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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1221 » by chonestown » Mon May 26, 2014 9:20 pm

giraldo5 wrote:If we draft Parker we just better hope white dude with a bunch of tattoos from Mercer doesn't sign with a team. He was lightning quick. So quick that Parker was benched in the most important game of the year. Maybe we should look at drafting him at #2.


White guard from Duke > White dude with bunch of tattoos from Mercer.

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1222 » by giraldo5 » Mon May 26, 2014 9:21 pm

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I'll just assume you didn't watch any games of kansas when embiid was out. The team became very average and so did wiggins for the most part.


Except for the two straight games that he scored 40 and 30 plus points.

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At the end of the day he performed worse than parker when his team got eliminated from the tourney so bringing up the mercer game to discredit parker is stupid.



Wiggins didn't get benched like Parker did.
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Post#1223 » by giraldo5 » Mon May 26, 2014 9:22 pm

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giraldo5 wrote:If we draft Parker we just better hope white dude with a bunch of tattoos from Mercer doesn't sign with a team. He was lightning quick. So quick that Parker was benched in the most important game of the year. Maybe we should look at drafting him at #2.


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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1224 » by bullox » Mon May 26, 2014 9:23 pm

An insane amount of stock is being placed on one individual game. Players do occasionally have off games.

Some of these posts aren't worth a response BTW.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1225 » by Charles Lee Ray » Mon May 26, 2014 9:23 pm

giraldo5 wrote:
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Except for the two straight games that he scored 40 and 30 plus points.

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At the end of the day he performed worse than parker when his team got eliminated from the tourney so bringing up the mercer game to discredit parker is stupid.



Wiggins didn't get benched like Parker did.


Maybe he should have, he wasn't even trying..
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Post#1226 » by giraldo5 » Mon May 26, 2014 9:26 pm

bullox wrote:An insane amount of stock is being placed on one individual game. Players do occasionally have off games.

Some of these posts aren't worth a response BTW.



It's pertinent. He got benched because he could not stay with the big guy from Mercer. If he can't stay in front of him, how in the hell is he going to stay in front of NBA caliber players? And it wasn't just any game, it was the most important game of the season. And the greatest college coach of all time had to remove him from the game for the benefit of his team. I just personally don't feel that is a minor detail. Go ahead and post some breakaway dunk GIF's to change my mind.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1227 » by JayMKE » Mon May 26, 2014 9:26 pm

giraldo5 wrote:
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Except for the two straight games that he scored 40 and 30 plus points.

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At the end of the day he performed worse than parker when his team got eliminated from the tourney so bringing up the mercer game to discredit parker is stupid.



Wiggins didn't get benched like Parker did.


Maybe getting benched was the WRONG decision by Coach K? They lost, maybe they win with Parker. Coach K isn't god.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1228 » by paulpressey25 » Mon May 26, 2014 9:31 pm

I think it is counter-productive to slam Wiggins and Parker on their final NCAA games. They both laid an egg, which put doubts in people's minds. Of all the top 8 guys, Julius Randle is arguable the only one who played big in the NCAA's, but I'm not taking him top three.

Jabari has serious issues defending, which we saw in the prior 34 games.

Wiggins has serious issues creating his own shot in a half-court offense, which we also saw in the prior 34 games.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1229 » by giraldo5 » Mon May 26, 2014 9:35 pm

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giraldo5 wrote:
Charles Lee Ray wrote:
At the end of the day he performed worse than parker when his team got eliminated from the tourney so bringing up the mercer game to discredit parker is stupid.



Wiggins didn't get benched like Parker did.


Maybe getting benched was the WRONG decision by Coach K? They lost, maybe they win with Parker. Coach K isn't god.



Wrong decision? Go ahead and read/watch the following link. Then try and defend Parker's "defense"

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... r-and-hood
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1230 » by Max Green » Mon May 26, 2014 9:57 pm

giraldo5 wrote:
JayMKE wrote:
giraldo5 wrote:

Wiggins didn't get benched like Parker did.


Maybe getting benched was the WRONG decision by Coach K? They lost, maybe they win with Parker. Coach K isn't god.



Wrong decision? Go ahead and read/watch the following link. Then try and defend Parker's "defense"

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... r-and-hood


He looked bad defensively in that game no doubt. But the author even raises the question if Parker should have been benched. But keep overreacting to one game, like there isn't plenty of other star players who didn't lay eggs in the NCAA tournament. Even the article you posted suggests not to put to much stock into the game.

But to look at Duke's trainwreck of an upset loss vs. Mercer and conclude that this should significantly affect Parker's draft stock is nuts. If you don't like his defense year-round, that's a legit concern. But no one game should affect a player's stock, even if it's the last one, and especially not one in which he wasn't given the opportunity to let his skills shine.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1231 » by giraldo5 » Mon May 26, 2014 10:04 pm

Max Green wrote:
giraldo5 wrote:
JayMKE wrote:
Maybe getting benched was the WRONG decision by Coach K? They lost, maybe they win with Parker. Coach K isn't god.



Wrong decision? Go ahead and read/watch the following link. Then try and defend Parker's "defense"

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... r-and-hood


He looked bad defensively in that game no doubt. But the author even raises the question if Parker should have been benched. But keep overreacting to one game, like there isn't plenty of other star players who didn't lay eggs in the NCAA tournament. Even the article you posted suggests not to put to much stock into the game.

But to look at Duke's trainwreck of an upset loss vs. Mercer and conclude that this should significantly affect Parker's draft stock is nuts. If you don't like his defense year-round, that's a legit concern. But no one game should affect a player's stock, even if it's the last one, and especially not one in which he wasn't given the opportunity to let his skills shine.



Prospects have bad games all the time no doubt. I just can't remember seeing a star like this being picked on play after play defensively. I think he's a very good offensive player, but who does he guard at the next level? His best case scenerio imo is a Big Dog/Redd type guy.

The fact that his biggest supporters on here cite Giannis and Larry being able to cover-up his deficiencies is a huge red flag. I don't want to draft someone at #2 who has deficiencies. I want the guy to be covering up other people's shortcomings.

I'm firmly in the Embiid/Wiggins camp while being open minded to Exum if we deem him BPA.
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Post#1232 » by Max Green » Mon May 26, 2014 10:18 pm

giraldo5 wrote:
Max Green wrote:
giraldo5 wrote:

Wrong decision? Go ahead and read/watch the following link. Then try and defend Parker's "defense"

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... r-and-hood


He looked bad defensively in that game no doubt. But the author even raises the question if Parker should have been benched. But keep overreacting to one game, like there isn't plenty of other star players who didn't lay eggs in the NCAA tournament. Even the article you posted suggests not to put to much stock into the game.

But to look at Duke's trainwreck of an upset loss vs. Mercer and conclude that this should significantly affect Parker's draft stock is nuts. If you don't like his defense year-round, that's a legit concern. But no one game should affect a player's stock, even if it's the last one, and especially not one in which he wasn't given the opportunity to let his skills shine.



Prospects have bad games all the time no doubt. I just can't remember seeing a star like this being picked on play after play defensively. I think he's a very good offensive player, but who does he guard at the next level? His best case scenerio imo is a Big Dog/Redd type guy.

The fact that his biggest supporters on here cite Giannis and Larry being able to cover-up his deficiencies is a huge red flag. I don't want to draft someone at #2 who has deficiencies. I want the guy to be covering up other people's shortcomings.

I'm firmly in the Embiid/Wiggins camp while being open minded to Exum if we deem him BPA.


I have no problem with anyone having Embiid/Wiggins or even Exum over Parker. But they all have deficiencies, not just Parker. I'm sure most Parker supporters cite Yanni & Larry being able to cover up for Parker in some defensive situations if needed is a worst-case scenario. With NBA Conditioning, Coaching etc.. I fully believe Parker won't be a liability on defense in the NBA. Speaking of Yanni & Larry he would be able to help cover up their shortcomings by taking pressure off them scoring the basketball on the other end of the floor. Larry is really bad offensively and Giannis is an great playmaker and having someone who can constantly play off of and score in a variety of ways on the opportunities he create would help take his game to the next level.
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Post#1233 » by AussieBuck » Mon May 26, 2014 10:24 pm

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Wiggins scares the hell out of me. I'm planning a big scouting period after my exams so I've tentatively got Exum at two and Parker at three.

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1234 » by giraldo5 » Mon May 26, 2014 10:27 pm

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He looked bad defensively in that game no doubt. But the author even raises the question if Parker should have been benched. But keep overreacting to one game, like there isn't plenty of other star players who didn't lay eggs in the NCAA tournament. Even the article you posted suggests not to put to much stock into the game.




Prospects have bad games all the time no doubt. I just can't remember seeing a star like this being picked on play after play defensively. I think he's a very good offensive player, but who does he guard at the next level? His best case scenerio imo is a Big Dog/Redd type guy.

The fact that his biggest supporters on here cite Giannis and Larry being able to cover-up his deficiencies is a huge red flag. I don't want to draft someone at #2 who has deficiencies. I want the guy to be covering up other people's shortcomings.

I'm firmly in the Embiid/Wiggins camp while being open minded to Exum if we deem him BPA.


I have no problem with anyone having Embiid/Wiggins or even Exum over Parker. But they all have deficiencies, not just Parker. I'm sure most Parker supporters cite Yanni & Larry being able to cover up for Parker in some defensive situations if needed is a worst-case scenario. With NBA Conditioning, Coaching etc.. I fully believe Parker won't be a liability on defense in the NBA. Speaking of Yanni & Larry he would be able to help cover up their shortcomings by taking pressure off them scoring the basketball on the other end of the floor. Larry is really bad offensively and Giannis is an great playmaker and having someone who can constantly play off of and score in a variety of ways on the opportunities he create would help take his game to the next level.


I see all four guys having excellent offensive futures and Wiggins,Embiid and Exum having excellent defensive ability where as Parker does not. I like Parker just not in the top three. He is right there with Smart, Gordon, Randle, Vonleh imo. A very nice prospect with clear deficiencies in his game.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1235 » by Matches Malone » Mon May 26, 2014 11:33 pm

Hammond, Babcock and Mckinney watching LaVine in the front row.

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Post#1236 » by breakchains » Mon May 26, 2014 11:40 pm

LaVine is a ridiculous talent. Probably one of the most polarizing players in this draft when it comes to where different teams have him rated on the board.

By the way, I have heard talk about him being a PG. I don't agree. He is 2 who can handle the ball.
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Post#1237 » by RiotPunch » Mon May 26, 2014 11:45 pm

I like LaVine, but he is going to get overdrafted, imo. There is a handful of players I'd rather target in the mid/late 1st if we jump back into the round.

And yeah, he is not a PG. I really haven't heard people saying that for quite some time now-- he is a pretty clear-cut 2 guard.

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1238 » by breakchains » Mon May 26, 2014 11:48 pm

RiotPunch wrote:I like LaVine, but he is going to get overdrafted, imo. There is a handful of players I'd rather target in the mid/late 1st if we jump back into the round.

And yeah, he is not a PG. I really haven't heard people saying that for quite some time now-- he is a pretty clear-cut 2 guard.


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Some have been saying that since the season ended.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1239 » by Matches Malone » Mon May 26, 2014 11:54 pm

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1240 » by randy84 » Mon May 26, 2014 11:54 pm

giraldo5 wrote:
bullox wrote:An insane amount of stock is being placed on one individual game. Players do occasionally have off games.

Some of these posts aren't worth a response BTW.



It's pertinent. He got benched because he could not stay with the big guy from Mercer. If he can't stay in front of him, how in the hell is he going to stay in front of NBA caliber players? And it wasn't just any game, it was the most important game of the season. And the greatest college coach of all time had to remove him from the game for the benefit of his team. I just personally don't feel that is a minor detail. Go ahead and post some breakaway dunk GIF's to change my mind.


According to this logic, if the Bucks draft Wiggins then they should be worried about who drafts John Huestis.

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