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Post#1281 » by PG Graveyard » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:19 pm

I still don’t understand the Gary Harris signing…especially if we ended up with Beal. I think they may move Green. That’s my gut feeling. Hope it’s for the right guy if they do.
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Post#1282 » by PG Graveyard » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:20 pm

Put me in the Rollins over CP at this point. I don’t want CP starting either. That makes no sense
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Post#1283 » by mcfromage » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:50 pm

PG Graveyard wrote:I still don’t understand the Gary Harris signing…especially if we ended up with Beal. I think they may move Green. That’s my gut feeling. Hope it’s for the right guy if they do.


Harris signing was baffling, agree.
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Post#1284 » by JayMKE » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:51 pm

You're asking too much from vet min signings if you think you're going to find someone better than CP3 and if he's a dick you just cut him. I like Ryan Rollins as much as the next guy but him & KPJ or just KPJ being our only PG I don't think will cut it.

Beal is not a max player but he is better than vet min for sure, I have a hard time seeing him anywhere besides Miami.

I think the Bucks should kick the tires on Ben Simmons too, I wonder what kind of contract he is even looking for? Knicks are looking at him. Can't shoot but he'd be worth it as a wing defender, he can move the ball around and maybe playing with Giannis would toughen him up a bit.
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Post#1285 » by pifhluk23 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:58 pm

JayMKE wrote:You're asking too much from vet min signings if you think you're going to find someone better than CP3 and if he's a dick you just cut him. I like Ryan Rollins as much as the next guy but him & KPJ or just KPJ being our only PG I don't think will cut it.


Why not? With Giannis moving back to point Giannis KPJ and Rollins should be enough for PG. Sign CP3 and you'll get 25-30mpg of watching him pound the ball while Giannis isn't included. And on the other end you get to watch every player in the league blow right by him. And then when we get to the playoffs everyone will be having a heart attack as Doc continues to start him while hes completely unplayable.

I think this is my 4th please God no cp3 post so I'll stop now.
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Post#1286 » by PG Graveyard » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:18 pm

Didn’t realize CP played all 82 games last year. How is that possible?
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Post#1287 » by CharityStripe34 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:18 pm

JayMKE wrote:You're asking too much from vet min signings if you think you're going to find someone better than CP3 and if he's a dick you just cut him. I like Ryan Rollins as much as the next guy but him & KPJ or just KPJ being our only PG I don't think will cut it.

Beal is not a max player but he is better than vet min for sure, I have a hard time seeing him anywhere besides Miami.

I think the Bucks should kick the tires on Ben Simmons too, I wonder what kind of contract he is even looking for? Knicks are looking at him. Can't shoot but he'd be worth it as a wing defender, he can move the ball around and maybe playing with Giannis would toughen him up a bit.
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Post#1289 » by machu46 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:39 pm

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WiscoKing13 wrote:I know we have a lot of room with the luxury tax but what do we have to use besides vet mins?
Just looked at Marks Twitter we have the room exception and Miami has full MLE.

Seems like an uphill climb and I don't think anyone on the Bucks roster has any significant ties to Beal.
The Athletic folks said we used the room exception on Porter and Trent, so we should be down to minimums at this point I think?

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Post#1290 » by BigO » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:46 pm

JayMKE wrote:You're asking too much from vet min signings if yo u think you're going to find someone better than CP3 and if he's a dick you just cut him. I like Ryan Rollins as much as the next guy but him & KPJ or just KPJ being our only PG I don't think will cut it.

Beal is not a max player but he is better than vet min for sure, I have a hard time seeing him anywhere besides Miami.

I think the Bucks should kick the tires on Ben Simmons too, I wonder what kind of contract he is even looking for? Knicks are looking at him. Can't shoot but he'd be worth it as a wing defender, he can move the ball around and maybe playing with Giannis would toughen him up a bit.



After all the criticism of Dame's defense, we're going to sign a guy that makes Dame look like Caruso? CP3 still knows how to play point guard, but he gives up just as much at the other end.

I understand the dilemma of not having a point guard, except for Giannis. But if CP3 is playing, then you have to guarantee me that Prince is not on the court and that Kuzma is solidified on the bench.
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Post#1291 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:53 pm

mcfromage wrote:
PG Graveyard wrote:I still don’t understand the Gary Harris signing…especially if we ended up with Beal. I think they may move Green. That’s my gut feeling. Hope it’s for the right guy if they do.


Harris signing was baffling, agree.


It was for me too, until I realized he shares the same agent as Myles Turner. A necessity i guess.
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Post#1292 » by PG Graveyard » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:08 pm

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mcfromage wrote:
PG Graveyard wrote:I still don’t understand the Gary Harris signing…especially if we ended up with Beal. I think they may move Green. That’s my gut feeling. Hope it’s for the right guy if they do.


Harris signing was baffling, agree.


It was for me too, until I realized he shares the same agent as Myles Turner. A necessity i guess.


That makes sense since it happened almost immediately after the Turner signing. It’s not really bad in a vacuum but we have a lot of 6’4 2 guards who play similar now
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Post#1293 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:11 pm

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JayMKE wrote:You're asking too much from vet min signings if yo u think you're going to find someone better than CP3 and if he's a dick you just cut him. I like Ryan Rollins as much as the next guy but him & KPJ or just KPJ being our only PG I don't think will cut it.

Beal is not a max player but he is better than vet min for sure, I have a hard time seeing him anywhere besides Miami.

I think the Bucks should kick the tires on Ben Simmons too, I wonder what kind of contract he is even looking for? Knicks are looking at him. Can't shoot but he'd be worth it as a wing defender, he can move the ball around and maybe playing with Giannis would toughen him up a bit.



After all the criticism of Dame's defense, we're going to sign a guy that makes Dame look like Caruso? CP3 still knows how to play point guard, but he gives up just as much at the other end.

I understand the dilemma of not having a point guard, except for Giannis. But if CP3 is playing, then you have to guarantee me that Prince is not on the court and that Kuzma is solidified on the bench.


Yeah, come playoff time, Paul gets ruthlessly targeted. When we won the ship, we manipulated him to the corner and ran pick and rolls that he was helpless to help against again and again
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Post#1294 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:13 pm

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Harris signing was baffling, agree.


It was for me too, until I realized he shares the same agent as Myles Turner. A necessity i guess.


That makes sense since it happened almost immediately after the Turner signing. It’s not really bad in a vacuum but we have a lot of 6’4 2 guards who play similar now



We've waived agent favors before. I doubt Harris is here come playoff time.
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Post#1295 » by BigO » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:22 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:
It was for me too, until I realized he shares the same agent as Myles Turner. A necessity i guess.


That makes sense since it happened almost immediately after the Turner signing. It’s not really bad in a vacuum but we have a lot of 6’4 2 guards who play similar now



We've waived agent favors before. I doubt Harris is here come playoff time.


The two year contract for Harris is the questionable part. He may still be a decent defensive player, but committing to two years for him doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Post#1296 » by raferfenix » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:32 pm

Now that the Bucks have been linked to Kuminga (if only tepidly), how buy-low would we need him to be to be interested?

The Golden State Warriors, according to league sources, have been searching for a promising young player plus a first-round pick in return for Kuminga, should they ultimately choose to part with him in a sign-and-trade scenario. They extended the $7.9 million qualifying offer to the 22-year-old wing and maintain the ability to match any contract he signs.

That gives them a level of leverage in a market devoid of significant cap space. They’ve drawn inbound calls in recent days, most notably from the Sacramento Kings, who floated an offer of Devin Carter, Dario Šarić and two second-round picks, league sources said. The Warriors have so far balked at what they felt was a buy-low attempt, league sources said.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6472793/2025/07/03/jonathan-kuminga-warriors-free-agency-latest/
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Post#1297 » by skbucks1985 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:34 pm

I doubt the Bucks get Beal, even though Beal will get a handed a check or see an immediate deposit of 90+ million after he agrees to the buyout or gets waived outright, I still think if one team can offer him the MLE and one can only offer the minimum that he'll go to the team that can offer the MLE.

I'd be elated (chose that word very intentionally) to get Beal. As bad as last year was for him, if the Bucks got that level of production from their starting SG I think that would be a success. And between Miami, the Lakers and Bucks, I think the Bucks are the best basketball option. The Lakers is the same problem as last year but worse because Lebron and Luka are more ball dominant than KD and Booker and then you throw in Reaves as well (although he'd probably get moved). Miami's a weird fit because there's so much overlap between him and Herro and the Heat are not good enough for him to be a needle mover in a real way.
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Post#1298 » by jimmybones » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:34 pm

Honestly dude just go the ‘put the ball in Giannis hands and surround him with shooters and guys that can defend a bit route’ while seeing what becomes available down the line. Play Kuzma as a backup 4 and see if you can rehab his value a bit- or even get a useful backup out of him- you need to play 8-10 guys anyways.

KPJ/Rollins
Trent
Green/Prince
Giannis/Kuzma
Turner/Bobby

That lineup was good with Bobby and Turner is a better two way version of Bobby.

Give KPJ a real shot to emerge.

Play Trent, Green, Rollins more and Prince/Kuz less, especially together or out of position.

Sims, Harris, Ajax, Smith, Sears will all have opportunities to fill in.

Just play the right dudes in the right positions to succeed and we’re pretty fun as is while being patient for the right upgrade to emerge.

Kuz salary plus 31 is our all in move but it doesn’t have to happen today. See how that unit looks together with extended time and make Kuzma look like an NBA player and make the move when the right one is there.
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Post#1299 » by Bernman » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:07 pm

No to Kuminga. We'd have to invest $ and assets, while he may muck up our synergy. We ought to have a chance to prove that game 5 starting lineup w/ Turner over Bobby sometimes is elite over time, like it was last year in a smaller sample.

No to CP3. We'd be compelled to start him & don't necessarily need another pg than KPJ & Rollins. I guess I wouldn't hate it cuz he'd be a 1 yr guy presumably, low cost, maybe bring needed leadership. But it better not be at the expense of Rollins.

The Beal thing I'm kind of into, so long as it's the straight 1 yr vet min (no Horst special PO). We could use another 2nd option, option, in addition to KPJ. And he could be cut if it's not working out. We need the flexibility for next offseason & this trade deadline for the final big move(s).
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Post#1300 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:34 pm

raferfenix wrote:Now that the Bucks have been linked to Kuminga (if only tepidly), how buy-low would we need him to be to be interested?

The Golden State Warriors, according to league sources, have been searching for a promising young player plus a first-round pick in return for Kuminga, should they ultimately choose to part with him in a sign-and-trade scenario. They extended the $7.9 million qualifying offer to the 22-year-old wing and maintain the ability to match any contract he signs.

That gives them a level of leverage in a market devoid of significant cap space. They’ve drawn inbound calls in recent days, most notably from the Sacramento Kings, who floated an offer of Devin Carter, Dario Šarić and two second-round picks, league sources said. The Warriors have so far balked at what they felt was a buy-low attempt, league sources said.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6472793/2025/07/03/jonathan-kuminga-warriors-free-agency-latest/


The Warriors have had past interest in Kuzma, but there would need to be serious cap logistics to that. It would be dumb from the Warriors end, but Dunleavey is part of the worst GM family in basketball

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