Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Beal for Midds discussed last year

[Xanadu]

Like I totally get the argument that Giannis needs to become a better basketball player. He could add some playmaking/shooting and that would help a ton in the playoffs. I, too, would love for him to make the jump from Top 20 all-time to Top 10 all-time.

That said, the 2 biggest things holding us back in the playoffs have been injuries and teammates shooting 11% on high-volume, wide-open 3s in close-out games. Like if we could get a casey martin type game from one of the role players no one would be talking about Giannis failing.

Nah, 'the biggest things holding us back' are excuses. That's what you're listing. It's never true and realGMers who say so can never figure out why it doesn't work. 'We WOULDA got *our* Title except injuries' is easily the whiniest, least true, most bbiq-deviant pathetic excuse for an excuse in realGM history. Why? There WERE injuries. *The Bucks* weren't a good enough to overcome that. Meaning neither was Giannis. You have zero option to project blame onto the 3pt% of the guys Giannis refuses to pass to, run a play with, involve generally, or EVEN allow point guards run point, when G operates that way. We've lost title runs over and over and over again because when Giannis operates this way it's not really a functioning winning team.
Gaslighting everyone as strenuously as possible will never, ever make the excuses true. Its a refusal to fix what's broken.

Kevin, us that you?!?

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Your posting an opinion amd not backing it with anything substantive proof backing it up Saying we lost title runs multiple times because of Giannis stubborn playstyle is just not true. Where are your numbers or at least some kind of argument based on what you see. People who seem to always bring up gaslighting always seem to be the most disconnected from reality. Giannis is far from perfect but saying the guy who is literally the only reason Mil has team is so silly. I have watched the Bucks since 2006. If you think Giannis is the reason we lose then you shouldn't be bucks fan. You can critique his games and question training decisions. But to act like he hasn't given 100 percent of himself to this team isn't just a bad take but insane. Without him we never sniff the finals much less win one. Then to remain as top competition just due his presence alone. To act like Giannis is somehow the thing holding us back. Who do replace him with that keeps as a true ship contender?

[Plossum]

I would be keen to push Giannis towards the Tim Duncan style switch to centre. With Dame and Khris he doesn’t need to do everything. Can crush it on D and transition and let Dame and Khris cook in the half court.

[-Jragon-]

If Dame brings up the ball.. at least 2 guys have to be watching him, plus he's a legit threat anywhere inside the logo. Impossible for teams to wall Giannis off ball and any back cut or roll he makes he'll be 1v1 with some motion towards the basket. We need a coach strong enough to keep the ball in Dame's hand when the defense is back.

[Matches Malone]

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[raferfenix]

Bleacher Report’s Greg Swartz imagined the top 3 potential trade targets for each team.

Jordan Clarkson, Kris Dunn and Keon Ellis were listed for the Bucks.

Keon Ellis is the only one I could really see us pushing for.

Yeah yeah it’s just Bleacher Report speculation but wouldn’t it be great if one of our young guys and a future first could nab him! Behind The Bucks pass did a deeper dive on those targets and suggested just a 2031 swap and MarJon could get it done.

Other end of the spectrum would be us offering 2031 unprotected + AJ Green for Keon.

https://behindthebuckpass.com/posts/trade-proposal-bleacher-reports-targets-milwaukee-bucks

[Daver]

If Dame brings up the ball.. at least 2 guys have to be watching him, plus he's a legit threat anywhere inside the logo. Impossible for teams to wall Giannis off ball and any back cut or roll he makes he'll be 1v1 with some motion towards the basket. We need a coach strong enough to keep the ball in Dame's hand when the defense is back.

Well ftr doc has mentioned that several times this off season that gisnnis n midds both brought the ball up court to much n thst dame should be the ignitor with the ball every time up the floor.So hopefully that plays out if it does that by itself will make giannis even more unstoppable n dame more dangerous

[Packbuckman]

Giannis's offensive play wouldn't even crack the top 5 reasons this team is in trouble.

But his lack of team play, low bbiq, and hero-ball refusal to activate all Bucks on-the-floor, all the stuff that matters lands Giannis squarely at #1 in your top 5 reasons. No one cares what his numbers are when the higher they go, the less likely the *team* will be able to offset the steeper b/c-of-said-heroball climb to another Title. Did you not see Jeff Teague LAUGHING at the idea of Giannis playing point, or functioning as a player aka with a point guard within a system? Unless G heroballs at all the other stuff, the numbers don't matter: after all, as soon as G's numbers drops and , then somehow the issue is somebody else's offensive production. Or they somehow weren't doing enough on defense to make up for G's refusal to defend wtf.

Who tf cares what Teague dumbass says Giannis on the fast break is the biggest mismatch in the league.
Now dame needs to bring the ball up most of the time but I sure am not taking it totally out of Giannis hands does he need to be a little smarter yes but he sure don’t barrel into players for offensive fouls as much as he use to. Giannis bbiq being low is laughable injuries is what has hurt this team hiring griffin as a head coach and dame coming here last year out of shape going through a divorce. I bet you this team is right up there as one of the best teams this year just need to stay healthy

[Bernman]

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AJ lookin' THIIIICK (for him)! He's gotten over to Kopp's w/ Giannis.

He's the 1st Bucks' prospect I can see watching a G-League game for. The few good enough totally bypassed that route.

[Packbuckman]

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AJ lookin' THIIIICK (for him)! He's gotten over to Kopp's w/ Giannis.

He's the 1st Bucks' prospect I can see watching a G-League game for. The few good enough totally bypassed that route.

I would play him like they did Giannis as a rookie

[Bernman]

I would play him like they did Giannis as a rookie

Giannis played in half the team's minutes cuz he was the best rookie in the league before hitting the wall & the season was doomed from the start. We're contenders & AJ's highly unlikely to be the best rookie for any period. So expect a fraction of the role.

That said, if he's the next star & shows much of it now, he'll play. Doc's aversion to youth is exaggerated. He used 2 SGA & Maxey a significant amount as rooks on winning teams. And it indicated Doc can develop pg's. Good situation for AJ.

[nagawicka]

Giannis's offensive play wouldn't even crack the top 5 reasons this team is in trouble.

But his lack of team play, low bbiq, and hero-ball refusal to activate all Bucks on-the-floor, all the stuff that matters lands Giannis squarely at #1 in your top 5 reasons. No one cares what his numbers are when the higher they go, the less likely the *team* will be able to offset the steeper b/c-of-said-heroball climb to another Title. Did you not see Jeff Teague LAUGHING at the idea of Giannis playing point, or functioning as a player aka with a point guard within a system? Unless G heroballs at all the other stuff, the numbers don't matter: after all, as soon as G's numbers drops and , then somehow the issue is somebody else's offensive production. Or they somehow weren't doing enough on defense to make up for G's refusal to defend wtf.

Who tf cares what Teague dumbass says Giannis on the fast break is the biggest mismatch in the league.

Nothing about Giannis on the fast break contradicts what Teague said, I usedta hate the guy as useless, but I was wrong. Nothing about Giannis on the fast break means we don't need a real and functional point guard cause Giannis aint it.

[nagawicka]

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Chuck is fun to listen to.

Thats about it

He's right. Everyone knows it.

[nagawicka]

Nah, 'the biggest things holding us back' are excuses. That's what you're listing. It's never true and realGMers who say so can never figure out why it doesn't work. 'We WOULDA got *our* Title except injuries' is easily the whiniest, least true, most bbiq-deviant pathetic excuse for an excuse in realGM history. Why? There WERE injuries. *The Bucks* weren't a good enough to overcome that. Meaning neither was Giannis. You have zero option to project blame onto the 3pt% of the guys Giannis refuses to pass to, run a play with, involve generally, or EVEN allow point guards run point, when G operates that way. We've lost title runs over and over and over again because when Giannis operates this way it's not really a functioning winning team.
Gaslighting everyone as strenuously as possible will never, ever make the excuses true. Its a refusal to fix what's broken.

Kevin, us that you?!?

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Your posting an opinion amd not backing it with anything substantive proof backing it up Saying we lost title runs multiple times because of Giannis stubborn playstyle is just not true. Where are your numbers or at least some kind of argument based on what you see. People who seem to always bring up gaslighting always seem to be the most disconnected from reality. Giannis is far from perfect but saying the guy who is literally the only reason Mil has team is so silly. I have watched the Bucks since 2006.

I've watched the Bucks since 1970. Come up with substantive support for your attack or hold your tongue. What is it about basketball that you do not understand? but Charles Barclay gets? You've got two options: a) Giannis scores 75ppg and the Bucks never win another title; or b) Giannis plays a team game, involves all 4 Bucks on the floor opponents (SO THAT he 1) reduces physical wear-&-tear & is fresh for the Finals, 2) opponents don't know where or who the Offense is coming from, & no longer can game ONLY for Giannis (free up his offense even more))--and 3) WE WIN MORE TITLES. Numbers don't mean sh|t when refusal to involve all 5 guys costs you title after title. It's Basketball 101, and no one here can tell you they don't know what that looks like. Crashing into 4 opponents, passing to empty bleachers, losing your handles/TOs, clanking free throws. You can't put 3pt% on guys that haveta corral those 'passes'. Every player's human, and even though great players don't need to rise to Jordan dominance OR Bird team-play levels, it'd bring Milwaukee a few more Titles if He did.

[theFireBlanket]

Didn't realise James Harden changed his # to 34 & could only run & dunk. Giannis studies film, & is a deft playmaker.

Can't help when players stop missing shots & no the team cannot survive without Khris &/or Giannis, or Dame. Injuries make a world's difference eventually. They survived that ECF without Giannis but that was a different team on its own run.

Regardless of anyone's opinion here, it sounds like Doc plans to have Dame continue with intiating more.

[nagawicka]

Incorrect, WTF, no one is saying Giannis needs to do more, they're saying he needs to do less. See that? Sure, more team ball, see how that doesn't increase His load at all, does it? Relying more on the other 4 Bucks on the floor translates into less wear-&-tear on Giannis's body, and more-potent, harder-to-defend squad. Where's the issue? Point guards not getting the ball while the Bucks can't function and trip over themselves doing it isn't some other guys problem.

When? I agree sometimes he tries to do too much, but if we're talking about his postseason play, he has hardly been able to play at all the last two seasons and the one before that he lost the #2 option on offense and the #3, the guy who actually is a perimeter player, shot 15/50 from three.

It's not about who was *not available* to 'help Giannis' do it all alone. More cohesive team play all season would put *the Bucks squad* in a position to win with or without your #2 or #3 options. Agreed that-- sure, winning requires a player to rise up, take matters in-handadn DO IT--but "doing more" isn't the same thing as one guy choosing to do all the scoring when in fact the team is more likely to win with with the whole lineup involved. Giannis is GREAT. Yet sheer numerical output did not bag another title. And every home run hitter has unacknowleged strikeout tendencies. Which comes at the expense of team chances of taking that game, taking that series. OTOH, the balanced approach won them a title; proof being they regularly involved Bryn Forbes to the chagrin of this board.

[theFireBlanket]

Incorrect, WTF, no one is saying Giannis needs to do more, they're saying he needs to do less. See that? Sure, more team ball, see how that doesn't increase His load at all, does it? Relying more on the other 4 Bucks on the floor translates into less wear-&-tear on Giannis's body, and more-potent, harder-to-defend squad. Where's the issue? Point guards not getting the ball while the Bucks can't function and trip over themselves doing it isn't some other guys problem.

When? I agree sometimes he tries to do too much, but if we're talking about his postseason play, he has hardly been able to play at all the last two seasons and the one before that he lost the #2 option on offense and the #3, the guy who actually is a perimeter player, shot 15/50 from three.

It's not about who was *not available* to 'help Giannis' do it all alone. More cohesive team play all season would put *the Bucks squad* in a position to win with or without your #2 or #3 options. Agreed that-- sure, winning requires a player to rise up, take matters in-handadn DO IT--but "doing more" isn't the same thing as one guy choosing to do all the scoring when in fact the team is more likely to win with with the whole lineup involved. Giannis is GREAT. Yet sheer numerical output did not bag another title. And every home run hitter has unacknowleged strikeout tendencies. Which comes at the expense of team chances of taking that game, taking that series. OTOH, the balanced approach won them a title; proof being they regularly involved Bryn Forbes to the chagrin of this board.

For one series. It only worked against Miami. Everyone's happy for a Forbes or Beasley to knock down shots. But if they're getting exploited on defense, a smart coach (Bud & now Doc) yanks them.

[SupremeHustle]

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AJ's speed is legit.

[chonestown]

[slos]

Some adjustments I'm looking into next season.

- Giannis needs to try the backseat and let Dame run the offence. Still a ton of superstar things to do even without the ball in his hands. Midds getting some more looks would be nice too.
- Giannis should be the C in the Portis lineups. No doubt Bobby will benefit spending 100% of his time as a PF focusing on getting buckets without losing his mind getting bullied by other Cs.
- Giannis getting some limited time at C should be a smart move moving forward since both him and Brook are not getting any younger. That's a 3 year plan I would work with these guys.

2024/2025
Giannis (24)/Bobby (24)
Brook (36)/Giannis (12)

2025/2026
Giannis (20)/Bobby (28)
Brook (32)/Giannis (16)

2026/2027
Bobby (32)/Giannis (16)
Giannis (20)/Brook (28)

- Obviously Trent, Wright, Prince took the minimum with some promises so I have them rounding up the Top 9 aling with Pat at least for the beggining of the season. So here we are.

Dame (36)/Wright (12)
Trent (28)/Pat (20)
Midds (36)/Prince (12)
Giannis (24)/Bobby (24)
Brook (36)/Giannis (12)

- But there is still a ton of playing time in these meaningless RS games for Johnson/Green/Jackson/MarJon/Livingston/Smith. I have high hopes, at least one should crack in the Top 9.

- Doc trying the backseatat in tactics where he is bad giving a louder voice to his assistans, while focusing on relationships with the players where he is good should be another nice thing to do.

I like our dark horse odds. Honestly I have Bucks the favorite to win it all if healthy. I know that's a big if, but the same stands for every team in the NBA. Go Bucks!

[-Jragon-]

Magically, I hope we somehow don't look like traffic cones again on perimeter D.. the only perimeter defender we had last year is in Tel Aviv or some BS trying to get his podcast global.

New guys are always hit or miss in mke and if it comes down to Pat C getting big minutes again then another sad offseason is coming.