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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

There’s just no minutes for Kuz at the four. GA/Turner/Bobby will eat almost all the minutes at the 4/5 alone. Any scraps of minutes remaining go to Sims.

Any minutes Kuz gets will be at the 3 and will be taken from AJG/GTJ/Rollins. Even when he looked horrible and the season was on the line, Doc still found a way to play him 17 minutes…

Kuzma played just 13 of the 53 minutes of that OT game

My bad. Still means in the absolute worst case scenario he’s getting 13 minutes per game (we can ignore OT as he wasn’t used in it).

They likely lost that game because of how unplayable Kuz/Prince/Brook were. Having two of those guys back and likely headed for double digit minutes at minimum each at SF is a massive issue.

What’s your honest opinion of the fewest minutes Kuz and Prince will average per game if the roster stays as is and Doc is still the coach?

if kuz and/or prince combine for 13 minutes a game at the SF position then i would support that. there will be times when we might want to go bigger against certain teams and lineups. Defintely we will want to in games where were losing too many boards. Thats going to happen with this team now. Id say better overall team defense but at the cost of giving up some rebounds

Kuz or Prince at the SF is not the end of the world. it just isnt. The two of them at the 2 and the 3 with brook at the 5? .....well now something like that just isnt ever going to happen again

[ShootingtheJ]

My bad. Still means in the absolute worst case scenario he’s getting 13 minutes per game (we can ignore OT as he wasn’t used in it).

They likely lost that game because of how unplayable Kuz/Prince/Brook were. Having two of those guys back and likely headed for double digit minutes at minimum each at SF is a massive issue.

What’s your honest opinion of the fewest minutes Kuz and Prince will average per game if the roster stays as is and Doc is still the coach?

No need to answer because the roster isn't done.

Thanks for confirming I’m right!

How is this a Doc problem? Who is he supposed to play as the backup wing? Harris? Ajax? Hell no, but this roster isn't done.

[drone3]

With regard to Cole, he shouldn't be cutting into Rollins or Dairy's PT. The beauty of Rollins is that he can scale up defensively to guard 2's, and Dairy can hold his own against 3's. If anything, it cuts into Prince minutes.

KPJ / Cole
Green / Rollins
GTJ / Prince
Giannis / Kuz
Turner / Portis / Sims

Not ideal wing size, but that's a pretty functional rotation, IMO. A Kuz plus stuff for starting caliber wing rabbit out of Horst's ass would help, though.

Yeh this looks like the play. Rollins being versatile on D and able to play off ball gives us more options.

[BigO]

Pretty clear that was the only deal to get us out of the second apron. Really don't know what else you want the HC to do in that instance.

Not really sure what you’re getting at here? Horst making a trade to get us under the 2nd apron does not mean Doc is obligated to start him + another bad player both out of position and actively sabotage us with those lineups. He could’ve easily used Kuzma more sparingly in a backup PF role.

Coaches who don't play the GMs guys get canned.

Not buying this statement.

Doc is Horst's guy. Horst probably doesn't have the authority to can him, but there's no doubt in my mind that the acquisition of Kuzma and Anthony (Docs teammate's son) was pushed by Doc. Doc is running the show, along with Horst, and I see no chasm between them.

Playing Kuzma was Doc's choice and playing Anthony will be the his choice.

[ShootingtheJ]

Not really sure what you’re getting at here? Horst making a trade to get us under the 2nd apron does not mean Doc is obligated to start him + another bad player both out of position and actively sabotage us with those lineups. He could’ve easily used Kuzma more sparingly in a backup PF role.

Coaches who don't play the GMs guys get canned.

Not buying this statement.

Doc is Horst's guy. Horst probably doesn't have the authority to can him, but there's no doubt in my mind that the acquisition of Kuzma and Anthony (Docs teammate's son) was pushed by Doc. Doc is running the show, along with Horst, and I see no chasm between them.

Playing Kuzma was Doc's choice and playing Anthony will be the his choice.

Your sure? As sure as you we when you told me adamantly that Brook Lopez was signing with the Lakers?

[BigO]

The faith that Doc suddenly understands modern basketball is baffling.

They were outside of the top ten in 3PA/100 last year with that roster they had.

He is going to run Giannis into the ground to grind out 50 wins.

They won't have a higher ceiling in the playoffs because Doc doesn't understand the difference.

35 games starting Kuzma and Prince and he thought that would win in the playoffs and a bunch of you think 3 playoff games taught him to know better.

Doc is the biggest impediment to the team winning a title this year.

I agree with everything above, except I don't think this is a championship roster, even if Doc suddenly became a good coach.

Too many question marks at guard. We're assuming Rollins and KPJ will have great years and that is a possibility, but not probable.

And we still need a switchable wing (3 and D). The signing of Anthony tells me that defense isn't a priority and that Doc is more interested in helping a friend out than acquiring championship talent.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Not really sure what you’re getting at here? Horst making a trade to get us under the 2nd apron does not mean Doc is obligated to start him + another bad player both out of position and actively sabotage us with those lineups. He could’ve easily used Kuzma more sparingly in a backup PF role.

Coaches who don't play the GMs guys get canned.

Not buying this statement.

Doc is Horst's guy. Horst probably doesn't have the authority to can him, but there's no doubt in my mind that the acquisition of Kuzma and Anthony (Docs teammate's son) was pushed by Doc. Doc is running the show, along with Horst, and I see no chasm between them.

Playing Kuzma was Doc's choice and playing Anthony will be the his choice.

how can you be sure that anthony was signed because of doc? literally 90% of this board supports this move. what if.... i know this is crazy.... but what if.... its just a good move that doc supports BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD MOVE...... omfg

also.... prince and kuzma are switchable sf/pf's. we already have that. the last thing we need is another one. maybe an upgrade there but not another one

[BigO]

Coaches who don't play the GMs guys get canned.

Not buying this statement.

Doc is Horst's guy. Horst probably doesn't have the authority to can him, but there's no doubt in my mind that the acquisition of Kuzma and Anthony (Docs teammate's son) was pushed by Doc. Doc is running the show, along with Horst, and I see no chasm between them.

Playing Kuzma was Doc's choice and playing Anthony will be the his choice.

how can you be sure that anthony was signed because of doc? literally 90% of this board supports this move. what if.... i know this is crazy.... but what if.... its just a good move that doc supports BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD MOVE...... omfg

also.... prince and kuzma are switchable sf/pf's. we already have that. the last thing we need is another one. maybe an upgrade there but not another one

Prince and Kuzma aren't good defenders. If they are on the court, we have a losing team.

You can never have enough switchable defenders.

Anthony isnt very good. I've given the specifics of why- too short, can't attack the basket (per Orlando fan), low efficiency, bad three pointer, not good defender. He's tough and a good free throw shooter.

I want more complete players-Green, Trent, KPJ, and Rollins.

[CharityStripe34]

Cole Anthony is fine as a minimum pickup to soak up some regular season minutes. I'm personally not terribly excited, though not discouraged.

[raferfenix]

The Bucks clearly committed to flipping the script on being so old and unathletic.

What we do or don’t do with Kuzma now matters especially in that regard.

I get the theory of Kuz as a versatile forward with size who can run and jump. If he were on a tight leash to inject energy and get pulled when he is too spazzy I can see it if I squint as well (caveat the Khris deal was still about the flexibility that got us Turner).

This is also where I could see Kuminga being a sneaky Horst target (for better or worse) as a much younger upgrade with all sorts of potential.

But at a baseline it’s where idk if I see us trading Kuz for someone like DeRozan who’d be a more natural SF but would slow us down.

[raferfenix]

And we still need a switchable wing (3 and D).

Or is the idea that Turner makes it easier to start GTJ?

Doc did ultimately recognize the value of the KPJ/Green/GTJ/Giannis/Bobby lineup.

Took egregiously too long but the team’s extremely high valuation of Myles + our other moves this offseason make that much more sense in this context.

[msiris]

With regard to Cole, he shouldn't be cutting into Rollins or Dairy's PT. The beauty of Rollins is that he can scale up defensively to guard 2's, and Dairy can hold his own against 3's. If anything, it cuts into Prince minutes.

KPJ / Cole
Green / Rollins
GTJ / Prince
Giannis / Kuz
Turner / Portis / Sims

Not ideal wing size, but that's a pretty functional rotation, IMO. A Kuz plus stuff for starting caliber wing rabbit out of Horst's ass would help, though.

GTJ is not a 3

[DanoMac]

With regard to Cole, he shouldn't be cutting into Rollins or Dairy's PT. The beauty of Rollins is that he can scale up defensively to guard 2's, and Dairy can hold his own against 3's. If anything, it cuts into Prince minutes.

KPJ / Cole
Green / Rollins
GTJ / Prince
Giannis / Kuz
Turner / Portis / Sims

Not ideal wing size, but that's a pretty functional rotation, IMO. A Kuz plus stuff for starting caliber wing rabbit out of Horst's ass would help, though.

GTJ is not a 3

Neither is Aaron Nesmith but Indiana made it work with a bigger frontcourt. Don't see how KPJ/Green/GTJ is any different.

[ShootingtheJ]

With regard to Cole, he shouldn't be cutting into Rollins or Dairy's PT. The beauty of Rollins is that he can scale up defensively to guard 2's, and Dairy can hold his own against 3's. If anything, it cuts into Prince minutes.

KPJ / Cole
Green / Rollins
GTJ / Prince
Giannis / Kuz
Turner / Portis / Sims

Not ideal wing size, but that's a pretty functional rotation, IMO. A Kuz plus stuff for starting caliber wing rabbit out of Horst's ass would help, though.

GTJ is not a 3

Maybe not, but our lineup post all star break with GTJ at the 3 was awesomely productive. There's almost no difference between the 2 and 3 in today's game.

[ShootingtheJ]

The faith that Doc suddenly understands modern basketball is baffling.

They were outside of the top ten in 3PA/100 last year with that roster they had.

He is going to run Giannis into the ground to grind out 50 wins.

They won't have a higher ceiling in the playoffs because Doc doesn't understand the difference.

35 games starting Kuzma and Prince and he thought that would win in the playoffs and a bunch of you think 3 playoff games taught him to know better.

Doc is the biggest impediment to the team winning a title this year.

I agree with everything above, except I don't think this is a championship roster, even if Doc suddenly became a good coach.

Too many question marks at guard. We're assuming Rollins and KPJ will have great years and that is a possibility, but not probable.

And we still need a switchable wing (3 and D). The signing of Anthony tells me that defense isn't a priority and that Doc is more interested in helping a friend out than acquiring championship talent.

Please share who this phenomenal, well rounded PG who was available for the minimum to be 3rd string is? How did the whole league miss this guy?

[Ron Swanson]

Bucks projected rotation players by D-EPM:

Gary Harris (+1.7, 96th percentile)
Giannis (+1.2, 88th percentile)
Andre Jackson (+0.6, 76th percentile)
Bobby (+0.5, 74th percentile)
Kevin Porter (+0.5, 73rd percentile)
Ryan Rollins (+0.3, 68th percentile)
AJ Green (+0.2, 66th percentile)
Myles Turner (+0.2, 63rd percentile)
Cole Anthony (+0.1, 59th percentile)
Jericho Sims (0.0, 55th percentile)
Gary Trent (-0.4, 40th percentile)
Kuzma (-0.6, 34th percentile)
Taurean Prince: (-0.7, 27th percentile)

It's an imperfect metric that probably overrates certain guys (Bobby, Harris) and underrates others (Turner, Trent), but I can't wait for the Doc excuses for when we're not a Top-6ish defense this season, because we absolutely should be with this current roster construction. No more Taurean Prince scapegoating allowed.

[fan230]

Doc apparently has a close connection with Greg Anthony. Not surprised then at the choice of Cole Anthony.

Saw an article which said that Cole and Rollins are the only two pg s with the Bucks, and it is possible that Cole is our starting pg.

I don’t like that possibility at all; strongly prefer kpj to be our starting pg.

Bu Doc is the best coach in the world.

[Brewhoopfan]

With regard to Cole, he shouldn't be cutting into Rollins or Dairy's PT. The beauty of Rollins is that he can scale up defensively to guard 2's, and Dairy can hold his own against 3's. If anything, it cuts into Prince minutes.

KPJ / Cole
Green / Rollins
GTJ / Prince
Giannis / Kuz
Turner / Portis / Sims

Not ideal wing size, but that's a pretty functional rotation, IMO. A Kuz plus stuff for starting caliber wing rabbit out of Horst's ass would help, though.

GTJ is not a 3

Neither is Aaron Nesmith but Indiana made it work with a bigger frontcourt. Don't see how KPJ/Green/GTJ is any different.

Nesmith is a much better athlete/rebounder/defender than GTJ. Not a good comparison. That doesn't mean that GTJ can't work at the 3. You just have to hope his offense can offset the weaknesses.

[slos]

I like this roster if this is what Bucks have built..

Porter (30)/Rollins (18)
Green (30)/Anthony (18)
Trent (30)/Kuzma (18)
Giannis (36)/Kuzma (6)/Portis (6)
Turner (30)/Portis (18)

I’m not sure though this us what Bucks have built..

[Brewhoopfan]

Doc apparently has a close connection with Greg Anthony. Not surprised then at the choice of Cole Anthony.

Saw an article which said that Cole and Rollins are the only two pg s with the Bucks, and it is possible that Cole is our starting pg.

I don’t like that possibility at all; strongly prefer kpj to be our starting pg.

Bu Doc is the best coach in the world.

No way Anthony is coming to Milwaukee unless he's been promised minutes. Rollins fans should be prepared to be disappointed.