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[skones]

Yeah, teams sign 36yr old 10th men for 2yrs $14mil all the time. How dare the Bucks not do that.

Except he was a starter on a championship team, but go off I guess

As everyone knows, father time is actually winless.

[ShootingtheJ]

New previously unreleased data on "PJ is a scrub" has been unearthed and it's damning!



One game samples are sick and all though.

It's the beginning of his regression. By the end of the year his numbers will be ugly. Everyone can see that, except someone blinded by fandome.

[Baddy Chuck]

New previously unreleased data on "PJ is a scrub" has been unearthed and it's damning!



One game samples are sick and all though.

It's the beginning of his regression. By the end of the year his numbers will be ugly. Everyone can see that, except someone blinded by fandome.

You honestly say the most unintentionally funny **** ever.

Guy has an awesome 2 months to start the season.

IT'S THE BEGINNING OF HIS REGRESSION!

You wanna talk about blinded by fandom, oof. Tubby Tucker though.

[ShootingtheJ]

New previously unreleased data on "PJ is a scrub" has been unearthed and it's damning!



One game samples are sick and all though.

It's the beginning of his regression. By the end of the year his numbers will be ugly. Everyone can see that, except someone blinded by fandome.

You honestly say the most unintentionally funny **** ever.

Guy has an awesome 2 months to start the season.

IT'S THE BEGINNING OF HIS REGRESSION!

You wanna talk about blinded by fandom, oof. Tubby Tucker though.

Your fandome is so interesting. Your 3 favorite players are the guy who threatened to shoot his baby momma, pouty boy, and Harden. It says a lot about you, but it's weird that your a Bucks fan. Oh well, you be you.

[Baddy Chuck]

Your fandome is so interesting. Your 3 favorite players are the guy who threatened to shoot his baby momma, pouty boy, and Harden. It says a lot about you, but it's weird that your a Bucks fan. Oh well, you be you.

I have no idea who pouty boy is even supposed to be referring to and James Harden probably isn't in my top 50 players, though I respect his talent.

But yeah, Boogie did say some dumb **** once in frustration over not having his son at his wedding. But Miami fans should be mad they got Tucker and replaced a guy who literally plead guilty to hitting a woman.

[Baddy Chuck]

I just figured out that pouty boy is PJ Tucker. You're literally calling out my fandom for liking a guy who was an integral part of a championship run of our favorite team and I'm the one with weird allegiances?

LMAO, again some of the most unintentionally hilarious **** on this forum. Guess I should be upset that we didn't trade for my version of Delon Wright and lose in the second round or something. Sorry for being a bad Bucks fan! L O **** L. What a joke.

[TroyD92]

Yeah, teams sign 36yr old 10th men for 2yrs $14mil all the time. How dare the Bucks not do that.

Except he was a starter on a championship team, but go off I guess

Due to injury but go off I guess.

Still won a championship. Does that make him not a starter now? Some of you are so weird about Tucker

[TroyD92]

Yeah, teams sign 36yr old 10th men for 2yrs $14mil all the time. How dare the Bucks not do that.

Except he was a starter on a championship team, but go off I guess

As everyone knows, father time is actually winless.

I disputed the fact that he was a 10th man not that he wouldn't eventually retire. 2 year 14 million is chump change in the modern nba anyways.

[WRau1]

Except he was a starter on a championship team, but go off I guess

Due to injury but go off I guess.

Still won a championship. Does that make him not a starter now? Some of you are so weird about Tucker

No, it obviously doesn't make him a starter in the sense you're trying to make it out to be. Portis started a few games when Giannis was out in the ECF, I guess that makes him a starter in a championship team now, too. I'm willing to bet that if Tucker would've accepted a 1yr/$4mil deal like Bobby did, Tucker would likely still be a Buck.

[emunney]

Due to injury but go off I guess.

Still won a championship. Does that make him not a starter now? Some of you are so weird about Tucker

No, it obviously doesn't make him a starter in the sense you're trying to make it out to be. Portis started a few games when Giannis was out in the ECF, I guess that makes him a starter in a championship team now, too. I'm willing to bet that if Tucker would've accepted a 1yr/$4mil deal like Bobby did, Tucker would likely still be a Buck.

The team actually, in reality, won 3 playoff series with him as the starter and playing heavy minutes, including the last two games of the ECF without Giannis, and it matters to you that he wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for injury? Big ass asterisk on Lou Gehrig's career I guess.

The thing about expanding the definition to include Portis is that we kept Portis. Did anybody want Portis to walk? Would anybody have been happy if he was playing elsewhere on a 2/14 deal?

[Ron Swanson]

A guy like PJ in theory should never be the difference in this team repeating as champions, but it's hilarious how many people are still doubling and even tripling down on their "PJ is washed" takes. We've been hearing this dumb **** since we acquired him last March and it continues to be wrong.

Just take the L and move on.

[WRau1]

Still won a championship. Does that make him not a starter now? Some of you are so weird about Tucker

No, it obviously doesn't make him a starter in the sense you're trying to make it out to be. Portis started a few games when Giannis was out in the ECF, I guess that makes him a starter in a championship team now, too. I'm willing to bet that if Tucker would've accepted a 1yr/$4mil deal like Bobby did, Tucker would likely still be a Buck.

The team actually, in reality, won 3 playoff series with him as the starter and playing heavy minutes, including the last two games of the ECF without Giannis, and it matters to you that he wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for injury? Big ass asterisk on Lou Gehrig's career I guess.

The thing about expanding the definition to include Portis is that we kept Portis. Did anybody want Portis to walk? Would anybody have been happy if he was playing elsewhere on a 2/14 deal?

You can keep playing your what if games but context matters. Portis is here and Tucker isn't, clearly there's a reason for that and it wasn't the owners trying to save money.

[Baddy Chuck]

You can keep playing your what if games but context matters. Portis is here and Tucker isn't, clearly there's a reason for that and it wasn't the owners trying to save money.

Didn't you literally just say if he took less money he'd be here?

[WRau1]

You can keep playing your what if games but context matters. Portis is here and Tucker isn't, clearly there's a reason for that and it wasn't the owners trying to save money.

Didn't you literally just say if he took less money he'd be here?

I literally just said that Tucker isn't here for a reason and it isn't because the owners are cheap. Clearly they are willing to spend based on the multiple moves we've made this offseason.

[M-C-G]

I like PJ Tucker. Would watch again.


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[Baddy Chuck]

You can keep playing your what if games but context matters. Portis is here and Tucker isn't, clearly there's a reason for that and it wasn't the owners trying to save money.

Didn't you literally just say if he took less money he'd be here?

I literally just said that Tucker isn't here for a reason and it isn't because the owners are cheap. Clearly they are willing to spend based on the multiple moves we've made this offseason.

Well no, you literally said "it wasn't the owners trying to save money" when saying that if he accepted less money he'd be here. They were literally trying to save money on a contract from him that he just went and got elsewhere.

Like obviously I do agree they aren't "cheap". They're paying a ton of money for an NBA roster. I do think they "cheaped out" on Tucker though given the circumstances.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Also, and the Bucks would never say it out loud, but I don't think they viewed PJ as a cultural fit. He showed up fat and pouted last year, and the diamonds in the shoes doesn't exactly mesh with the superstar who's excited over free water.

LOL **** off. I can't believe you're still doubling down on this Facebook uncle conspiracy **** regarding Tucker.

I don't agree with the specifics of STJ's take, but I could see them passing. I think PJ is a passionate and sometime over confident player. He was great in his role last year coming in at the min and low-risk. Not sure you get the same fit when he comes back another year older and expecting playing time/starters minutes. If we had a healthy Bro-lo, Portis, Giannis, Allen, Pat, Midds, DDV, Jrue, Hill, how many minutes would PJ get? I think there is a real possibility bud didn't want to either play a guy who gets you 5pts/36 or deal with him being upset glued to the bench. IDK, I never got the warm and fuzzies about PJ. Feel he was more of a Rison type pickup where you squeeze a ring out of him, but move on before paying the cost.

Ultimately, it came down to money and I don't blame* owners not wanting to pay that price for a 6'5" 37 year old PF.

*I recognize they are greedy humans and the reality of the situation is they care about money and $30m is still a lot no matter who you are

[skones]

Except he was a starter on a championship team, but go off I guess

As everyone knows, father time is actually winless.

I disputed the fact that he was a 10th man not that he wouldn't eventually retire. 2 year 14 million is chump change in the modern nba anyways.

No, 2 years 14 million is not "chump change" given the context of the situation we're looking at. There's this weird sentiment going around that the owners should pay whatever to keep the championship aspirations alive and yadda yadda yadda. While that's fine to an extent, if your window, in ANY way moving forward, hinges upon the contributions of PJ Tucker ESPECIALLY at the price point being discussed, you've got bigger fish to fry.

We just signed Wes Matthews off the street. You'd have a very hard time convincing me that the difference between the two is 25+ million.

[old skool]

I think the Bucks saw better options.

Like what? Semi? Hood? Thanasis? Nwora? This is my biggest bone of contention with the PJ stuff. People keep saying that the Bucks were looking forward when they literally had nothing to look forward to. Our only option with letting PJ Tucker go was replacing him with just significantly worse players from the get go(*) and so far this season, the ever illuminating one game samples aside, PJ has been a legitimately good player for Miami much like he was for us during our CHAMPIONSHIP RUN while the guys who were begging for minimum contracts to be blunt, suck (which was to be expected). "Better options" is simply such an insane cop out for them. If the goal was winning basketball games, far and away the best option for them was signing PJ Tucker. They knew that. You know that. Everyone outside of the one person in the world who thought Semi Ojeleye was an upgrade knows that (even he deep down probably does). It was a money play. Nothing more. Nothing less. If you can sympathize with the B's over the play then go for it but there's no need to spin it as anything else.

*I guess I'll add if they wanted to go the route of like completely unproven swing for the fences type guys you could make an argument they were trying to improve the team in some way.

Hey, I respect your thoughts on Tucker. He was a proven contributor on championship team. At some point he will devolve to no longer be that contributor. If, after seeing him up close, the Bucks FO projected that his eventual decline would occur this season or next and thus felt that it would be better to invest dollars in Grayson Allen or a player that might be available at the trade deadline or in the buyout market, moving on would seem reasonable to me. The FO could have expected Ojeleye, or Hood or Thanasis to fill Tucker's role, but I would think they are aiming higher than that for the price involved and the role PJ had. Hard for me to evaluate the alternatives without knowing definitively what those alternatives might be. I expect the FO would have kept Tucker if they did not feel they could replace him. The key factor in that decision is likely determining when Tucker will decline, a determination that inherently is less than perfect. Maybe the Bucks won't be able to find a PJ Tucker level replacement between now and April. Maybe they will. Maybe the Grayson Allen addition makes up for the loss of TJ. Maybe not. At this point, we don't know what potential options the Bucks have in mind, just like we didn't have Tucker on our radar a year ago.

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[Daver]

This debate between tucker being here n not will i feel really explode if the bucks dont win a ship this year.
For me it wont be how bad giannis or midds or jrue played all we will here is see should of kept tucker