ATL - PG13 to Thunder

[emunney]

The Timberwolves should win this year with or without Rubio. If they don't, indict everybody.

[AussieBuck]

Can someone explain why every European poster we have here (seemingly) hates Rubio? It's so God d*** irrational I can't wrap my head around it.

Combination of things. Everyone who isn't Spanish hates Spanish players and euro fans tend to love dudes who get buckets

[jute2003]

The Timberwolves should win this year with or without Rubio. If they don't, indict everybody.

I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion that the Wolves will make the playoffs. Thibs has a shelf life, Butler and Rubio aren't exactly a lock for playing more than 43 games, and Wiggins/Kat have yet to prove they play defense.

[blazza18]

I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion that the Wolves will make the playoffs. Thibs has a shelf life, Butler and Rubio aren't exactly a lock for playing more than 43 games, and Wiggins/Kat have yet to prove they play defense.

Rubio has played in at least 75 games 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Butler has played 82, 67, 65, 67, 75 regular season games the least 5 seasons.

I'd say that's a lock.

[Plossum]

Minny won 31 games last year. Adding Jimmy is a big plus for them but I think best case scenario is 45 wins for them and I think that's pretty ambitious. KAT was arguably the worst defensive C in the league (his impact on offence is huge though) and Wiggins is worse on that end of the floor. The big issue is whether it's and application or skill issue on that end of the floor.

They'll be there battling for the low seeds but they are no means a lock. FA could be pretty crucial for them.

[FlagsFlyForever]

You know that the Wolves issue was defense last year right? They had a higher offensive rating with Rubio on the floor (109, the equivalent of the 7th best mark in the league) than the Bucks did with Giannis. Is Rubio supposed to cover for Wiggins and KAT awful defense?

Rubio is the opposite version of Knight but still bad, he passes too much and can't create for himself and can't shoot to save his life and team. He is a team player who makes his team worse.

Makes his team worse yet they consistently play better with him on the floor. Funny how that works.

People rip on the Rubio/Love tandem for never making the playoffs disregarding that in 2014 they played like a 50+ win team with Rubio on the floor (+5.3 per 100, same as the Warriors) and a dumpster fire when he was on the bench (-6.7).

In 2014, Rubio played 88% of his minutes with Love on the floor and last season he played 90% of his minutes with KAT. Nobody will argue with you that teams generally play worse when their scrubs are in.

[Ron Swanson]

We've all heard the RPM argument a million times with Rubio, because it's pretty much the only metric that conveniently paints him as this offensive maestro that the team would be completely lost without. Or you know, it could just be that the T-Wolves backup PG's over the last 4 seasons have been a combination of Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn, old ass JJ Barea, 38 year old Andre Miller, and other assorted garbage?

Going by the on/off splits btw, the T-Wolves were by far playing their best with Tyus Jones on the floor (+3.8), not Rubio (+0.1), so take that for whatever you may.

[Plossum]

RPM is supposed to take out the noise though of which team mates he does/doesn't play with...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is RPM is designed to measure the player's impact irrespective of who he plays with.

[Wooderson]

You know that the Wolves issue was defense last year right? They had a higher offensive rating with Rubio on the floor (109, the equivalent of the 7th best mark in the league) than the Bucks did with Giannis. Is Rubio supposed to cover for Wiggins and KAT awful defense?

Rubio is the opposite version of Knight but still bad, he passes too much and can't create for himself and can't shoot to save his life and team. He is a team player who makes his team worse.

Makes his team worse yet they consistently play better with him on the floor. Funny how that works.

People rip on the Rubio/Love tandem for never making the playoffs disregarding that in 2014 they played like a 50+ win team with Rubio on the floor (+5.3 per 100, same as the Warriors) and a dumpster fire when he was on the bench (-6.7).

In 2014, Rubio played 88% of his minutes with Love on the floor and last season he played 90% of his minutes with KAT. Nobody will argue with you that teams generally play worse when their scrubs are in.

My point is that the areas holding back Minny have been their bench and defense. Offense generally hasn't been the problem when Rubio's running point, and it was elite in 2014.

Love/Towns are better fits than Giannis but I think it's overplayed how much the lack of jumper would affect the offense as long as you have 3 shooters around them. Rubio gets guys the ball where they ned it early in the clock. Giannis would have a much easier time getting it in the post. Fast break offense would get even better too.

Not saying Rubio's a world beater and he wouldn't be my first backcourt target, but I think he's better than a lot of people we'll look at.

[OneMan]

Rubio sucks no thanks.

[jute2003]

I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion that the Wolves will make the playoffs. Thibs has a shelf life, Butler and Rubio aren't exactly a lock for playing more than 43 games, and Wiggins/Kat have yet to prove they play defense.

Rubio has played in at least 75 games 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Butler has played 82, 67, 65, 67, 75 regular season games the least 5 seasons.

I'd say that's a lock.

If you say so boss

[BroncoBuck]

I'd offer MCW a 1+1 deal with a team option for year two.

Better than going after Rubio but still no.

Might be the worst take on this very website in all honesty.

He's an above average defender, if he committed to honing in that ability he could be Smart/Roberson. On a 1+1 team option he'd have value as a trade asset as well. Really nothing to lose. He's better than GP2 and Bronson Koenig.

[Baddy Chuck]

MCW at SG/SF is Corey Brewer minus the 50 point game.

[blazza18]

So MCW has got to become something he's never been to become not terrible. Cool. He can go do that in China.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Better than going after Rubio but still no.

Might be the worst take on this very website in all honesty.

He's an above average defender, if he committed to honing in that ability he could be Smart/Roberson. On a 1+1 team option he'd have value as a trade asset as well. Really nothing to lose. He's better than GP2 and Bronson Koenig.

MCW is a good defender but that's the only value he would bring to the team. I'm not keeping a defensive specialist as a backup PG when we already have Brogdon, Delly, and GP2. It's not like we have Isaiah starting and we desperately need MCW's defense.

The downside of signing MCW is clear. Not only is it a waste of a roster spot but when he plays you have the same problem as with Rubio. His defender will sag off him 10 feet to help on Giannis which will hinder the effectiveness of our best player. Or worse, MCW will run the offense which takes the ball out of Giannis' hands. MCW is not a trade asset on any contract because other teams don't want him.

[drone3]

The only hope for MCW is that Pop picks him up and magically turns him into Danny Green

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[Magic Giannison]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nba-haters-ball/?addata=espn:nba:index&sf92847535=1&sf93108971=1

Wow , Wiggins was indeed bad defender.

[emunney]

We've all heard the RPM argument a million times with Rubio, because it's pretty much the only metric that conveniently paints him as this offensive maestro that the team would be completely lost without. Or you know, it could just be that the T-Wolves backup PG's over the last 4 seasons have been a combination of Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn, old ass JJ Barea, 38 year old Andre Miller, and other assorted garbage?

Going by the on/off splits btw, the T-Wolves were by far playing their best with Tyus Jones on the floor (+3.8), not Rubio (+0.1), so take that for whatever you may.

Boy did we **** up not drafting Tyus Jones. The fact that he didn't even seem like an option for us is just unconscionable. Here we are two years later looking for someone who can facilitate and replacing Vaughn with a mid 2nd rounder. If only Jones had proved to be a really good player in every possible meaningful moment.

[Prince12]

I find it shocking that any bucks fan would suggest signing mcw after watching him for two years.

[Pachinko_]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nba-haters-ball/?addata=espn:nba:index&sf92847535=1&sf93108971=1

Wow , Wiggins was indeed bad defender.

I hate to say this be he looks just like Jabari