Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

If it's cope, then we've been coping for almost a decade as these stories pop up every year.

This is different because it isn't simply speculation from elsewhere. This is the first time we've seen Giannis linked with exploring a trade himself.

All shams said was he's open-minded to whether Milwaukee remains his best fit to win. I haven't seen anything linking Giannis himself exploring the trade. They're all following the Malik Andrews 2019 report and just re-mixing it.

Is it even a comparison? Him in probably five-ten locations (even after what they give up for him) is better fir to win.
SAS, OKC, Hou, are clearly places he could win multiple rings. Then second tier of Orlando, Hawks, Detroit would be clear upgrades over our roster Hell, I would put Charlotte, Philly, NOP of the world would put out a better roster than we could.

It comes down to loyalty over winning.

[Matches Malone]

If we weren't bucks fans we would love the Giannis watch. Change is fun. The nba is highly unique. Lets see what happens.

I don't mind change in the NBA, it's exciting, but this Giannis thing just feels so forced from ESPN/NBA to get him out. You don't get these rumors with Jokic or Embiid when they fail. Makes it seem like someone has a vendetta against the city of Milwaukee and feels personal.

You'd never see the NFL crap on its small markets the way the NBA does. Tired of these coastal pompus talking heads trying to get all the good NBA players in the same 3-4 markets while the small markets become g-league teams for big markets. MLB already has that covered

In the case of Embiid, I think it's more because the idea of trading for Giannis is exciting vs. trading for Embiid being kinda depressing at this point.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get there with Jokic in the next year or two if people continue to hammer their owners for cheaping out and they continue losing in the first or second round.

Yeah, Embiid in 2025 is probably not the best example, but even before this year there were ample times to bring him up in trade speculation when he was in the running for MVP's but not carrying his team to the finals, you'd think you would get a hint of rumor/speculation. They just focused on Giannis.

[Matches Malone]

This is different because it isn't simply speculation from elsewhere. This is the first time we've seen Giannis linked with exploring a trade himself.

All shams said was he's open-minded to whether Milwaukee remains his best fit to win. I haven't seen anything linking Giannis himself exploring the trade. They're all following the Malik Andrews 2019 report and just re-mixing it.

Is it even a comparison? Him in probably five-ten locations (even after what they give up for him) is better fir to win.
SAS, OKC, Hou, are clearly places he could win multiple rings. Then second tier of Orlando, Hawks, Detroit would be clear upgrades over our roster Hell, I would put Charlotte, Philly, NOP of the world would put out a better roster than we could.

It comes down to loyalty over winning.

Depends on what you think the other team has to give up to get him. Bobby Portis mentioned it the other day in his interview, the team getting him might be in the same position the Bucks are in after trading for him. Unless we're just under the assumption the Bucks won't get much back for him in a deal, which most people in the media coming up with trades for him are woefully short, so they seem to think he'll be traded for a sandwich like Luka.

[BigO]

I was the one that brought up a month ago possibly trading giannis for Flagg and no one else. It seems the consensus here is the same.

I think Windhorst,et al have few connections and embellish whatever they do have.

His analysis that a team that gets the number one pick won't trade Flagg is BS in my view. While I love the guy, it is still a huge risk for the Bucks and a no brainer for whoever gets Flagg. Getting Giannis is a sure thing.

I still think Giannias stays and I still think if they move on it's Flagg (plus assets) or bust.

I think it depends who wins the lottery right? Like the Wizards for example almost certainly would not trade Flagg, Poole, and Kispert (just spitballing what it would take salary wise) for Giannis. That team is too far away for trading for Giannis to make sense.

A team like Philly or San Antonio, those I could understand considering it more.

Disagree.

Wizards should jump at any chance to become relevant after decades of mediocrity. Giannis is a sure thing. Flagg isn't.

The question is what else do the Wizards have to offer. They have two first rounders this year and I think two next year. Not interested in Poole, but would take if I had to.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

But if Giannis asks to go to a different team, which don’t have as many picks to send back, does he have enough equity with the team and fan base that the team should honor his request?

Or no, team has to get the best return that it can, even if that burns bridges?

If it is 1-team, that is like a hold-out/hostage situation and I'm sorry Giannis, we are keeping you for two years vs trading you for pennies on the dollar.

If he says I want out and here are 3 teams, that is something we could work with an honor his request.

At the end of the day, though, AD got the Pelicans Lonzo Ball (Age 22), Brandon Ingram (Age 22), Josh Hart (Age 24) and 2019 1st (Hunter), 2022 1st (Dyson Daniels), and 2025 1st (#22). It did work out (Injuries, zion self-imploding, and some bad decisions hurt them.), but there was a time in pre-pandemic where that team had had prime Jrue, Ball, Ingraham, Hart, Zion, lots of picks and cap space. I could at least believe in that team.

[JayMKE]

These “up & coming” teams are mostly in places to no superstar player would jump ship for, not places free agents will sign. I’m not gifting Giannis so he can go win rings on other teams he would never sign with anyways. The worry is still LA and NYC imo, gtfo of here with this Oklahoma City ****

The fact any of these teams dare say anything is untouchable is insulting, bitch Giannis is untouchable. The Bucks would need multiple ELITE assets and a pathway to another top 10 player. That ain’t happening with these poo poo platter quantity over quality deals where we don’t even get a lottery pick. Our future is way better with Giannis than some of these **** ass deals I seen being proposed

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

All shams said was he's open-minded to whether Milwaukee remains his best fit to win. I haven't seen anything linking Giannis himself exploring the trade. They're all following the Malik Andrews 2019 report and just re-mixing it.

Is it even a comparison? Him in probably five-ten locations (even after what they give up for him) is better fir to win.
SAS, OKC, Hou, are clearly places he could win multiple rings. Then second tier of Orlando, Hawks, Detroit would be clear upgrades over our roster Hell, I would put Charlotte, Philly, NOP of the world would put out a better roster than we could.

It comes down to loyalty over winning.

Depends on what you think the other team has to give up to get him. Bobby Portis mentioned it the other day in his interview, the team getting him might be in the same position the Bucks are in after trading for him. Unless we're just under the assumption the Bucks won't get much back for him in a deal, which most people in the media coming up with trades for him are woefully short, so they seem to think he'll be traded for a sandwich like Luka.

How can you say with a straight SAS, OKC, and Hou would be in the same position as the Bucks with Giannis, an injured Dame, a shell of Brook, and vet min?
Take SAS for example, they could trade their first and the rights to the Hawks picks, but Castle and Johnson, etc and still have Victor, Giannis, Fox, Mamu, plus some other moves.
OKC would have SGA, Williams, Dort, Hartelstein if they trade us Chet and every draft asset they have.

Like there's a good chance our supporting cast is worse than this year without considering Dame: Lopez, Bobby, Trent and Prince are FAs and we may not be able to resign/replace.

[chonestown]

Bucks have exited in the first round in 3 consecutive postseasons.

What is the incentive to continue on this path, for either Giannis or the Bucks?

Without draft assets for several years, if he stayed the rest of the career, would the results be better?

Windhorst said teams like OKC and Brooklyn can offer the most, at least in terms of draft assets and maybe promising young players like JDub or Holmgren.

But if Giannis asks to go to a different team, which don’t have as many picks to send back, does he have enough equity with the team and fan base that the team should honor his request?

Or no, team has to get the best return that it can, even if that burns bridges?

The way I sea it is there has to be an exchange of resources or some might use the term assets. Players with skills. Shooting? Contracts: a consideration. Deibts need to equal credits. Double-jointed book-keeping. Out with the old, in with the new slash lightly used. MSRP list price subject too chains. Win whores or win horts , rich in land or poor in companionship? for me, the problem lies in the young people and not the companions. Respert to Holmgren but everybody runs a variation of the wet coast offense,could only win one supper bowl with the canon-armed good ol misappropriating public funds boy. Second verse same as the hearst. OK, see, no dice only want first pressings in VG+ or above like the black Frank Weiss said (ON WAX) give me the sloop e.g. the ship which hasn't sailed and isn't for sail neither or. Bucks sin Knicks!

[emunney]

For Washington: Flagg, 2025 Memphis 1st, 2026 Suns swap, Wizards 1sts ('26,'28,'30,'32), Wizards swaps ('27,'29','31), Coulibaly, George, AJ Johnson, Champagnie.

I don't particularly care about getting our own picks back because I'd rather not tank. Let us absorb semi-useful guys into cap space for picks and compete/develop the young guys as best we can to be supplemented over time by the Suns and Wizards picks.

[emunney]

I would almost guarantee that if we do end up trading Giannis, it will be for less than what anybody here says they'd trade him for.

[DanoMac]

I would almost guarantee that if we do end up trading Giannis, it will be for less than what anybody here says they'd trade him for.

Yeah, feels that way. This is the worst timeline

[machu46]

I would almost guarantee that if we do end up trading Giannis, it will be for less than what anybody here says they'd trade him for.

I think it'll be less than most of the people here are saying but also probably more than most of the people on the Trades board are saying.

[CharityStripe34]

These “up & coming” teams are mostly in places to no superstar player would jump ship for, not places free agents will sign. I’m not gifting Giannis so he can go win rings on other teams he would never sign with anyways. The worry is still LA and NYC imo, gtfo of here with this Oklahoma City ****

The fact any of these teams dare say anything is untouchable is insulting, bitch Giannis is untouchable. The Bucks would need multiple ELITE assets and a pathway to another top 10 player. That ain’t happening with these poo poo platter quantity over quality deals where we don’t even get a lottery pick. Our future is way better with Giannis than some of these **** ass deals I seen being proposed

The Luka trade has broken a lot of observer brains.

[jakecronus8]

I just keep reminding myself that Kevin Love was traded for a similarly hyped prospect in a class that was perceived to be as loaded as ever. Add in what guys like Gobert and Bridges were traded for and I'm not worried.

If doomsday happens, we're talking about one of the biggest trade packages in history. I suppose the only thing that gives me slight pause is we just extended the doofus that set the market for ridiculous trade returns years ago with the Jrue deal.

[Bernman]

29 other team's fans: "We badly want Giannis to contend for a championship the next 6 yrs. Now here's our trinkets"

I think it's a combo of:

1) homerism
2) the shady Mavs' trade
3) NBA media propaganda for yrs cuz they want Giannis out of Milwaukee for ratings

[Matches Malone]

Is it even a comparison? Him in probably five-ten locations (even after what they give up for him) is better fir to win.
SAS, OKC, Hou, are clearly places he could win multiple rings. Then second tier of Orlando, Hawks, Detroit would be clear upgrades over our roster Hell, I would put Charlotte, Philly, NOP of the world would put out a better roster than we could.

It comes down to loyalty over winning.

Depends on what you think the other team has to give up to get him. Bobby Portis mentioned it the other day in his interview, the team getting him might be in the same position the Bucks are in after trading for him. Unless we're just under the assumption the Bucks won't get much back for him in a deal, which most people in the media coming up with trades for him are woefully short, so they seem to think he'll be traded for a sandwich like Luka.

How can you say with a straight SAS, OKC, and Hou would be in the same position as the Bucks with Giannis, an injured Dame, a shell of Brook, and vet min?
Take SAS for example, they could trade their first and the rights to the Hawks picks, but Castle and Johnson, etc and still have Victor, Giannis, Fox, Mamu, plus some other moves.
OKC would have SGA, Williams, Dort, Hartelstein if they trade us Chet and every draft asset they have.

Like there's a good chance our supporting cast is worse than this year without considering Dame: Lopez, Bobby, Trent and Prince are FAs and we may not be able to resign/replace.

Again, you're assuming that the Bucks won't get much back for Giannis in these scenarios, so the supporting cast looks much better for Giannis on his new team because they didn't have to give much up. OKC giving us Chet and picks would be disastrous. You don't think they could pry Jalen Williams away at least? If not... what's the point? Bucks have no incentive to be bad without their picks. Why settle?

[jakecronus8]

Won't lie.

One of the reasons I've been going over the San Antonio scenario in my head for months is the morbid curiosity of just what a Giannis/Wemby/Fox looks like on the court. Like, wtf do you even do?

[PG Graveyard]

I would almost guarantee that if we do end up trading Giannis, it will be for less than what anybody here says they'd trade him for.

I think it'll be less than most of the people here are saying but also probably more than most of the people on the Trades board are saying.

There is no reason to trade him this offseason unless the package is flat out ridiculous.

[PG Graveyard]

What is the equivalent to the AD and/or Durant trade? Then the team needs to add more than that

[BigO]

Bucks have exited in the first round in 3 consecutive postseasons.

What is the incentive to continue on this path, for either Giannis or the Bucks?

Without draft assets for several years, if he stayed the rest of the career, would the results be better?

Windhorst said teams like OKC and Brooklyn can offer the most, at least in terms of draft assets and maybe promising young players like JDub or Holmgren.

But if Giannis asks to go to a different team, which don’t have as many picks to send back, does he have enough equity with the team and fan base that the team should honor his request?

Or no, team has to get the best return that it can, even if that burns bridges?

And every year it was because of injury to Giannis twice and Dame in the playoffs. None of these teams playing now are juggernauts.

The difference this year is that Dame is not only out this year but next and no other assets are available.