2018 NBA Draft pt 2 - NOW WITH A POLL

[StickeeFingaz]

Woelfel wrote that the Bucks front office took Holiday, Mitchell Robinson, and Mo Wagner out to dinner while they were in Milwaukee.

I think we all know what it means when the Bucks take a prospect out to dinner.

Other Gery tidbits:

-Gery said Bucks have shown great deal of interest in Zhaire Smith and Lonnie Walker.

-Source told Gery that the Bucks are one of the more active teams leading up to the draft.

-Source told Gery that the Bucks will look to trade their pick if they can find a veteran wing player.

-Gery said there are rumblings that Bucks want to obtain a top notch PG and have been exploring trade possibilities for Bledsoe.


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I recall the Bucks taking Deyonta Davis for dinner leading up to the draft and everyone becoming excited.

Yea I think I forgot about that. I wrote that remembering when Hammond took Thon out to dinner (Pizza Man?) and reports were Thon was very impressive. The rest is history.


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[StickeeFingaz]

I would have linked the Woelfel article but I’m at work on my phone. It’s his latest article on his Woelfel Pressbox website if people want to post it.


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[Bernman]

Don't get the point in taking prospects out to dinner. Potentially tipping your hand you don't need to kowtow to them at that point.

[Nowak008]

Troy Brown kinda reminds me of Jared Dudley. Wouldn't be the worst thing to pick at #17 I guess....

I'll take guys like Kyle Anderson over guys like Chriss all day. Ball handling and defense are the top things I Iook for.

[emunney]

**** I'll set the sail on Mitchell Robinson's leaky clipper before I drown in the boredom of Holiday and Wagner.

[BuildingBucks]

**** I'll set the sail on Mitchell Robinson's leaky clipper before I drown in the boredom of Holiday and Wagner.

If those 3 are the players they are choosing from I'm really really really hoping we end up with Mitchell Robinson

[Brewhoopfan]

Big East Defensive Player of the Year - Twice.

Henson was ACC Defensive Player of the Year - Twice.

As was Brogdon (also NACB DPOY) and he's only been okay defensively in the NBA.

Thomas is Brogdon?

Brogdon is better than OK when not being asked to guard PGs. If Thomas is a Brogdon level player, then you take him without a second thought. I'd also be 100% in favor of Mitchell Robinson over Holiday and especially Wagner.

[msiris]

**** I'll set the sail on Mitchell Robinson's leaky clipper before I drown in the boredom of Holiday and Wagner.

Just say no to white centers. We have seen enough of them to last a life time.

[BucksStatsGuy]

Don't get the point in taking prospects out to dinner. Potentially tipping your hand you don't need to kowtow to them at that point.

I'd argue that it's one of the more important things about getting guys in. Workouts are for the most part very stupid. There are so many variables that could lead to a guy looking good or awful. Agents specifically will prevent players from working out against others. Some will say what they can and can't do. Some come into Milwaukee after nearly 4 weeks straight on the road with tons of back to back workouts and look terrible and clearly fatigued. Sometimes the matchups are ridiculous. Of any part of the draft process, I would value workouts close to the bottom compared to seeing them during the year multiple times or watching a ton of film, among other things. I could imagine a workout only being useful when directly comparing two guys, and literally everything else is the same about them. Very rarely did I see a workout and have it change my opinion on someone.

But what you can tell is all the mental stuff, and that's where taking them out to dinner to see what kind of person they are can really help. You can tease out egos and clownish behavior quickly from how they workout against opponents. Front office and coaches are well aware of team dynamics, and you get a better sense of how that person would integrate into your locker room from actually sitting down and talking with them

[emunney]

Don't get the point in taking prospects out to dinner. Potentially tipping your hand you don't need to kowtow to them at that point.

I'd argue that it's one of the more important things about getting guys in. Workouts are for the most part very stupid. There are so many variables that could lead to a guy looking good or awful. Agents specifically will prevent players from working out against others. Some will say what they can and can't do. Some come into Milwaukee after nearly 4 weeks straight on the road with tons of back to back workouts and look terrible and clearly fatigued. Sometimes the matchups are ridiculous. Of any part of the draft process, I would value workouts close to the bottom compared to seeing them during the year multiple times or watching a ton of film, among other things. I could imagine a workout only being useful when directly comparing two guys, and literally everything else is the same about them. Very rarely did I see a workout and have it change my opinion on someone.

But what you can tell is all the mental stuff, and that's where taking them out to dinner to see what kind of person they are can really help. You can tease out egos and clownish behavior quickly from how they workout against opponents. Front office and coaches are well aware of team dynamics, and you get a better sense of how that person would integrate into your locker room from actually sitting down and talking with them

If anything they should take more guys out to dinner. If they take 20 guys out to dinner, not only do you have more info, but it means less from the outside.

[msiris]

Don't get the point in taking prospects out to dinner. Potentially tipping your hand you don't need to kowtow to them at that point.

I'd argue that it's one of the more important things about getting guys in. Workouts are for the most part very stupid. There are so many variables that could lead to a guy looking good or awful. Agents specifically will prevent players from working out against others. Some will say what they can and can't do. Some come into Milwaukee after nearly 4 weeks straight on the road with tons of back to back workouts and look terrible and clearly fatigued. Sometimes the matchups are ridiculous. Of any part of the draft process, I would value workouts close to the bottom compared to seeing them during the year multiple times or watching a ton of film, among other things. I could imagine a workout only being useful when directly comparing two guys, and literally everything else is the same about them. Very rarely did I see a workout and have it change my opinion on someone.

But what you can tell is all the mental stuff, and that's where taking them out to dinner to see what kind of person they are can really help. You can tease out egos and clownish behavior quickly from how they workout against opponents. Front office and coaches are well aware of team dynamics, and you get a better sense of how that person would integrate into your locker room from actually sitting down and talking with them

If anything they should take more guys out to dinner. If they take 20 guys out to dinner, not only do you have more info, but it means less from the outside.

Or do the Bucks want you to think they drafting one of the guys you are taking to dinner, so they can land a DJ Wilson type of guy.

[Baddy Chuck]

So what's the argument for taking him over Huerter then?

What's the argument for taking Huerter over him?

They're similar level prospects who offer different skils. I don't really see how Huerter is somehow head and shoulders above.

[Bernman]

Don't get the point in taking prospects out to dinner. Potentially tipping your hand you don't need to kowtow to them at that point.

I'd argue that it's one of the more important things about getting guys in. Workouts are for the most part very stupid. There are so many variables that could lead to a guy looking good or awful. Agents specifically will prevent players from working out against others. Some will say what they can and can't do. Some come into Milwaukee after nearly 4 weeks straight on the road with tons of back to back workouts and look terrible and clearly fatigued. Sometimes the matchups are ridiculous. Of any part of the draft process, I would value workouts close to the bottom compared to seeing them during the year multiple times or watching a ton of film, among other things. I could imagine a workout only being useful when directly comparing two guys, and literally everything else is the same about them. Very rarely did I see a workout and have it change my opinion on someone.

But what you can tell is all the mental stuff, and that's where taking them out to dinner to see what kind of person they are can really help. You can tease out egos and clownish behavior quickly from how they workout against opponents. Front office and coaches are well aware of team dynamics, and you get a better sense of how that person would integrate into your locker room from actually sitting down and talking with them

If anything they should take more guys out to dinner. If they take 20 guys out to dinner, not only do you have more info, but it means less from the outside.

Well that dramatically changes the equation then. Have everybody who comes in for a workout come in for dinner, and have more people come in for a workout (although I agree that by itself is not very useful). It's not my money and time. And sure, it helps you get more of a feel for their personality, which does matter. You want to find out the motivations and awareness of players to find out if they'll develop and be trustworthy off the court.

But if they take a limited sample of players out to dinner and then select from that group, I'll stand by my statement that it's a counter-productive practice since there's less chance that player will be available from the tip-off. Unless they just target guys way below their projected range who nobody else would reasonably want there like they did with Thon. Although that poses another problem. Maybe they should stop doing that. Whatever they were doing they should stop doing because it obviously wasn't working.

[ReddRum]

-"Gery said there are rumblings that Bucks want to obtain a top notch PG and have been exploring trade possibilities for Bledsoe."

Dame incoming...

[mke_design]

-"Gery said there are rumblings that Bucks want to obtain a top notch PG and have been exploring trade possibilities for Bledsoe."

Dame incoming...

Gerys reports are about as useful as citing the Bible for morality issues.


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[Ill-yasova]

Troy Brown kinda reminds me of Jared Dudley. Wouldn't be the worst thing to pick at #17 I guess....

Ive seen quite a few comparisons to Evan Turner and I think that’s spot on. He certainly doesn’t shoot 3s like Jared Dudley.

[ReddRum]

-"Gery said there are rumblings that Bucks want to obtain a top notch PG and have been exploring trade possibilities for Bledsoe."

Dame incoming...

Honestly the only other potentially "elite now or in the near future" that may be available PG's are Dame, Kemba, or Rozier.... Who am I missing?

[RiotPunch]

-"Gery said there are rumblings that Bucks want to obtain a top notch PG and have been exploring trade possibilities for Bledsoe."

Dame incoming...

Honestly the only other potentially "elite now or in the near future" that may be available PG's are Dame, Kemba, or Rozier.... Who am I missing?

Lonzo?

[msiris]

So what's the argument for taking him over Huerter then?

What's the argument for taking Huerter over him?

They're similar level prospects who offer different skils. I don't really see how Huerter is somehow head and shoulders above.

There is no way of knowing who the better prospects are when picking later. Its amazing that some people think they know when even the pros do not know most of the time. Its more of a personal preference more than anything.

[Baddy Chuck]

-"Gery said there are rumblings that Bucks want to obtain a top notch PG and have been exploring trade possibilities for Bledsoe."

Dame incoming...

Honestly the only other potentially "elite now or in the near future" that may be available PG's are Dame, Kemba, or Rozier.... Who am I missing?

Going to kindly ask you to take a chill pill.