ATL - Oladipo is Really Good (and Bledsoe dominant again)

paul · Post #1281 » by **paul** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:59 am

Davis and Kanter playing 'now you score' up and down the floor.

emunney · Post #1282 » by **emunney** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:00 am

Has any #1 overall pick ever started as badly as Anthony Bennett?

paul · Post #1283 » by **paul** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:05 am

emunney wrote:Has any #1 overall pick ever started as badly as Anthony Bennett?

That's Fats Bennett to you...

I'm not sure of the answer, but he's been brutal.

Wooderson · Post #1284 » by **Wooderson** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:08 am

paul wrote:Davis and Kanter playing 'now you score' up and down the floor.

Kanter was being guarded by Amundson for multiple possessions that I saw with Davis guarding the perimeter. Made absolutely no sense. Hayward's really starting to put it together.

paul · Post #1285 » by **paul** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:13 am

Wooderson wrote:
paul wrote:Davis and Kanter playing 'now you score' up and down the floor.

Kanter was being guarded by Amundson for multiple possessions that I saw with Davis guarding the perimeter. Made absolutely no sense. Hayward's really starting to put it together.

Yeah then they went back to guarding each other and between them gave up like 4 dunks in 6 possessions lol.

Wooderson · Post #1286 » by **Wooderson** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:18 am

paul wrote:Yeah then they went back to guarding each other and between them gave up like 4 dunks in 6 possessions lol.

I watched most of the 4th from 7 minutes on and Kanter didn't have a single dunk. He made that awkward 10 foot jumpshot and also got the FT line... just checked the gamelog and he only had 1 dunk early in the 4th. Davis couldn't have been too bad. :wink:

Bernman · Post #1287 » by **Bernman** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:20 am

emunney wrote:Has any #1 overall pick ever started as badly as Anthony Bennett?

Has any team's #1 selection seemed that inexplicable at the time?

The lesson: don't think you know so much better than the collective NBA intelligentsia when you have the #1 pick. Stick within the popular candidates. I don't think Bennett was top 5 on most boards. My jaw dropped when his name was announced.

That said, it's only a few games in. So things are far from set in stone yet.

paul · Post #1288 » by **paul** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:21 am

Wooderson wrote:
paul wrote:Yeah then they went back to guarding each other and between them gave up like 4 dunks in 6 possessions lol.

I watched most of the 4th from 7 minutes on and Kanter didn't have a single dunk. He made that awkward 10 foot jumpshot and also got the FT line... just checked the gamelog and he only had 1 dunk early in the 4th. Davis couldn't have been too bad.

He may not have dunked it, the catch at about 2 feet with Davis on his back that he laid in followed by the leak out where Rivers had to foul him were the two that stuck in my mind - there was another in quick succession but I can't think of it.

Wooderson · Post #1289 » by **Wooderson** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:24 am

He only had 5 points in the 4th. I think the Pels perimeter D is the problem. How the hell do you let Richard Jefferson breakdown your defense multiple times with penetration? That somehow happened.

ReddWing · Post #1290 » by **ReddWing** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:24 am

Not impressed by the Clippers at all. Playoff fodder, at this point.

worthlessBucks · Post #1291 » by **worthlessBucks** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:45 am

Okay Ibaka.

bizarro · Post #1292 » by **bizarro** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:54 am

Bernman wrote:
emunney wrote:Has any #1 overall pick ever started as badly as Anthony Bennett?

Has any team's #1 selection seemed that inexplicable at the time?

The lesson: don't think you know so much better than the collective NBA intelligentsia when you have the #1 pick. Stick within the popular candidates. I don't think Bennett was top 5 on most boards. My jaw dropped when his name was announced.

That said, it's only a few games in. So things are far from set in stone yet.

A friend of our family's son plays @ UNLV. He was a walk-on G last year. He was in a state of complete shock when Bennett went number one. The proof is now in the proverbial pudding. Cleveland has bucked conventional wisdom several years now and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Say what you will about Hammond's trades and acquisitions. They've been by and large poor. But, I tend to be in the camp of he's a company man following Herb and Cronies' orders. I don't have any hard evidence here, obviously, but there just seems to be a considerable amount of chatter and sentiment saying the same and leading me to trust my instincts. Herb and cronies are generally the problem. Their reputation and the overall sentiment in the league that Milwaukee is not an admirable destination all play into this. BUT, that being said, give me John Hammond in the Cleveland draft room and I can avow they'd be in an infinitely more favorable position than they are right now. They've absolutely screwed the pooch with their talent acquisition. Other than the gifts of Kyrie and Lebron, they've failed miserably in acquiring the proper surrounding talent. They've had their opportunities and they've fumbled them miserably.

It's our time. And, say what you will, I want Hammond making the picks. Everything else is on Kohl and Co. and they can just step aside, PLEASE.

whatthe_buck!? · Post #1293 » by **whatthe_buck!?** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:03 am

Wow what a night for tank u guys, we lose a close one to another bottom 5 team and Charlotte, Utah, Denver, Toronto, Philly all win in addition to the fact that sac town is stomping Brooklyn in the 4th. Not to mention one of Phoenix or Portland is guaranteed a win tonight. Fantastic night for Bucks Bball!!!!

Wooderson · Post #1294 » by **Wooderson** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:07 am

It's amazing how much more exciting scoreboard watching is in tank mode versus trying to sneak into the playoffs.

DanoMac · Post #1295 » by **DanoMac** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:14 am

TroyD92 wrote:Wroten with a triple double, but Luke Ridnour is still better.

I always thought Wroten had the potential to do big things. Guy looked like a John Wall clone in high school. Going to Washington for school was a weird choice and probably hurt him overall. Felt like Memphis drafting him was a bad fit with them being in win now mode, and Wroten being an obvious project. Philly will be a nice place for him to develop. Wish we would've bought low on him.

whatthe_buck!? · Post #1296 » by **whatthe_buck!?** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:21 am

DanoMac wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:Wroten with a triple double, but Luke Ridnour is still better.

I always thought Wroten had the potential to do big things. Guy looked like a John Wall clone in high school. Going to Washington for school was a weird choice and probably hurt him overall. Felt like Memphis drafting him was a bad fit with them being in win now mode, and Wroten being an obvious project. Philly will be a nice place for him to develop. Wish we would've bought low on literally any underperforming NBA player ever...

Fify...

Post #1297 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:43 am

emunney wrote:Has any #1 overall pick ever started as badly as Anthony Bennett?

I see they tried to force feed him some minutes tonight and he shot 3-11 with a -17.

Olowokandi was pretty bad. I recall Pervis Ellison starting out terribly as well. And of course you have Kwame.

I think Cavs fans have to be on edge right now. Not looking good for them.

whatthe_buck!? · Post #1298 » by **whatthe_buck!?** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:50 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
emunney wrote:Has any #1 overall pick ever started as badly as Anthony Bennett?

I see they tried to force feed him some minutes tonight and he shot 3-11 with a -17.

Olowokandi was pretty bad. I recall Pervis Ellison starting out terribly as well. And of course you have Kwame.

I think Cavs fans have to be on edge right now. Not looking good for them.

The whole thing with the cavs is they just have to be good enough to convince lebron to come back in a year. That is and should be their entire focus. If they suck this year then they have another chance to get a stud in the draft and if they improve as the year goes on and make a playoff push that's gonna look good to Lebron as well. I feel like they're kind of in a win win situation tbh. I would LOVE to trade them Sanders for their unprotected first after he comes back healthy, I feel like they maybe would go for that and in the off chance Sanders play so far this year turns out to be a real trend then that still could end up a top ten pick...

Edit: I guess u were talking specifically about cavs fans being on edge about Bennett possibly being a huge bust and with that I of course agree, but if he contributes absolutely nothing and they force feed him minutes even though he sucks then it will help their tank get rolling and it could end up being a very good thing, thats all I was trying to say...

emunney · Post #1299 » by **emunney** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:09 am

Those guys were bad but not this bad. They were the ones I looked up first. And Joe Berry Carroll. Those three makes tonight were his first since we played them a week ago. Just a very, very rough start. If he turns out good he'll be the anti-Jennings.

whatthe_buck!? · Post #1300 » by **whatthe_buck!?** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:15 am

emunney wrote:Those guys were bad but not this bad. They were the ones I looked up first. And Joe Berry Carroll. Those three makes tonight were his first since we played them a week ago. Just a very, very rough start. If he turns out good he'll be the anti-Jennings.

The funny thing for me is to imagine what they could get in return for Bennett if they tried to trade him right now. Could they get another teams first rounder in this draft?