2019 Draft Thread

[emunney]

So we've got:

DX: Grant Williams
nbadraft.net: Dylan Windler
The Ringer: Kabengele
SI: Okpala
Yahoo: Edwards
Wasserman: Gafford

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So based on these workouts, it looks like we are 2nd round pick shopping

[jakecronus8]

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So based on these workouts, it looks like we are 2nd round pick shopping

IDK. Could see Lecque or Oni being the guy. A guy like Lecque is such a wild card. Could be a late first, could be undrafted.

[RiotPunch]

So based on these workouts, it looks like we are 2nd round pick shopping

My thoughts as well. Snell/#30 to SAC for #60, draft Hinton, Oni or Lecque.

[emunney]

Still like Roby's upside. Check the Smitty here:

https://youtu.be/5DET4h8Z5pw?t=90

[Rockmaninoff]

Last year, I was all in on Heurter. The year before last, Derrick White. The year before that, Thon (oops, I thought he was 19!).

This year, there's like 10 guys I'd be cool with in our range, but no ones separated from the pack. I guess that means trade down.

[Bucks4005]

Longtime lurker, but I don't see what peoples problem with Gafford is. I mean, physically he seems to have everything that a team would want in a C. I get that we need to have floor spacers on the floor with Giannis. But assuming we bring Lopez back, Ersan will also get minutes at the 4 and 5, I feel having diversity in our lineup would help a lot. Like, these past playoffs we were launching and missing 3s, but Gafford kinda fits in as a pick and roll threat. Do we have any bigs like that on our roster right now? Just because Gafford doesn't fit our system right now doesn't mean he is useless as a player, if Bud is as great a coach as we think he is, maybe he uses Gafford more with Bledsoe when Giannis is on the bench and open up some more pick and roll action. Right now though, I don't really think we have a big thats particularly good at the pick and roll though. That alone has value offensively in addressing a weakness if Gafford can provide good rebounding and defense as a rookie right away.

The problem with Gafford is that there are plenty of FA PnR threats available for the minimum. I've been advocating for Cheick Diallo for quite a while. He went #33 in an arguably deeper draft in 2016 and improved every season claiming 29% of DRB with 64% TS. He's a pretty solid FT-shooter. And he's probably available for the minimum. So are plenty of others. So Gafford has to be significantly better than those guys (because you're using a draft pick to get him instead of signing a free agent). And what is his ceiling? DAJ if everything goes well? How much is he going to get? Honestly I wouldn't pay more than the tax-MLE for Jordan and if I'm drafting a guy and investing time developing him and his best outcome is some player worth the tax-MLE I'm doing something wrong.

When you draft a center these days he either needs to become a shooter, a playmaker, an elite offensive player or a game changer on the defensive end. I don't see an avenue for Gafford to become any of those.

Or look at a guy like Frank Kaminsky. Totally different skillset but after being drafted in the lottery in 2015 and shooting consistently for 4 years I'm not sure Charlotte will be offering the QO cause he'll just sign it. What he's going to go for? Is our roster spot really better filled with Gafford than with a guy that got drafted high, had 4 years in the league and fits our system well? I don't think so. You're better off drafting a random wing at our range cause the league needs more wings and any will do. But the market with centers is so oversaturated that unless you are exceptional, you're not worth anything. And Gafford is not exceptional. Just my opinion.

Personally, I feel having Gafford on a rookie deal drafted at 30 would’ve a steal. Guy would have been a 1st round pick last year, got better, and he’s fallen in the draft. I feel having him cost controlled for 4 years as a clear contributor on a good team has a ton of value.

Part of it might just be this draft though. I don’t really like any of these guys later in. It’s a weak draft at the top already, it’s not that much better later this year. At least Gafford brings the athletic tools and profile for the spot. And you mention a guy like Dedmon, but Dedmon never took 3s before coming under Bud. If a guy with Gaffords physical profile fell to us, if Dedmon was developed into a shooter under Bud, couldn’t Gaffords development be structured the same way? You take a super athletic PNR center and you teach him to be a threat from 3? You bring back Lopez, hell, you have a player coach already ina guy who adjusted his game like Gafford did.

I just feel people are underrating Gaffords upside. Guy was in discussions for a lottery pick last year and improved as a player over the past year. And he tested pretty well at the combine. Yet is now a 2nd round pick because what, he can’t shoot? RJ Barrett can’t shoot and he’s likely the 3rd overall pick and not a C. In terms of physical athleticism and profile, Gafford might be the best option at 30, cause I don’t think that FSU C will be there. And Bud has been able to develop non 3 point shooters into shooters like a guy you mentioned, Dedmon. So I say go for Gafford because his physical profile is the clear best by a mile IMO of the guys that are available

[emunney]

Last year, I was all in on Heurter. The year before last, Derrick White. The year before that, Thon (oops, I thought he was 19!).

This year, there's like 10 guys I'd be cool with in our range, but no ones separated from the pack. I guess that means trade down.

I think it more likely means we're so far down we don't know who'll be there. My guess is there will be a clear pick for you when the pick comes up.

[mattg]

Last year, I was all in on Heurter. The year before last, Derrick White. The year before that, Thon (oops, I thought he was 19!).

This year, there's like 10 guys I'd be cool with in our range, but no ones separated from the pack. I guess that means trade down.

I think it more likely means we're so far down we don't know who'll be there. My guess is there will be a clear pick for you when the pick comes up.

This. It’s a lot easier to identify players and talents who are being undervalued when you’re picking late lotto to late teens. Once you hit late 20s it’s a crapshoot since you have no idea who will still be on the board. And in this draft my gut tells me that the talent level from mid lotto to end of the first round is extremely comparable.

[LuessiT]

Personally, I feel having Gafford on a rookie deal drafted at 30 would’ve a steal. Guy would have been a 1st round pick last year, got better, and he’s fallen in the draft. I feel having him cost controlled for 4 years as a clear contributor on a good team has a ton of value.

I wouldn't say fallen. Just because some websites have him ranked somewhere doesn't mean he would have got drafted in that range. How valueable is it really having him on a rookie contract though? The contract starts at 1.9m-2.1m in year 1-3 going up to 3.8m in year 4. He's competing versus minimum contract guys like Noah Vonleh last year. And truth be told, he doesn't outplay Noah Vonleh last year. Or take Deyonta Davis who this board totally loved. And he'll be more expensive. So when you say cost controlled for 4 years, you're banking on him significantly improving so much that in his later years he's worth so much more than these minimum guys that have been in the league for 4 years and more? I don't see that. What I indeed could see is that the center market changes drasticly when all these bad contracts handed to centers are gone. I'm talking about Mozgov, about Biyombo, Mahinmi and so on. But that is hard to predict.

Part of it might just be this draft though. I don’t really like any of these guys later in. It’s a weak draft at the top already, it’s not that much better later this year. At least Gafford brings the athletic tools and profile for the spot. And you mention a guy like Dedmon, but Dedmon never took 3s before coming under Bud. If a guy with Gaffords physical profile fell to us, if Dedmon was developed into a shooter under Bud, couldn’t Gaffords development be structured the same way? You take a super athletic PNR center and you teach him to be a threat from 3? You bring back Lopez, hell, you have a player coach already ina guy who adjusted his game like Gafford did.

I didn't mention Dedmon. Dedmon made 68% of his FTs in his sophomore year, Gafford is at 59%. I don't think Gafford has shooting touch enough for it to be feaseable expecting him to shoot from 3. That said I thought the same about Dedmon but here we are. It's certainly not impossible but so far he's not indicated at all that he'll add range to his game.

I just feel people are underrating Gaffords upside. Guy was in discussions for a lottery pick last year and improved as a player over the past year. And he tested pretty well at the combine. Yet is now a 2nd round pick because what, he can’t shoot? RJ Barrett can’t shoot and he’s likely the 3rd overall pick and not a C. In terms of physical athleticism and profile, Gafford might be the best option at 30, cause I don’t think that FSU C will be there. And Bud has been able to develop non 3 point shooters into shooters like a guy you mentioned, Dedmon. So I say go for Gafford because his physical profile is the clear best by a mile IMO of the guys that are available

Now it's getting ugly. Lets get the facts straight. Barrett attempted 6.2 3PA per game. He definately can shoot. Gafford didn't attempt a single 3. Nada. Gafford can't. Also I don't care what the consensus was last year or where Gafford would have ended up getting picked had he been drafted. I also don't care where he's mocked now. All that doesn't matter. What matters is Gafford came out this year and I rate him based on what I've seen. His athleticism is overrated. What I mean is he needs to load up to get up really high. The basic play in college has been pick, bounce pass, gather and dunk. This will be a problem in the NBA. There will be players who will match his athleticism and there will be guards able to step in front of him. He has no passing game. I actually like his post game because he has touch near the rim and he's quick getting into his moves and mostly relies on power and athleticism there. On defense he doesn't put himself in positions to protect the rim. He's actually pretty good at blocking shots on ball but that is not as much of a required skill. He's pretty good on switches but not Jaxson Hayes good. He can move his feet in a straight line but struggles side to side.
I do see upside in transition. He runs the floor hard consistently. That has value especially in some quicker systems like Sacramento used last season.

Gafford is basicly the prototypical athletic rim running center. It's honestly pretty easy to project him because he is what he is. He will most likely not become a shooter, he will most likely not be a passer, he will block some shots but won't be a rim protector and he'll be able to handle himself on the perimeter but won't be able to switch on guards consistently. So the question is how do you rate such a guy? And for me it's pretty easy: I see no value in such a guy and wouldn't draft him, not even at #60. I'd rather get a wing.

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I've sold myself pretty hard on Windler in the last 48hrs.

[PG Graveyard]

So we've got:

DX: Grant Williams
nbadraft.net: Dylan Windler
The Ringer: Kabengele
SI: Okpala
Yahoo: Edwards
Wasserman: Gafford

I'm a Windler guy, but I don't watch any college bball outside of the tourney and I caught is amazing round 1 game.

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[machu46]

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A good albeit very long read.

I’m still a little bit surprised how low mocks have Ponds going. He’s not the top guy on my list but I think he’d be a good get for us


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[LuessiT]

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A good albeit very long read.

I’m still a little bit surprised how low mocks have Ponds going. He’s not the top guy on my list but I think he’d be a good get for us


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Good read. Gave me an indication that I'm probably still a bit too low on shot makers with not many other skills.

[LuessiT]

A little bit of lighthearted fun.

https://www.sbnation.com/a/nba-draft-player-finder-2019

[IrishRainbow]

A little bit of lighthearted fun.

https://www.sbnation.com/a/nba-draft-player-finder-2019

1.Ty Jerome
2.Chuma Okeke
3.PJ Washington
4.DeAndre Hunter
5.Darius Garland

Any guesses on my priorities?

Do these player fit what we need?

The short? Do I see the correct dents that need filling?

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[Badgerlander]

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A good albeit very long read.

I’m still a little bit surprised how low mocks have Ponds going. He’s not the top guy on my list but I think he’d be a good get for us


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Intriguing to me to compare Ponds to year 3 CJ since they played the same minutes.

https://www.sports-reference.com/CBA/players/shamorie-ponds-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/CBA/players/cj-mccollum-1.html

https://hoop-math.com/St.John’s(NY)2019.php

https://hoop-math.com/Lehigh2012.php

[LuessiT]

A little bit of lighthearted fun.

https://www.sbnation.com/a/nba-draft-player-finder-2019

1.Ty Jerome
2.Chuma Okeke
3.PJ Washington
4.DeAndre Hunter
5.Darius Garland

Any guesses on my priorities?

Do these player fit what we need?

The short? Do I see the correct dents that need filling?

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3 point shooting, feel for the game and switchable defense?