Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Nwora in protocols

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I wish we knew the extent of Lopez's injury and if the Bucks planned on applying for a DPE or not.

Lowe on his podcast said his sources were confident Lopez would be back in the regular season but who knows.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

we made an offer to pj didnt we anyway? or are the guys advocating we should have kept him suggesting that we didnt?

my understanding is we bailed on a bidding war with a desperate team in warm sunny miami who was offering a starting spot on a player we may have been on the fence that we even wanted period.

whose to say what went down in negotiations. maybe we were expected to beat miamis offer and we just pulled our initial offer and hung up the phone. have we even heard those details? to me that sounds like the most obvious scenario

if the deal was pj expected a bidding war with miami then goddam i love how we handled it

It was suggested that PJ was insulted by our initial offer but it was also suggested that the insult could've been due to how long it took for the Bucks to initiate contact about a new deal.

ok.. so practically we can assume maybe it goes down like this.....

so we fish the league make a bunch of phone calls. see whose desperate to play here cheap and see what happens with bobby. go thru the draft process.
we line up hill, lock in bobby, bring in allen, hood, semi
eventually at some point we MAKE AN OFFER to tucker FOR WHAT HE IS ACTUALLY WORTH.
desperate, sunny miami offers 2/14 gauranteed and a starting position
were expected to beat that.
we say no thanks.

am i missing something here?

[skones]

I guess I live in an alternate reality where 14 million over two years is a lot of money in the NBA.

Guess so, because it's not just 14 million in reality.

[skones]

"I refuse to update my priors" is close friends with "I'm emotionally invested in my initial conclusions" and together they make conversations like this insufferable. If you think PJ doesn't deserve a roster spot for X basketball reason/s, alright, I disagree with you, but we're having a conversation. If you have some special knowledge about how the team could not afford him because the financials are secretly on fire, please tell me more, because this is important information! But for god's sake (any god will suffice), stop with the "he wasn't worth the money" garbage. We either brought him back, or we didn't, and it didn't impact any other move we made outside of the aforementioned roster spots (15 of those).

Again, if you think he didn't deserve one of those 15 spots regardless of the money, okay, I understand your argument. If you don't understand that due to how the NBA does salary, our options were PJ for "a wide range of not-my-dollars" or not PJ, and that the money didn't impact other moves now, or tomorrow, now you know. If you legitimately think it's reasonable for the ownership group to have pocketed the money because it's their team, and dagnabbit, that's what capitalism is all about...bless your heart.

This is false though. Whether we like it or not, these decisions are not made by management in a vacuum. You have ZERO way of knowing thus have zero basis in claiming that not bringing PJ back played a part in signing Grayson to an extension.

Like it or not, these decisions are made with money in mind. This is about value proposition. This "it's not YOUR money! who cares!" just flat out ignores the way this works. What's the point of bitching and moaning and seriously discussing this if anyone's going to sit here and act like this is a fantasy land? It's not.

Psst, discussing real world scenarios with real world viewpoints in mind isn't "carrying water." It's just not being ignorant to factors at play.

[midranger]

Highly unlikely but just for fun let's imagine David Aldridge's source is right about John Wall seriously considering Milwaukee if he were to be bought out:

One general manager volunteered the Kyrie Irving-less Nets, in a reserve role behind James Harden, or the Bucks as viable destinations.

https://theathletic.com/2991225/2021/12/03/for-john-wall-to-get-back-in-the-game-he-needs-to-play-whatever-the-role-and-pick-a-rose/

If the Bucks had a DPE that would make it easier for Wall to offer Houston money back without sacrificing much at all from his paycheck.

Blake Griffin gave back $13.3 million in his buyout with the Pistons for a comparison point.

If the Bucks could offer Wall around $6.5 million this year he might feel fine about giving up that amount over the next 2 years since he'd be on track to earning it back after he signs a deal in the offseason, presumably for at least another $6.5 million if not significantly more (especially if he plays well for the Bucks).

In turn, if the Bucks were somehow able to pull John Wall, that would then make it dramatically easier for us to deal Donte if a deal presents itself.

I’d be really interested to see if Wall could reinvent his game a bit like Rose has done off the bench in NYC.

[Baddy Chuck]

I’d be really interested to see if Wall could reinvent his game a bit like Rose has done off the bench in NYC.

Kinda want to see him become more Super Playoff Rondo.

[Matches Malone]

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[LedZepp007]

I see you Donte


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[StickeeFingaz]

PP gotta eat some crow on that one.

[skones]

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[WRau1]

we made an offer to pj didnt we anyway? or are the guys advocating we should have kept him suggesting that we didnt?

my understanding is we bailed on a bidding war with a desperate team in warm sunny miami who was offering a starting spot on a player we may have been on the fence that we even wanted period.

whose to say what went down in negotiations. maybe we were expected to beat miamis offer and we just pulled our initial offer and hung up the phone. have we even heard those details? to me that sounds like the most obvious scenario

if the deal was pj expected a bidding war with miami then goddam i love how we handled it

It was suggested that PJ was insulted by our initial offer but it was also suggested that the insult could've been due to how long it took for the Bucks to initiate contact about a new deal.

ok.. so practically we can assume maybe it goes down like this.....

so we fish the league make a bunch of phone calls. see whose desperate to play here cheap and see what happens with bobby. go thru the draft process.
we line up hill, lock in bobby, bring in allen, hood, semi
eventually at some point we MAKE AN OFFER to tucker FOR WHAT HE IS ACTUALLY WORTH.
desperate, sunny miami offers 2/14 gauranteed and a starting position
were expected to beat that.
we say no thanks.

am i missing something here?

Sounds plausible. Miami also offered Bobby a contract but we know how that ended up going.

[GoldenAntlers]

Donte!

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I want to highlight GoS as someone I often disagree with, but who I think operates in good faith, has a solid process, and is willing to update beliefs. This isn't a passive-aggressive observation, I just want to boost good posting.

wow man thanks! huge compliment. im kinda of emotional and can roller coaster more than others. i think of myself as a useful bench player around here

[glenn]

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I was ready for awful news after reading the first line lol

[emunney]

"I refuse to update my priors" is close friends with "I'm emotionally invested in my initial conclusions" and together they make conversations like this insufferable. If you think PJ doesn't deserve a roster spot for X basketball reason/s, alright, I disagree with you, but we're having a conversation. If you have some special knowledge about how the team could not afford him because the financials are secretly on fire, please tell me more, because this is important information! But for god's sake (any god will suffice), stop with the "he wasn't worth the money" garbage. We either brought him back, or we didn't, and it didn't impact any other move we made outside of the aforementioned roster spots (15 of those).

Again, if you think he didn't deserve one of those 15 spots regardless of the money, okay, I understand your argument. If you don't understand that due to how the NBA does salary, our options were PJ for "a wide range of not-my-dollars" or not PJ, and that the money didn't impact other moves now, or tomorrow, now you know. If you legitimately think it's reasonable for the ownership group to have pocketed the money because it's their team, and dagnabbit, that's what capitalism is all about...bless your heart.

This is false though. Whether we like it or not, these decisions are not made by management in a vacuum. You have ZERO way of knowing thus have zero basis in claiming that not bringing PJ back played a part in signing Grayson to an extension.

Like it or not, these decisions are made with money in mind. This is about value proposition. This "it's not YOUR money! who cares!" just flat out ignores the way this works. What's the point of bitching and moaning and seriously discussing this if anyone's going to sit here and act like this is a fantasy land? It's not.

Psst, discussing real world scenarios with real world viewpoints in mind isn't "carrying water." It's just not being ignorant to factors at play.

Reasonable as a defense of Horst operating within constraints. Not reasonable (circular argument) as a defense of ownership determining the constraints.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

ive referenced this point but can we all agree that the #1 determining factor about where buyout candidate guys go is where theres oppurtunity? guys like portis and cousins wes etc etc who are trying to reclaim their careers this is perhaps even a bigger determining factor?

i know of the guys who are willing to basically play for free they all want rings but the only thing they want more than rings is playing time on a team that has a shot at a ring.

i think bringing pj back there was maybe a discussion of role in the equation too. it seems really really interesting to me hes starting in miami and even his biggest fans here think of him more along the lines of 8-10 man or even a break glass kind of guy

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

"I refuse to update my priors" is close friends with "I'm emotionally invested in my initial conclusions" and together they make conversations like this insufferable. If you think PJ doesn't deserve a roster spot for X basketball reason/s, alright, I disagree with you, but we're having a conversation. If you have some special knowledge about how the team could not afford him because the financials are secretly on fire, please tell me more, because this is important information! But for god's sake (any god will suffice), stop with the "he wasn't worth the money" garbage. We either brought him back, or we didn't, and it didn't impact any other move we made outside of the aforementioned roster spots (15 of those).

Again, if you think he didn't deserve one of those 15 spots regardless of the money, okay, I understand your argument. If you don't understand that due to how the NBA does salary, our options were PJ for "a wide range of not-my-dollars" or not PJ, and that the money didn't impact other moves now, or tomorrow, now you know. If you legitimately think it's reasonable for the ownership group to have pocketed the money because it's their team, and dagnabbit, that's what capitalism is all about...bless your heart.

This is false though. Whether we like it or not, these decisions are not made by management in a vacuum. You have ZERO way of knowing thus have zero basis in claiming that not bringing PJ back played a part in signing Grayson to an extension.

Like it or not, these decisions are made with money in mind. This is about value proposition. This "it's not YOUR money! who cares!" just flat out ignores the way this works. What's the point of bitching and moaning and seriously discussing this if anyone's going to sit here and act like this is a fantasy land? It's not.

Psst, discussing real world scenarios with real world viewpoints in mind isn't "carrying water." It's just not being ignorant to factors at play.

Reasonable as a defense of Horst operating within constraints. Not reasonable (circular argument) as a defense of ownership determining the constraints.

what about bud? maybe bud wanted somebody better and preferred not retaining on a multi year contract a guy like tucker who publically and maybe even privately told him to go take a backseat as a coach in the middle of our playoff run?

i think its very possible bud had a say too. i doubt he wanted to be the assistant coach anymore the way this last year went down.

[ReasonablySober]

Hell yea, great news about Donte.

[MickeyDavis]

Nwora also assigned. His doghouse is now in Oshkosh

[H2tObes]

Jrue, Donte, Hill, and Wes. Pretty insane defense from the guard position I'd say.