ATL - Kyrie Dealt to Boston for IT, Crowder, Nets pick, etc Pg 87

ReginaldDwight · Post #1221 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:00 pm

Chapter29 wrote:
M-C-G wrote:Could someone prove or disprove this argument that Kyrie "gives up as much as he gets"? Looking at his on/offs I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the argument, but before looking at that, I might have agreed.

So which is it, how valuable is this guy while on the court?

Yeah, see this is my thing. Does he even play winning basketball? My gut says no. But then you look at his talent and you think how can that be?

Did you watch game 7 2016?

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1222 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:32 pm

Fotis St wrote:As many as already said ... Kyrie 's public excuse is probably fake and the true reason behind this, is that he knows LeBron is leaving next summer.

So yes the "I want to be the man" is the quarter of the true reason behind all this. 3/4 is LeBron leaving

What benefit is there for Kyrie to lie to protect LeBron if he's so pissed at LeBron? If LeBron is leaving next summer, then why doesn't Kyrie just demand a trade next summer? Why was there a report that Kyrie wasn't happy last summer and nearly demanded a trade a year ago while LeBron signed a multi-year contract that offseason?

M-C-G · Post #1223 » by **M-C-G** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:41 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
Fotis St wrote:As many as already said ... Kyrie 's public excuse is probably fake and the true reason behind this, is that he knows LeBron is leaving next summer.

So yes the "I want to be the man" is the quarter of the true reason behind all this. 3/4 is LeBron leaving

What benefit is there for Kyrie to lie to protect LeBron if he's so pissed at LeBron? If LeBron is leaving next summer, then why doesn't Kyrie just demand a trade next summer? Why was there a report that Kyrie wasn't happy last summer and nearly demanded a trade a year ago while LeBron signed a multi-year contract that offseason?

I'm telling you , I think this has everything to do with them using him in trade talks. If all he wanted was his own team he'd just wait out Lebron one year. Also wouldn't surprise me if he blames Lebron for trying to trade him.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Matches Malone · Post #1224 » by **Matches Malone** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:56 pm

Read on Twitter

JEIS · Post #1225 » by **JEIS** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:03 pm

M-C-G wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:
Fotis St wrote:As many as already said ... Kyrie 's public excuse is probably fake and the true reason behind this, is that he knows LeBron is leaving next summer.

So yes the "I want to be the man" is the quarter of the true reason behind all this. 3/4 is LeBron leaving

What benefit is there for Kyrie to lie to protect LeBron if he's so pissed at LeBron? If LeBron is leaving next summer, then why doesn't Kyrie just demand a trade next summer? Why was there a report that Kyrie wasn't happy last summer and nearly demanded a trade a year ago while LeBron signed a multi-year contract that offseason?

I'm telling you , I think this has everything to do with them using him in trade talks. If all he wanted was his own team he'd just wait out Lebron one year. Also wouldn't surprise me if he blames Lebron for trying to trade him.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This seems very plausable. Everybody knows management typically wouldn't do anything to risk Lebrons departure without his concent.... Maybe they were trying to get Chris Paul in a sign and trade to keep Lebron happy... Sound like something Kyrie could get upset about and say screw this Place and Lebron.

nmeurett · Post #1226 » by **nmeurett** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:08 pm

Just hypothetical and I probably still say no but would you do Giannis,delly,Henson for Kyrie and Love?

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Frank Nova · Post #1227 » by **Frank Nova** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:16 pm

Matches Malone wrote:

Read on Twitter

That's a pretty legit trade actually. Makes enough sense that it won't happen.

Matches Malone · Post #1228 » by **Matches Malone** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:26 pm

nmeurett wrote:Just hypothetical and I probably still say no but would you do Giannis,delly,Henson for Kyrie and Love?

Matches Malone · Post #1229 » by **Matches Malone** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:27 pm

Watch on YouTube

jute2003 · Post #1230 » by **jute2003** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:28 pm

nmeurett wrote:Just hypothetical and I probably still say no but would you do Giannis,delly,Henson for Kyrie and Love?

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Dude is trolling right? Right?!?

Profound23 · Post #1231 » by **Profound23** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:46 pm

weezybaby856 wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:

Read on Twitter

That's a pretty legit trade actually. Makes enough sense that it won't happen.

Agreed, actually I think the Suns get the best of the trade long term......Cavs get a decent return.....Knicks sell tickets and Kyrie/Porzingis work well together.

Profound23 · Post #1232 » by **Profound23** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:48 pm

I wouldn't trade Giannis for anyone. You have a star who wants to stay in Milwaukee......don't trade him.

If we didn't learn anything from the Ray Allen deal..........

RRyder823 · Post #1233 » by **RRyder823** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:20 pm

Chapter29 wrote:
M-C-G wrote:Could someone prove or disprove this argument that Kyrie "gives up as much as he gets"? Looking at his on/offs I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the argument, but before looking at that, I might have agreed.

So which is it, how valuable is this guy while on the court?

Yeah, see this is my thing. Does he even play winning basketball? My gut says no. But then you look at his talent and you think how can that be?

Man wins a championship...... People still don't think he plays winning basketball......

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using RealGM mobile app

Ron Swanson · Post #1234 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:43 pm

Kyrie consistently performing at an elite level in the postseason and in clutch situations, while still having to deal with people questioning how much he contributes to winning basketball, is one of the most confusing criticisms/narratives.

Like Porzingis, if you can get him without gutting your team, then you do it.

drat456 · Post #1235 » by **drat456** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:50 pm

Saw live odds on kyries new team next year the field moved from +750 to +350 since yesterday and cavs dropped from -200 to -150.

Cleveland Cavaliers -150
53202 New York Knicks +500
53203 San Antonio Spurs +1000
53204 Minnesota Timberwolves +1600
53205 Field (any other team) +350

kid idioteque · Post #1236 » by **kid idioteque** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:25 pm

Magic Giannison wrote:Kyrie followed Delly and Henson on twitter and Packers....

Its happening boys

People need to stop posting this, it's not true.

GoldenAntlers · Post #1237 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:56 pm

I agree with those who say this is more about Lebron leaving. Everyday, I'm more open to trading anybody not named Giannis.

Bernman · Post #1238 » by **Bernman** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:58 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Kyrie consistently performing at an elite level in the postseason and in clutch situations, while still having to deal with people questioning how much he contributes to winning basketball, is one of the most confusing criticisms/narratives.

Like Porzingis, if you can get him without gutting your team, then you do it.

It's confusing why you'd think a tiny sample overrides a much bigger one, and why you think you can cherry pick from said small sample. For example, he arguably lost them game 3 by chucking, so his clutchness goes both ways (it's really live and die by him, when you'd rather do it w/ the much better player in LeBron) and you're ignoring his defense is consistently bad even when the shots are going in.

Tfence92 · Post #1239 » by **Tfence92** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:17 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
Chapter29 wrote:
M-C-G wrote:Could someone prove or disprove this argument that Kyrie "gives up as much as he gets"? Looking at his on/offs I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the argument, but before looking at that, I might have agreed.

So which is it, how valuable is this guy while on the court?

Yeah, see this is my thing. Does he even play winning basketball? My gut says no. But then you look at his talent and you think how can that be?

Man wins a championship...... People still don't think he plays winning basketball......

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using RealGM mobile app

215 losses over 4 years without Lebron.... and people think he's a star...

RRyder823 · Post #1240 » by **RRyder823** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:27 pm

Tfence92 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
Chapter29 wrote:
Yeah, see this is my thing. Does he even play winning basketball? My gut says no. But then you look at his talent and you think how can that be?

Man wins a championship...... People still don't think he plays winning basketball......

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using RealGM mobile app

215 losses over 4 years without Lebron.... and people think he's a star...

Yeah because young players entering the league should definitely be able to carry a crap team. Let's add up the losses for Giannis over 4 years. Losses have been piling up for AD. KAT and KP too. Not a star in the bunch apparently.

"He lost alot untill Lebron came back" is just a horrible argument. Young players on bad teams are going to lose alot.

Once again. How can you say a man doesn't play winning basketball when he's actually won?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using RealGM mobile app