KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired - Vin Baker Hired

[Chapter29]

All coaches and players have frustration. This is much ado about nothing.

Sure, but the bit about Jabari dealing with him when their "paths crossed" was hillarious. He perhaps limited the weight of his denial using that terminology.

Yep, I thought that was an odd way of wording it. Made me think there is some underlying issues.

[Chapter29]

I forgot to mention what I thought was the funniest thing

Giannis, in an effort to save his coach's job, offers to call his agent, the owners, his mom, whatever. The only person it didn't cross his mind to call was the actual responsible person

"What? The fat kid? Why the **** would I call that guy for??"

I think everyone is missing the obvious... Giannis called Kidd not because he likes him, but because he thinks it’s his fault. That’s the “devastated” part.

The Bucks reddit has a thing from Bill Michaels show about a fight at practice and a player getting thrown out of the building. It was obviously Giannis. Why else would Horst run immediately to the owners? Kidd’s ‘tell the truth’ line in the story is probably a shot at Giannis through the media because he knows Giannis thinks it’s his fault and Kidd is a piece of ****.

Also.... Kidd has been trying to trade Jabari for absolutely anything for over a year now. Absolutely hates him. The owners and GM don’t want to. Kidd is being a real **** about it, and that’s why he and Jabari don’t talk.

How do you know this? Assumption?

[truly]

I forgot to mention what I thought was the funniest thing

Giannis, in an effort to save his coach's job, offers to call his agent, the owners, his mom, whatever. The only person it didn't cross his mind to call was the actual responsible person

"What? The fat kid? Why the **** would I call that guy for??"

I think everyone is missing the obvious... Giannis called Kidd not because he likes him, but because he thinks it’s his fault. That’s the “devastated” part.

The Bucks reddit has a thing from Bill Michaels show about a fight at practice and a player getting thrown out of the building. It was obviously Giannis. Why else would Horst run immediately to the owners? Kidd’s ‘tell the truth’ line in the story is probably a shot at Giannis through the media because he knows Giannis thinks it’s his fault and Kidd is a piece of ****.

Also.... Kidd has been trying to trade Jabari for absolutely anything for over a year now. Absolutely hates him. The owners and GM don’t want to. Kidd is being a real **** about it, and that’s why he and Jabari don’t talk.

How do you know this? Assumption?

From that post on reddit my understanding is that someone had a fight with Kidd in practice and Horst threw him(Kidd) out of the building.If Giannis feels responsible it could be him Kidd had the fight with.

If this is true i will have to apologize to Horst.This guy has balls

[snoogans8056]

I think everyone is missing the obvious... Giannis called Kidd not because he likes him, but because he thinks it’s his fault. That’s the “devastated” part.

The Bucks reddit has a thing from Bill Michaels show about a fight at practice and a player getting thrown out of the building. It was obviously Giannis. Why else would Horst run immediately to the owners? Kidd’s ‘tell the truth’ line in the story is probably a shot at Giannis through the media because he knows Giannis thinks it’s his fault and Kidd is a piece of ****.

Also.... Kidd has been trying to trade Jabari for absolutely anything for over a year now. Absolutely hates him. The owners and GM don’t want to. Kidd is being a real **** about it, and that’s why he and Jabari don’t talk.

How do you know this? Assumption?

From that post on reddit my understanding is that someone had a fight with Kidd in practice and Horst threw him(Kidd) out of the building.If Giannis feels responsible it could be him Kidd had the fight with.

If this is true i will have to apologize to Horst.This guy has balls

Speculation. Piecing together what we know. The Jabari stuff is pretty well known.

I took the Bill Michaels story as Kidd threw Giannis out of the building.

It all syncs up pretty perfectly though. Giannis missing two games, Kidd being an ass, Giannis reacting like he did with Sweeney, Kidd tossing him, Horst getting the owners to reluctantly admit Kidd needs to go now.

[Pachinko_]

I forgot to mention what I thought was the funniest thing

Giannis, in an effort to save his coach's job, offers to call his agent, the owners, his mom, whatever. The only person it didn't cross his mind to call was the actual responsible person

"What? The fat kid? Why the **** would I call that guy for??"

I think everyone is missing the obvious... Giannis called Kidd not because he likes him, but because he thinks it’s his fault. That’s the “devastated” part.

The Bucks reddit has a thing from Bill Michaels show about a fight at practice and a player getting thrown out of the building. It was obviously Giannis. Why else would Horst run immediately to the owners? Kidd’s ‘tell the truth’ line in the story is probably a shot at Giannis through the media because he knows Giannis thinks it’s his fault and Kidd is a piece of ****.

Also.... Kidd has been trying to trade Jabari for absolutely anything for over a year now. Absolutely hates him. The owners and GM don’t want to. Kidd is being a real **** about it, and that’s why he and Jabari don’t talk.

this is some pretty good info and about the first news that makes perfectly good sense from everything else weve heard

Yeah all news to me. Sounds plausible though.

[truly]

From this i get that Kidd was thrown out by Horst.Not Giannis by Kidd.If anyone is interested to read this just google bucks reddit.


And then there’s shootaround yesterday. There’s some – we’ll just say words exchanged – somebody MF’s somebody – and the next thing you know they said, “You know what? You’re gone. Get out. Don’t even come back to the building. Get out.” And from what I understand Jon Horst pulled the trigger. He pulled the trigger and then went to management and said "I’m done with him."And so management – because remember that’s their guy – but management can see what’s happening. So they in somewhat of a “We agree with this, maybe not the timing” – so it wasn’t a wholeheartedly “Oh my god yes, this is the best move” – but they begrudgingly say “You know what? You’re probably right.”

So then Jason Kidd is not brought back to the building. He’s taken out. “Hey let’s get a bite to eat real quick, we’ve gotta talk to you.”

[truly]

There is also this tweet by the same guy.

Read on Twitter

[JustinCredible]

From this i get that Kidd was thrown out by Horst.Not Giannis by Kidd.If anyone is interested to read this just google bucks reddit.


And then there’s shootaround yesterday. There’s some – we’ll just say words exchanged – somebody MF’s somebody – and the next thing you know they said, “You know what? You’re gone. Get out. Don’t even come back to the building. Get out.” And from what I understand Jon Horst pulled the trigger. He pulled the trigger and then went to management and said "I’m done with him."And so management – because remember that’s their guy – but management can see what’s happening. So they in somewhat of a “We agree with this, maybe not the timing” – so it wasn’t a wholeheartedly “Oh my god yes, this is the best move” – but they begrudgingly say “You know what? You’re probably right.”

So then Jason Kidd is not brought back to the building. He’s taken out. “Hey let’s get a bite to eat real quick, we’ve gotta talk to you.”

Mad props to Horst. Hammond wouldn’t have been able to do it.

[TroyD92]

Basically since the first round of the draft I’ve agreed or at least understood the logic behind basically every Horst move. Now this ? This guy is starting to look pretty **** legit to me

[JustinCredible]

This was also from that Reddit post:

“So when it gets down to the point where he throws his hands in the air publically and says “Look I already told them there’s nothing more I can do.” And management sees it and then he feels comfortable enough to MF a few people because he still thinks he’s Jason Kidd. And they say finally, no, this is done. So they take him out of the building. He goes and sits down to break some bread and then they tell him “Hey you’re out of a job.” So that’s how it all went down. So I was wondering why they didn’t can him on Sunday and now I get some of the details that are starting to be given to me. Made a few calls, talked to a few people and that’s kinda the way I understand it to go down.

Some more extra info:

Confirms reports that Jabari and Kidd weren't speaking. Had a non-existent relationship. The blowup at shootaround was between numerous people. "Kidd was involved, players were involved, other people were involved." It was all over and done with in about 20 minutes. There was a sizable group of players in the locker room that no longer respected Kidd and didn't think he had their back. There was a smaller group of 3-4 guys that were still loyal Kidd fans. Ownership knew this was inevitable, but didn't agree on whether to do it now or at the end of the season. Noted that Wes Edens was the only owner present at the Bradley Center yesterday and was also the owner who most vocally backed Horst for the GM job over the summer“

[Matches Malone]

Horstgod

[truly]

This was also from that Reddit post:

“So when it gets down to the point where he throws his hands in the air publically and says “Look I already told them there’s nothing more I can do.” And management sees it and then he feels comfortable enough to MF a few people because he still thinks he’s Jason Kidd. And they say finally, no, this is done. So they take him out of the building. He goes and sits down to break some bread and then they tell him “Hey you’re out of a job.” So that’s how it all went down. So I was wondering why they didn’t can him on Sunday and now I get some of the details that are starting to be given to me. Made a few calls, talked to a few people and that’s kinda the way I understand it to go down.

Some more extra info:

Confirms reports that Jabari and Kidd weren't speaking. Had a non-existent relationship. The blowup at shootaround was between numerous people. "Kidd was involved, players were involved, other people were involved." It was all over and done with in about 20 minutes. There was a sizable group of players in the locker room that no longer respected Kidd and didn't think he had their back. There was a smaller group of 3-4 guys that were still loyal Kidd fans. Ownership knew this was inevitable, but didn't agree on whether to do it now or at the end of the season. Noted that Wes Edens was the only owner present at the Bradley Center yesterday and was also the owner who most vocally backed Horst for the GM job over the summer“

The Jabari stuff seems legit.I can easily see Kidd pushing for a jabari trade in order to bring in some veteran.That would cause their relationship to turn bad real quick imo.

I wonder which player was in which camp if this is true.The comments on reddit say middleton was anti-Kidd but i find that hard to believe.I always felt that no matter what he did Kidd never called him out on it.He pretty much had free reign on the team.

If i had to guess who was pro-Kidd i would go with Giannis,Midds and terry.

[TroyD92]

This was also from that Reddit post:

“So when it gets down to the point where he throws his hands in the air publically and says “Look I already told them there’s nothing more I can do.” And management sees it and then he feels comfortable enough to MF a few people because he still thinks he’s Jason Kidd. And they say finally, no, this is done. So they take him out of the building. He goes and sits down to break some bread and then they tell him “Hey you’re out of a job.” So that’s how it all went down. So I was wondering why they didn’t can him on Sunday and now I get some of the details that are starting to be given to me. Made a few calls, talked to a few people and that’s kinda the way I understand it to go down.

Some more extra info:

Confirms reports that Jabari and Kidd weren't speaking. Had a non-existent relationship. The blowup at shootaround was between numerous people. "Kidd was involved, players were involved, other people were involved." It was all over and done with in about 20 minutes. There was a sizable group of players in the locker room that no longer respected Kidd and didn't think he had their back. There was a smaller group of 3-4 guys that were still loyal Kidd fans. Ownership knew this was inevitable, but didn't agree on whether to do it now or at the end of the season. Noted that Wes Edens was the only owner present at the Bradley Center yesterday and was also the owner who most vocally backed Horst for the GM job over the summer“

The Jabari stuff seems legit.I can easily see Kidd pushing for a jabari trade in order to bring in some veteran.That would cause their relationship to turn bad real quick imo.

I wonder which player was in which camp if this is true.The comments on reddit say middleton was anti-Kidd but i find that hard to believe.I always felt that no matter what he did Kidd never called him out on it.He pretty much had free reign on the team.

If i had to guess who was pro-Kidd i would go with Giannis,Midds and terry.

I think you can see it in Middletons body language for the last year and half that he really didn't like Kidd.

[TroyD92]

I love Giannis,but let's be honest he really doesn't know any better. His only two coaches have been Larry Drew for his rookie year and Jason Kidd. The poor guy has never been properly coached since he's been in the NBA.

Telly and Delly being pro Kidd also makes sense because he got both of those bums payed. Terry he gave a job when he shouldn't even be in the NBA anymore.

[chonestown]

I'm not "disgusted" by the comments. I don't think they're especially relevant in this case, as I don't think even Stephen A was implying that the firing was racially motivated. It wasn't, obviously. Rather, he was drawing attention to the broader reality that, with his firing, there are only a handful of Black coaches in a sport which is 70% Black. Off the top of my head, I can only name 4 - Casey, Rivers, Gentry, and Lue. Three of those coaches are on the hot seat.

Hey man, #firekidd all day, but the three coaches who have been canned this year have been Fizdale, Earl Watson and Kidd. Troubling optics, as the punditry may opine.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

I think it as mostly Brogdon who hated Kidd. Brogdon, Rashad, clearly Moose didn't like him, maybe even Bledsoe.

[PedroGrande]

This was also from that Reddit post:

“So when it gets down to the point where he throws his hands in the air publically and says “Look I already told them there’s nothing more I can do.” And management sees it and then he feels comfortable enough to MF a few people because he still thinks he’s Jason Kidd. And they say finally, no, this is done. So they take him out of the building. He goes and sits down to break some bread and then they tell him “Hey you’re out of a job.” So that’s how it all went down. So I was wondering why they didn’t can him on Sunday and now I get some of the details that are starting to be given to me. Made a few calls, talked to a few people and that’s kinda the way I understand it to go down.

Some more extra info:

Confirms reports that Jabari and Kidd weren't speaking. Had a non-existent relationship. The blowup at shootaround was between numerous people. "Kidd was involved, players were involved, other people were involved." It was all over and done with in about 20 minutes. There was a sizable group of players in the locker room that no longer respected Kidd and didn't think he had their back. There was a smaller group of 3-4 guys that were still loyal Kidd fans. Ownership knew this was inevitable, but didn't agree on whether to do it now or at the end of the season. Noted that Wes Edens was the only owner present at the Bradley Center yesterday and was also the owner who most vocally backed Horst for the GM job over the summer“

The Jabari stuff seems legit.I can easily see Kidd pushing for a jabari trade in order to bring in some veteran.That would cause their relationship to turn bad real quick imo.

I wonder which player was in which camp if this is true.The comments on reddit say middleton was anti-Kidd but i find that hard to believe.I always felt that no matter what he did Kidd never called him out on it.He pretty much had free reign on the team.

If i had to guess who was pro-Kidd i would go with Giannis,Midds and terry.

It's all speculation but kidd never calling out midds can be because they don't get along well and it's overcompensation.

[ReginaldDwight]

I think we need a Horstgod Billboard.

[TroyD92]

I think we need a Horstgod Billboard.

Straight outta Kinkos

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

I like Khris.....when he plays within himself.

the next coach needs to be a strong and respected individual and put the clamps on him. they need to sit him down and watch tape of Klay, and Reddick, and Korver...how those guys work the perimeter tirelessly go find themselves open...and tell Khris that is his job. no more ball handling and tough-shot-express garbage.