NBA - The Re-Open: - Connaughton has Covid-19, pg. 94

[midranger]

I don't understand why they're so dead set on Disney World when the season could be completed anywhere in the world.

Disney owning ESPN and ABC who own the majority(?. Certainly the finals.) of the NBA playoff TV contracts likely has something to do with it.

[paulpressey25]

Thabo opting out on a contender. Certainly doesn’t fit the “only guys on hopeless teams” narrative, but neither did Avery Bradley.

Career earnings $44.7 million.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sefolth01.html

[FlagsFlyForever]

Why would it be safer in Tokyo or Hawaii or anywhere else? Maybe if players were allowed to roam free but the bubble is going to be the safest place for players to be. All these players testing positive have gotten the virus outside the bubble. The whole point of all this testing right now is to catch it before they get to Orlando. I don't think the NBA is worried about this or surprised in any way. The worry will come if people start testing positive during play. That would mean somebody broke protocol.

Players and team staff are still going to come into contact with Disney employees. Those employees aren’t quarantined. The NBA’s plan is that contact won’t occur between those groups of people, but that plan will inevitably fall apart once this thing gets going.

That's the part I struggle with. It's difficult to get 1600 people to all follow the rules and it only takes one person to fraternize with a Disney employee to risk bringing the virus into the bubble. I expect people to test positive within the bubble. My hope is that the testing will catch them before they can spread it.

[Chuck Diesel]

Thabo opting out on a contender. Certainly doesn’t fit the “only guys on hopeless teams” narrative, but neither did Avery Bradley.

Career earnings $44.7 million.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sefolth01.html

So by this same logic it wouldn’t be surprising or worthwhile if everyone on the Bucks besides Connaughton, Donte, Thanasis, Wilson & the two way guys opted out.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Thabo opting out on a contender. Certainly doesn’t fit the “only guys on hopeless teams” narrative, but neither did Avery Bradley.

Career earnings $44.7 million.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sefolth01.html

So by this same logic it wouldn’t be surprising or worthwhile if everyone on the Bucks besides
Connaughton, Donte, Thanasis, Wilson & the two way guys opted out.

I actually think Connaughton would make the most sense to opt out on the Bucks. He's on a small contract and is a free agent this offseason so an injury could cost him a lot of money.

One of the common denominators we've seen is that players on small contracts are much more likely to opt out. Thabo, who has made $47 million in his career, is only losing out on between $222K and $388K by opting out and he's a free agent this offseason.

Williams and Korver are also opt out candidates being on small contracts and upcoming free agents, but neither will be getting a contract as big as Connaughton so an injury is less risky for them.

[paulpressey25]

Thabo opting out on a contender. Certainly doesn’t fit the “only guys on hopeless teams” narrative, but neither did Avery Bradley.

Career earnings $44.7 million.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sefolth01.html

So by this same logic it wouldn’t be surprising or worthwhile if everyone on the Bucks besides Connaughton, Donte, Thanasis, Wilson & the two way guys opted out.

Chuck, he’s been in the league 14 years. He’s 36 years old and averages 2.2 points per game for Houston. Props to him for making the call to pass. Makes total sense.

[Chuck Diesel]

Career earnings $44.7 million.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sefolth01.html

So by this same logic it wouldn’t be surprising or worthwhile if everyone on the Bucks besides Connaughton, Donte, Thanasis, Wilson & the two way guys opted out.

Chuck, he’s been in the league 14 years. He’s 36 years old and averages 2.2 points per game for Houston. Props to him for making the call to pass. Makes total sense.

You giving props to Wes Matthews, George Hill, Kyle Korver, Ersan & Marvin Williams too? First it was over $25 million career earnings AND on a non contender. Now it’s $25 million or a contender, depending on your points per game. Just trying to keep track.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

So by this same logic it wouldn’t be surprising or worthwhile if everyone on the Bucks besides Connaughton, Donte, Thanasis, Wilson & the two way guys opted out.

Chuck, he’s been in the league 14 years. He’s 36 years old and averages 2.2 points per game for Houston. Props to him for making the call to pass. Makes total sense.

You giving props to Wes Matthews, George Hill, Kyle Korver, Ersan & Marvin Williams too? First it was over $25 million career earnings AND on a non contender. Now it’s $25 million or a contender, depending on your points per game. Just trying to keep track.

Not sure what your point is. There are hundreds of players so of course there will be some that would opt out. Isn't it a good thing the nba is allowing this? Did I miss something about how it only works if every single player plays?

It's not a perfect solution but there never was going to be one. The vast majority of players, owners and fans seem ok with this plan.

[jakecronus8]

I’m finally at the point where I believe sports should just be canceled until we have an effective vaccine. These glorified exhibition seasons they’re moving forward with are pretty pointless, and the leagues are going to look even more foolish when this inevitably blows up in their faces. I agree with Lillard that the rules won’t be followed and once these guys start dropping like flies well be watching g-league basketball and minor league baseball. I hope I’m as wrong as wrong can be but I doubt it. My hope is that as dumb as it sounds, maybe once something as seemingly important to people but ultimately trivial as sports is taken away, perhaps Covid will finally be taken seriously. I am embarrassed for our nation in this moment.

[midranger]

I’m finally at the point where I believe sports should just be canceled until we have an effective vaccine. These glorified exhibition seasons they’re moving forward with are pretty pointless, and the leagues are going to look even more foolish when this inevitably blows up in their faces. I agree with Lillard that the rules won’t be followed and once these guys start dropping like flies well be watching g-league basketball and minor league baseball. I hope I’m as wrong as wrong can be but I doubt it. My hope is that as dumb as it sounds, maybe once something as seemingly important to people but ultimately trivial as sports is taken away, perhaps Covid will finally be taken seriously. I am embarrassed for our nation in this moment.

This is exactly how I feel about this whole thing. It will be a 5 month break since the last tip. The draft should have been held this week.A quarter of the teams aren’t even there. This isn’t really Even the same season. I do think that this thing is going to be a huge embarrassment for the league and will kill all sports, including any 2021 nba season for at least a year.

It’s hard to avoid contact with Disney employees when the amenity list includes multiple manicurists AND multiple pedicurists.

The whole thing seems like a farce to me while legitimizing people’s’ idiot belief that they shouldn’t be wearing a mask.

[StickeeFingaz]

I’m finally at the point where I believe sports should just be canceled until we have an effective vaccine. These glorified exhibition seasons they’re moving forward with are pretty pointless, and the leagues are going to look even more foolish when this inevitably blows up in their faces. I agree with Lillard that the rules won’t be followed and once these guys start dropping like flies well be watching g-league basketball and minor league baseball. I hope I’m as wrong as wrong can be but I doubt it. My hope is that as dumb as it sounds, maybe once something as seemingly important to people but ultimately trivial as sports is taken away, perhaps Covid will finally be taken seriously. I am embarrassed for our nation in this moment.

Taking sports away won't take the stupid away from stupid people, unfortunately.

[midranger]

Random corona note with implications: Chinese serologic study of 74 patients (50% asymptomatic) showed viral shedding an average of 19 days (interquartile range:15-26 days) and was longer in the asymptomatic population. Two weeks won’t be enough to test negative even if asymptomatic. More likely 3 weeks, which is at least a series and a half.

More off topic: Same study showed that IgG antibodies disappear in 8 weeks, which is REALLY bad news on the herd immunity/vaccine front.

[dbrodz7]

I’m finally at the point where I believe sports should just be canceled until we have an effective vaccine. These glorified exhibition seasons they’re moving forward with are pretty pointless, and the leagues are going to look even more foolish when this inevitably blows up in their faces. I agree with Lillard that the rules won’t be followed and once these guys start dropping like flies well be watching g-league basketball and minor league baseball. I hope I’m as wrong as wrong can be but I doubt it. My hope is that as dumb as it sounds, maybe once something as seemingly important to people but ultimately trivial as sports is taken away, perhaps Covid will finally be taken seriously. I am embarrassed for our nation in this moment.

Taking sports away won't take the stupid away from stupid people, unfortunately.

I think a lot of the people that think the virus is a joke are sports fans that think it can't affect younger healthy people so why should I care. They would take it much more seriously if someone like LeBron gets COVID and ends up hospitalized because of it.

[JayMKE]

Bread and circuses, taking sports away isn't going to make people behave like you want them to quite the opposite. Another year of being locked down with nothing to do while their livelihoods are being destroyed and this country is going to go full on Mad Max, what's been happening lately is a direct result of these shut down policies. What's the the true death rate? Is the flu worth destroying the world, is a doubly bad flu worth it? So on and so on. Don't read into more positive cases as most of us knew there were there all along. Eventually this has to be accepted as the new reality and people will have to live or die with it, simple as that.

If they're able to do pro-wrestling(all of which is being filmed in Florida right now) then I think these fears about basketball in a much more secure bubble shouldn't cause so much gnashing of teeth. Normal people have to work, there isn't anything inherently special about pro athletes and if anything they're the ones best positioned to handle it. If this restart blows up in their face then so be it, I don't see what people are so afraid of.

[DingleJerry]

Agree with the overall point there (not with the just let people get it and die implication) that I don't see why they can't try if they want to. Pretty much every other job or workplace is trying to find a way through, just because sports is higher profile doesn't mean they can't either. If it blows up and they have to pull the plug so be it, but I don't see the huge controversy on trying. No player is being forced to do it. And this is likely the reality of the world for a couple more years, so finding a way to make things work is going to be needed. And I won't blame them if the literal first attempt at it doesn't quite work, you can learn and tweak it for next time.

Hindsight, maybe they should've been planning two sites to have a backup. At the beginning of the planning FL was opening and not bad, and Disney owns abc, it made sense. But maybe they should've had a more isolated place as a backup. I don't know, maybe there is a place in like Montana/North Dakota with two gyms that could accommodate. Hotels in these more rural spots are the struggle though.

[drdrG]

Random corona note with implications: Chinese serologic study of 74 patients (50% asymptomatic) showed viral shedding an average of 19 days (interquartile range:15-26 days) and was longer in the asymptomatic population. Two weeks won’t be enough to test negative even if asymptomatic. More likely 3 weeks, which is at least a series and a half.

More off topic: Same study showed that IgG antibodies disappear in 8 weeks, which is REALLY bad news on the herd immunity/vaccine front.

This isn't a completely accurate description of this paper. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0965-6 Over the same time period, neutralizing serum antibodies also decreased but within a range of 0.5-22.8% (asymptomatic) or 2.3-41.1% (symptomatic). It's hard to say how representative their pseudovirus neutralization assay is but these levels would suggest that there is still some immunity at that time point. A non-negligible fraction of patients, both asymptomatic and symptomatic infected individuals were IgG seronegative 8 weeks after disease onset which is very concerning from a population immunity perspective and requires further investigation.

[mcfromage]

Random corona note with implications: Chinese serologic study of 74 patients (50% asymptomatic) showed viral shedding an average of 19 days (interquartile range:15-26 days) and was longer in the asymptomatic population. Two weeks won’t be enough to test negative even if asymptomatic. More likely 3 weeks, which is at least a series and a half.

More off topic: Same study showed that IgG antibodies disappear in 8 weeks, which is REALLY bad news on the herd immunity/vaccine front.

How does that square with this Swedish study that showed herd immunity being much higher than anticipated?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/30/around-third-no-coronavirus-symptoms-may-have-developed-immunity/

[MickeyDavis]

Anyone can find a study to prove or disprove a point of view. The bottom line is there is a lot more that we don't know about this than we do know. And it changes every day.

[jakecronus8]

BIf they're able to do pro-wrestling(all of which is being filmed in Florida right now) then I think these fears about basketball in a much more secure bubble shouldn't cause so much gnashing of teeth. Normal people have to work, there isn't anything inherently special about pro athletes and if anything they're the ones best positioned to handle it. If this restart blows up in their face then so be it, I don't see what people are so afraid of.

Wwe is in the midst of an outbreak despite them doing their alleged best to control it. Wrestling should not be the case study if you’re in favor of moving forward with pro sports. Vince McMahon is about as reliable as trustworthy as the Chinese government.

[ReasonablySober]

BIf they're able to do pro-wrestling(all of which is being filmed in Florida right now) then I think these fears about basketball in a much more secure bubble shouldn't cause so much gnashing of teeth. Normal people have to work, there isn't anything inherently special about pro athletes and if anything they're the ones best positioned to handle it. If this restart blows up in their face then so be it, I don't see what people are so afraid of.

Wwe is in the midst of an outbreak despite them doing their alleged best to control it. Wrestling should not be the case study if you’re in favor of moving forward with pro sports. Vince McMahon is about as reliable as trustworthy as the Chinese government.

WWE wasn't actually testing. They were doing temperature checks. It's a reason they're so screwed right now.