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[DingleJerry]

My idea isn't taking Dame off the ball, its taking him off the TEAM which has the added benefit of extending our window and saving a boatload of money. Send Dame to a place where he wants to be and can have the ball as much as he wants, the Bucks will be a better team for it. The fact you guys can't grasp that this is a better team with Jrue rather than Dame is mind boggling. Giannis and Dame are who they are, find the fit that works. Dame makes the team worse on defense AND offense, this idea that Giannis just needs to take a step back on offense will somehow improve the bad defense is nonsensical. We can't have 1 guy who plays all the defense and 1 guy who plays all the offense, its a dumb way to build a team and why we look bad on both sides of the ball now.

also Dame is a bad creator, Giannis and Khris are both significantly better at creating for others. More Dame ball pounding would just mean more shots for Dame and less for everybody else. He is not in any way other than height a point guard.

The best scenario is Dame running offense and Giannis focusing on defense indeed. BUT that is not going to happen. This is Giannis' team and he wants to be superstar at offense. Thats who he was when he won 2 MVPs and also when he won Finals MVP. He will NEVER accept any other role. And he is Bucks legend and thats is what it is.

Considering that, the Bucks MUST trade Dame. As soon as posible really.

That's kind of where I'm at. This should be a perfect fit. But If Giannis won't embrace this and being a big man then it is what it is, might as well move Dame now while you can still get a good amount back for him. Keep bowing to Giannis' preferences and likely never be a winning team again in his career, but we don't really have another choice.

Also, can we drop the Dame can't win type crap. Guy has won his whole career with some pretty blah and even trash rosters around him before the last two years in Por when he was hurt a season and then they tanked another one. The year before he came here he was as good as he's ever been. The league and pretty much every good team is based around a scoring PG who is usually fairly weak at D (keep in mind the modern rules make this D very difficult), that is the modern NBA pg.

[yannisk]

Giannis should emphasize defense. He is one of the few that can make a positive difference if he tries. At the moment he takes too many shots, 21 FGA by far the more he has in his career. He should reduce that, put more energy on defense and involve more people

But all this idea that Dame plays off ball and not getting involved is not true

Dame is 4th in the NBA in time of possession tied with Harden
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches?dir=D&sort=TIME_OF_POSS

he is 6th in the league in passes received
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing?dir=D&sort=PASSES_RECEIVED

and 11th in the league in touches per game
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches?dir=D&sort=TOUCHES

[ABucksFan]

Unfortunately, I think we're stuck. Giannis is a MVP and champ. He's not going to change who he is even if it's for the greater good, we kind of just have to accept it. Nothing about his game has evolved over the past 5-6 years, we're looking at the same player just a littler older.

[msiris]

I think If Dame should change his game more like driving to the hoop and drawing more fouls. Right now his shot selection is like 50~50. It should be more like 25-75. After all he is no Curry.

[Chessboxer]

taking dame off ball and letting giannis run point is about the worst idea. if we had westbrook and dame would we let westbrook be the pg? i mean if we did it would work better than giannis in that role.

dame needs to be the pg and giannis needs to be top 20 in ppg because it just happens.... he needs to go back to the old days and be top 20 in rpg, apg, bpg, and spg because he prioritizes it again.

we dont need giannis running point so he can lead the league in scoring ffs. we need him to lead a top 10 defense and dame to lead a top 10 offense. they are good enough that if they both took on those singular challenges(and doc was worth a **** on the rest of it)... we wouldnt be in this spot

The issue is that Dame is not a PG, does not create well and has some baffling turnovers. Giannis is actually a much better passer and playmaker than Dame is. He is the Bucks all time assist leader after all. Even Middleton is a better playmaker than Dame. Because of that, Dame needs to adjust his game to Giannis who is the teams' best player. The issue is Dame can't or won't do it. Wade adjusted to Lebron in Miami by becoming an off ball cutter/slasher/midrange threat.

Kenyon Martin pretty much ripped Dame's playmaking against Boston yesterday on Gils Arena, especially on the last possession where Giannis was wide open for a lob pass and he passed it to Prince. He said he would let that play slide if Dame was a rookie, but not a guy who is in the league over a decade. Arenas even joked that he could have thrown that pass. In fact, I can't recall one lob pass Dame has thrown to Giannis since he's been in Milwaukee and Giannis is one of the best finishers in league history.

[Sigra]

I just saw that Giannis is NBA PPG leader right now

Yeah, he is going after that title this year. You can be sure about that.

[-Jragon-]

I think If Dame should change his game more like driving to the hoop and drawing more fouls. Right now his shot selection is like 50~50. It should be more like 25-75. After all he is no Curry.

Yep, especially early in the game when that whistle is hot in the official's lip and get some early fouls on them.

Here's the challenge.. rn the other teams' gamble is pressure the ball out of Dame's hand and hope someone else shoots a quick yolo 3 or long fadeaway 2. We need some secondary action where Dame passes as the pressure comes and then gets the ball back coming downhill to attack -- and do as you just said. Throughout the game he should get himself some open 3 looks and see if he has the heat -- if he does then his teammates have to feed him til he misses.. don't take a turn and freeze him back up -- that should be a thing because that's how these type of shooters operate

[-Jragon-]

Every game is seems after Dame makes one then everyone else is jealous and they all take turns shooting some bs... stop... let him have some stretches and then he'll let you have some stretches later.. he doesn't want to shoot for 46 minutes... he wants a few 6 minute stretches when he's feeling it.. get the F out of his way unless it's a screen

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[Ron Swanson]

Yes, here's Ben Simmons and all of these picks from playoff teams that won't be bad anytime soon lol. Just like everyone massively overrating OKC's assets, it doesn't matter how many firsts you can throw in to a Giannis trade offer when they're all garbage picks with little-to-no reasonable possibility of being good.

[steger_3434]

Yes, here's Ben Simmons and all of these picks from playoff teams that won't be bad anytime soon lol. Just like everyone massively overrating OKC's assets, it doesn't matter how many firsts you can throw in to a Giannis trade offer when they're all garbage picks with little-to-no reasonable possibility of being good.

We thought our firsts were garbage picks…..until now when they look like lottery picks


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[DingleJerry]

taking dame off ball and letting giannis run point is about the worst idea. if we had westbrook and dame would we let westbrook be the pg? i mean if we did it would work better than giannis in that role.

dame needs to be the pg and giannis needs to be top 20 in ppg because it just happens.... he needs to go back to the old days and be top 20 in rpg, apg, bpg, and spg because he prioritizes it again.

we dont need giannis running point so he can lead the league in scoring ffs. we need him to lead a top 10 defense and dame to lead a top 10 offense. they are good enough that if they both took on those singular challenges(and doc was worth a **** on the rest of it)... we wouldnt be in this spot

The issue is that Dame is not a PG, does not create well and has some baffling turnovers. Giannis is actually a much better passer and playmaker than Dame is. He is the Bucks all time assist leader after all. Even Middleton is a better playmaker than Dame. Because of that, Dame needs to adjust his game to Giannis who is the teams' best player. The issue is Dame can't or won't do it. Wade adjusted to Lebron in Miami by becoming an off ball cutter/slasher/midrange threat.

Kenyon Martin pretty much ripped Dame's playmaking against Boston yesterday on Gils Arena, especially on the last possession where Giannis was wide open for a lob pass and he passed it to Prince. He said he would let that play slide if Dame was a rookie, but not a guy who is in the league over a decade. Arenas even joked that he could have thrown that pass. In fact, I can't recall one lob pass Dame has thrown to Giannis since he's been in Milwaukee and Giannis is one of the best finishers in league history.

Except none of that was close to true about him before he got here. That is the issue/variable.

[neiLz]

I think If Dame should change his game more like driving to the hoop and drawing more fouls. Right now his shot selection is like 50~50. It should be more like 25-75. After all he is no Curry.

Yep, especially early in the game when that whistle is hot in the official's lip and get some early fouls on them.

Here's the challenge.. rn the other teams' gamble is pressure the ball out of Dame's hand and hope someone else shoots a quick yolo 3 or long fadeaway 2. We need some secondary action where Dame passes as the pressure comes and then gets the ball back coming downhill to attack -- and do as you just said. Throughout the game he should get himself some open 3 looks and see if he has the heat -- if he does then his teammates have to feed him til he misses.. don't take a turn and freeze him back up -- that should be a thing because that's how these type of shooters operate

didn't we complain almost all the 2nd half of the season when the refs swallowed their whistle on guards like dame? he was around 8 or so to start last season, then the refs decided to cheat and not call fouls any more. that's more the reason why he doesn't go to the lane. and also because doc just wants to post up bigs vs littles and it takes 18 seconds to get an entry pass in.

[-Jragon-]

taking dame off ball and letting giannis run point is about the worst idea. if we had westbrook and dame would we let westbrook be the pg? i mean if we did it would work better than giannis in that role.

dame needs to be the pg and giannis needs to be top 20 in ppg because it just happens.... he needs to go back to the old days and be top 20 in rpg, apg, bpg, and spg because he prioritizes it again.

we dont need giannis running point so he can lead the league in scoring ffs. we need him to lead a top 10 defense and dame to lead a top 10 offense. they are good enough that if they both took on those singular challenges(and doc was worth a **** on the rest of it)... we wouldnt be in this spot

The issue is that Dame is not a PG, does not create well and has some baffling turnovers. Giannis is actually a much better passer and playmaker than Dame is. He is the Bucks all time assist leader after all. Even Middleton is a better playmaker than Dame. Because of that, Dame needs to adjust his game to Giannis who is the teams' best player. The issue is Dame can't or won't do it. Wade adjusted to Lebron in Miami by becoming an off ball cutter/slasher/midrange threat.

Kenyon Martin pretty much ripped Dame's playmaking against Boston yesterday on Gils Arena, especially on the last possession where Giannis was wide open for a lob pass and he passed it to Prince. He said he would let that play slide if Dame was a rookie, but not a guy who is in the league over a decade. Arenas even joked that he could have thrown that pass. In fact, I can't recall one lob pass Dame has thrown to Giannis since he's been in Milwaukee and Giannis is one of the best finishers in league history.

Because Dame is AI .. what was the score at that time? We were down more than 2.. what was Prince shooting from deep before that shot? 3 - 3, right? He got the shot he wanted for the guy he wanted to take it... and it didnt work

[-Jragon-]

I think If Dame should change his game more like driving to the hoop and drawing more fouls. Right now his shot selection is like 50~50. It should be more like 25-75. After all he is no Curry.

Yep, especially early in the game when that whistle is hot in the official's lip and get some early fouls on them.

Here's the challenge.. rn the other teams' gamble is pressure the ball out of Dame's hand and hope someone else shoots a quick yolo 3 or long fadeaway 2. We need some secondary action where Dame passes as the pressure comes and then gets the ball back coming downhill to attack -- and do as you just said. Throughout the game he should get himself some open 3 looks and see if he has the heat -- if he does then his teammates have to feed him til he misses.. don't take a turn and freeze him back up -- that should be a thing because that's how these type of shooters operate

didn't we complain almost all the 2nd half of the season when the refs swallowed their whistle on guards like dame? he was around 8 or so to start last season, then the refs decided to cheat and not call fouls any more. that's more the reason why he doesn't go to the lane. and also because doc just wants to post up bigs vs littles and it takes 18 seconds to get an entry pass in.

He's top 10 in FT attempts.. whatever that yip was last year is fixed

[-Jragon-]

Last year Dame was using the flop package.. refs said nope.. he adjusted.. now he's following through the contact

[msiris]

I think If Dame should change his game more like driving to the hoop and drawing more fouls. Right now his shot selection is like 50~50. It should be more like 25-75. After all he is no Curry.

Yep, especially early in the game when that whistle is hot in the official's lip and get some early fouls on them.

Here's the challenge.. rn the other teams' gamble is pressure the ball out of Dame's hand and hope someone else shoots a quick yolo 3 or long fadeaway 2. We need some secondary action where Dame passes as the pressure comes and then gets the ball back coming downhill to attack -- and do as you just said. Throughout the game he should get himself some open 3 looks and see if he has the heat -- if he does then his teammates have to feed him til he misses.. don't take a turn and freeze him back up -- that should be a thing because that's how these type of shooters operate

didn't we complain almost all the 2nd half of the season when the refs swallowed their whistle on guards like dame? he was around 8 or so to start last season, then the refs decided to cheat and not call fouls any more. that's more the reason why he doesn't go to the lane. and also because doc just wants to post up bigs vs littles and it takes 18 seconds to get an entry pass in.

No. His shooting split is 50~50 the last 5 years or so. He shoots over 50% from Two and 37% from 3. When he is not hitting 3s you can forget it. To me he doesn't play with the same fire Giannis does.

[-Jragon-]

The people bashing the Jrue trade should remember this:

I doubt Giannis agrees to that trade in 2023 if Jrue wasn't in the media threatening retirement in 2024 (after that contract completed). I think that became a key variable in that situation.

[engelmartin]

So randomly speculating based on nothing counts as “trade rumors” these days? Apparently we are all “insiders” based on that criteria.

[fansinceforever]

I was unaware that the Bucks '25 pick is top 4 protected.

If the next 11 games don't go our way then the tank should be in full force. You've gotta win 7/11 or we gut this thing other than Giannis until he says he wants out.