Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[pifhluk23]

It's been time to move off Brook for probably 3+ years. If he wants to do a sign and trade (to Orlando?) that would be awesome but otherwise I'm not bringing him back.

[raferfenix]

KPJ has had a relationship with the Bucks since he played in Greece.

Clearly something is clicking with Giannis.

It was only a matter of weeks ago he could barely get off the Clippers’ bench.

The NTMLE player option with a Bobby “we’ll take care of you when we can” promise could be enticing if he sees himself unlocking his potential here.

….but if the Bucks flame out and fire Horst / Doc with Giannis trade prospects rising, that might not be the case.

What happens come playoffs could determine a whole hell of a lot moving forward!

[yb90]

KPJ’s play has been great so farcand why I thought it made sense business wise for the Bucks to go after him in free agency. He was a boom a bust young guy with athleticism that could grow to fit in between Dame and Midds. We all know that didn't work out in FA and Midds is now gone plus Dame is out. Going forward KPJ could be the Austin Reaves or Derrick White type player the Bucks need in between Dame and Giannis. His game would have to grow like those players did but he has the talent to be an 18-20 pts, 5+ rebs. And 5+ asts. guy. The question is can he do that with efficient scoring?

[Bernman]

Given KPJ’s age, talent, and athleticism, he is well above anyone else on the roster sans GA/Dame in terms of priority of keeping. Above all of Lopez, Portis, Trent, etc. it’s really unfortunate that Kuzma has been pretty bad, but at least and he and KPJ bring some athleticism to the aging core.

Either way, KPJ needs to get done.

Why would Dame be a higher priority? He'll be almost 36 at the end of next playoffs. He doesn't play d, is a clunky fit next to Giannis, & will be the 2nd highest paid player in the league.

W/ the emergence of KPJ as a #2 option replacement, we should get off the Dame train, if we can get a couple good players for him. Like a Naz Reid (s&t) + Keegan Murray deal (if legal) we should jump at. We arguably should have bailed on the Dame direction, regardless of the KPJ emergence.

[M-C-G]

Given KPJ’s age, talent, and athleticism, he is well above anyone else on the roster sans GA/Dame in terms of priority of keeping. Above all of Lopez, Portis, Trent, etc. it’s really unfortunate that Kuzma has been pretty bad, but at least and he and KPJ bring some athleticism to the aging core.

Either way, KPJ needs to get done.

Why would Dame be a higher priority? He'll be almost 36 at the end of next playoffs. He doesn't play d, is a clunky fit next to Giannis, & will be the 2nd highest paid player in the league.

W/ the emergence of KPJ as a #2 option replacement, we should get off the Dame train, if we can get a couple good players for him. Like a Naz Reid (s&t) + Keegan Murray deal (if legal) we should jump at. We arguably should have bailed on the Dame direction, regardless of the KPJ emergence.

It’s risky for sure but I think keeping KPJ and retooling the roster around him and Giannis should be the plan. If Brook wants to stay and come off the bench great, but it’s beyond time to get faster, more athletic and reset for the back half of Giannis career. Get him a bunch of high energy guys and use Dame to either get a Herb Jones kind of player or restock our picks or both.

[Ron Swanson]

If anything the goal should be retaining KPJ to add to Giannis/Dame. Have we learned nothing from how much this team sucks in the half-court with just one perimeter dude that can create off the dribble? It was a problem even when we had good coaching.

[German Athens]

If anything the goal should be retaining KPJ to add to Giannis/Dame. Have we learned nothing from how much this team sucks in the half-court with just one dude that can create off the dribble? It was a problem even when we had good coaching.

Yeah, I’m fine moving Dame, but it can’t be for Herb and parts unless you’re getting draft compensation which will lead to bringing in another one of those dudes.

Half-court creation/shot making is what the team needs, and as much as I’m loving what we’re getting from KPJ, we

1) don’t know if he’ll be able to keep his head straight here long term
2) we don’t know if his shooting will completely dry up in the playoffs

Rollins, KPJ, KD, Giannis, Someone, though.

[soxperry]

Yeah, im with you if you find part of the Dame experience annoying. But one cannot forget just how damn good he is and how valuable his style of play is in the playoffs.

If everyone but Dame can defend, thats fine. Its one reason we dealt Khris.

[Bernman]

It'd be counter-productive not to bring Brook back as a 3rd big on a vet minimum, if he accepts to ride out into the sunset w/ his family here. He's still winning us a lot of games w/ post play, spacing, box outs, & interior defense. Just because he's dysfunctional in a # of match-ups doesn't mean he should be discarded completely. We've been better w/ him on the court overall. May be better too if we didn't ride him into the ground.

[mlloyd10]

Assuming Dame comes back, when we go to a 8 man playoff rotation, from what we saw yesterday, is it just the final 5 we finished the game with plus Dame, Brook, Kuz?

Giannis/Bobby/Brook/Kuz cover 4-5
Dame/KPJ/Trent/Green cover 1-3

[mlloyd10]

It'd be counter-productive not to bring Brook back as a 3rd big on a vet minimum, if he accepts to ride out into the sunset w/ his family here. He's still winning us a lot of games w/ post play, spacing, box outs, & interior defense. Just because he's dysfunctional in a # of match-ups doesn't mean he should be discarded completely. We've been better w/ him on the court overall. May be better too if we didn't ride him into the ground.

Doesn't Brook live in Orlando?

I can see him finishing his career there as a back up to Banchero and Wagner

[Bernman]

Assuming Dame comes back, when we go to a 8 man playoff rotation, from what we saw yesterday, is it just the final 5 we finished the game with plus Dame, Brook, Kuz?

I still think Rollins will be part of the equation. He fits best next to Dame in theory. Green has in regular season practice. But I think there are more expected match-ups he'd have greater trouble w/, like Haliburton, who we'll play in the 1st rd, so he may need to be switched out at times.

I'm skeptical KPJ-Dame-Giannis works over time, because that's a too many cooks in the kitchen situation. I think it sorts itself out, because it's very unlikely Dame returns, so Giannis-KPJ can play together, & KPJ handle Haliburton, etc.; while Green guards Nesmith, switches.

Prince is going to play too. So I think it'll ostensibly be 10, but series-by-series it'll be pared down to 7-8, based on hot hand & match-ups.

[Bucksmaniac]

It'd be counter-productive not to bring Brook back as a 3rd big on a vet minimum, if he accepts to ride out into the sunset w/ his family here. He's still winning us a lot of games w/ post play, spacing, box outs, & interior defense. Just because he's dysfunctional in a # of match-ups doesn't mean he should be discarded completely. We've been better w/ him on the court overall. May be better too if we didn't ride him into the ground.

Doesn't Brook live in Orlando?

I can see him finishing his career there as a back up to Banchero and Wagner

He’s loved his time here by all accounts, he might be as Milwaukee as Bobby. He doesn’t necessarily like the limelight of the big city and his mom is from here, his oldest brother appears to live/watch a lot of his games in person.

[BUCKnation]

So, mainly prior to Pat Bev, this team really sucked without Dame, but without Giannis performed well enough to get some wins, mainly due to a more 'like for like' backup with Bobby being able to carry much of Giannis's scoring load (avg ~20/10 with no Giannis).

I had mentioned this when Dame had gone down that I wanted to see how we'd do with Rollins/KPJ do in replacing his production. I think for the most part this has been better than we thought with Rollins playing extremely well for a stretch then KPJ taking over now.

[msiris]

Do we dare move on from Dame? I would be fine with it.

[DingleJerry]

Do we dare move on from Dame? I would be fine with it.

Absolutely have to look at it just purely due to age. If you can recoup your value from him, getting some kind of lesser 'star' who's younger while getting some picks or value in return. I certainly 'get it' if they explore and decide the offers aren't good enough and decide to run it back and hope to get lucky next year. But, you have to try and reset around Giannis with younger players and assets of some kind to try for a new core around him for one more go in his last 3-4 years of being elite. It seems near impossible to somehow build a team good enough around Giannis is in the next few years, but you have to try

[German Athens]

I think keeping Dame is the easiest path forward.

Our main two issues are a lack of a 3rd option and Doc.

Dame isn’t what many of us hoped he was, but he’s still not the problem. We were hoping for a top 10 player, and we got maybe a top 20 player. That’s basically prime Khris.

We can win with that, but we’re down a Jrue holiday or even an Eric Bledsoe.

Further down the pecking order is Brook is slowly declining from his 2019-2021 self, but a replacement is not an insurmountable challenge.

If you do move Dame it would likely be for younger guys who aren’t there yet, but have some untapped potential.

[msiris]

I think keeping Dame is the easiest path forward.

Our main two issues are a lack of a 3rd option and Doc.

Dame isn’t what many of us hoped he was, but he’s still not the problem. We were hoping for a top 10 player, and we got maybe a top 20 player. That’s basically prime Khris.

We can win with that, but we’re down a Jrue holiday or even an Eric Bledsoe.

Further down the pecking order is Brook is slowly declining from his 2019-2021 self, but a replacement is not an insurmountable challenge.

If you do move Dame it would likely be for younger guys who aren’t there yet, but have some untapped potential.

Have had Dame almost two years and it seems like we are still waiting to see if that Giannis Dame combination will work. I guess I am tired of waiting.

[Bernman]

Is Dame going to the fountain of youth & the NBA allowing contract re-structuring? If not he's going to be our 2nd-3rd best player on supermax and will be 36 right after the playoffs. Thus he'll be more valuable to a # of other teams & it's best to get out of his biz before it's too late.

[jakecronus8]

KPJ is 21 pts/7.2 reb/6.5 ast/2.1 stl on 50/42/90 per 36 since the trade. If you can get value for Dame you almost have to take that chance that you've unlocked something there. Trade Dame for some more youth and athleticism and you may have opened a second window. I wonder if Miami would do a Ware/pick package for Dame.