wins. Dame needs too many shots and the ball in his hands to be effective while getting targeted relentlessly on defense, only sometimes does that break even. Team was a lot better with Jrue who moved the ball and played defense, need guys who play team ball not more iso scorers.

Bad take... if you keep getting the ball back to him possessions will usually end with FTs or and 1's ..maybe even 3 FTs or 4 point plays instead of dumb brick 2s and that is a winning brand of basketball.

This will also frustrate other teams and get them in foul trouble thereby making it easier for Giannis since they can't hack him... more dunks

It seems like more & more people have gravitated to my "bad take" since arriving there earlier than most others, the fit fundamentally doesn't work and Dame just isn't a winning player regardless of how you extrapolate his efficiency stats as meaning he needs the ball even more. If he got traded then he wouldn't win there either. Bucks would be better with Jrue because he moves the ball and play defense and is actually better at catch & shoot. The reality is the guy has never once looked like he's wanted to be here on or off the court.

Put a good defensive team around Giannis and both sides of the ball will improve, with Dame we've gone backwards on defense and inexplicably offense as well.

[machu46]

Then he should be easy to get value for, he'd be a great scorer for somebody's tank and would probably put up 30ppg that doesn't to wins. Dame needs too many shots and the ball in his hands to be effective while getting targeted relentlessly on defense, only sometimes does that break even. Team was a lot better with Jrue who moved the ball and played defense, need guys who play team ball not more iso scorers.

Bad take... if you keep getting the ball back to him possessions will usually end with FTs or and 1's ..maybe even 3 FTs or 4 point plays instead of dumb brick 2s and that is a winning brand of basketball.

This will also frustrate other teams and get them in foul trouble thereby making it easier for Giannis since they can't hack him... more dunks

It seems like more & more people have gravitated to my "bad take" since arriving there earlier than most others, the fit fundamentally doesn't work and Dame just isn't a winning player regardless of how you extrapolate his efficiency stats as meaning he needs the ball even more. If he got traded then he wouldn't win there either. Bucks would be better with Jrue because he moves the ball and play defense and is actually better at catch & shoot. The reality is the guy has never once looked like he's wanted to be here on or off the court.

Put a good defensive team around Giannis and both sides of the ball will improve, with Dame we've gone backwards on defense and inexplicably offense as well.

The offense is worse because nobody can hit open shots outside of Dame, Green, and Prince, and there's only so much the latter two can do in their limited minutes/usage.

Defense was obviously always going to be worse with Dame but the offense will almost certainly be improved if guys just shoot the way they have shot their entire careers.

I do think there's something to the theory that we are potentially better, particularly in the regular season, if we go back to building the team around defense and Giannis doing more on the ball offensively again but then we likely run into the same playoff issues as always: defenses guard Giannis a bit better and the offense completely falls apart.

Fact of the matter is there's no easy answers for how to fix the team right now, but guys simply shooting the way they're expected to would be a good start.

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[JayMKE]

Bad take... if you keep getting the ball back to him possessions will usually end with FTs or and 1's ..maybe even 3 FTs or 4 point plays instead of dumb brick 2s and that is a winning brand of basketball.

This will also frustrate other teams and get them in foul trouble thereby making it easier for Giannis since they can't hack him... more dunks

It seems like more & more people have gravitated to my "bad take" since arriving there earlier than most others, the fit fundamentally doesn't work and Dame just isn't a winning player regardless of how you extrapolate his efficiency stats as meaning he needs the ball even more. If he got traded then he wouldn't win there either. Bucks would be better with Jrue because he moves the ball and play defense and is actually better at catch & shoot. The reality is the guy has never once looked like he's wanted to be here on or off the court.

Put a good defensive team around Giannis and both sides of the ball will improve, with Dame we've gone backwards on defense and inexplicably offense as well.

The offense is worse because nobody can hit open shots outside of Dame, Green, and Prince, and there's only so much the latter two can do in their limited minutes/usage.

Defense was obviously always going to be worse with Dame but the offense will almost certainly be improved if guys just shoot the way they have shot their entire careers.

I do think there's something to the theory that we are potentially better, particularly in the regular season, if we go back to building the team around defense and Giannis doing more on the ball offensively again but then we likely run into the same playoff issues as always: defenses guard Giannis a bit better and the offense completely falls apart.

Fact of the matter is there's no easy answers for how to fix the team right now, but guys simply shooting the way they're expected to would be a good start.

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Except the times that it did work, I think the our failures in the playoffs were over-interpreted and its led to the team being absolutely gutted & taking a step back at literally everything from top to bottom in the organization. Won't even get an opportunity to fail now. I'd much rather build around our formerly elite RS offense and defense over this idea that all these talented iso scorers are going to click & start playing D & sharing the ball in playoffs. Play defense, rebound the ball, get out on the fastbreak, that's how you win not by having Dame walk the ball up after giving up an open 3.

[-Jragon-]

Then he should be easy to get value for, he'd be a great scorer for somebody's tank and would probably put up 30ppg that doesn't to wins. Dame needs too many shots and the ball in his hands to be effective while getting targeted relentlessly on defense, only sometimes does that break even. Team was a lot better with Jrue who moved the ball and played defense, need guys who play team ball not more iso scorers.

Bad take... if you keep getting the ball back to him possessions will usually end with FTs or and 1's ..maybe even 3 FTs or 4 point plays instead of dumb brick 2s and that is a winning brand of basketball.

This will also frustrate other teams and get them in foul trouble thereby making it easier for Giannis since they can't hack him... more dunks

It seems like more & more people have gravitated to my "bad take" since arriving there earlier than most others, the fit fundamentally doesn't work and Dame just isn't a winning player regardless of how you extrapolate his efficiency stats as meaning he needs the ball even more. If he got traded then he wouldn't win there either. Bucks would be better with Jrue because he moves the ball and play defense and is actually better at catch & shoot. The reality is the guy has never once looked like he's wanted to be here on or off the court.

Put a good defensive team around Giannis and both sides of the ball will improve, with Dame we've gone backwards on defense and inexplicably offense as well.

Bud was a master at using guys for what their strengths ARE not what they should be... forcing Dame to be off-ball is an exercise of faulty decision making ... Doc, Giannis and anyone else that's forcing that

[BUCKnation]

Thunder got so many assets that I got a hard time seeing them willing to deal Caruso for Bobby alone.

That’s despite his bad start in OKC and Chet injury.

But if there is any way to get that guy go get him.

Known for his fantastic shooting, Caruso has only made five total 3-pointers this season, while shooting an ugly 20.8 percent from deep.

Of course, it isn't just his long ball that hasn't been falling, but, seemingly, every shot, as the veteran is shooting 28 percent from the field. In fact, Caruso has more steals (17) than shots made (12) this season.

https://thunderousintentions.com/okc-thunder-slow-start-alex-caruso-brighter-days-ahead

Those numbers would fit right in on this team