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[German Athens]

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I think they basically need to do the Suns/Utah thing where we turn the 31 1st into 3 first rounders. Even if that and getting under the 2nd apron was all we did it would be a successful deadline. Gives us WAY more flexibility going into next year,

That would help a ton.

Do Khris, Pat, 1st and a 2nd for BI and a 2nd. (In a three team deal)

We would be below the 2nd apron, and still have a 1st or two to attach to Bobby, Brook, and Marjon to continue reshaping the roster.


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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

horst brought a championship to this town and has been more right than wrong. if your hot take is that hes the problem with this team then i dont know what to tell you.

all gms have warts over a 10 year career. but personally i think weve been very blessed with his work overall

Giannis is who brought a championship to Milwaukee. Horst had nothing to do with him or Middleton. Praise to John Hammond.


It’s been one debacle after another here for years now, no more excuses.

giannis.... AND KHRIS.... hadnt won **** before horst arrived and built what became the best regular season team in the league and an eventual champion. a fabulous team with a fabulous culture and the greatest experience as bucks fans in my lifetime.

if it was solely giannis doing the winning then why arent you bitching about HIM now.

so no idea what youre talking about here man. weve been generally amazing for a small market over his tenure.

[Ron Swanson]

I still don't give a **** about the Crowder and Mirotic deals not working out. They were 2nd rounders. Who cares? Dude literally bought the 2nd round pick that netted Andre the very next offseason for cash.

I care way more about Horst not finding a legitimate rotation guy or not just straight up trading the 1st round picks that he whiffed on. That, not paying PJ which snow-balled into us trading Donte for the corpse of Serge, and him refusing to tweak/re-calibrate the roster in the 16-months since the Dame trade are his greatest sins. Yeah yeah, "it takes two to tango" and all that. But he absolutely can't sit on his hands this deadline or just pay to dump Pat's contract and that's it. Have a vision for something other than paying a premium for the lowest hanging-fruit type players/assets.

[EasyE31]

Horst could have done a lot of things better on the margin but I'll never complain about him because he's had the team on "all in" mode for all of Giannis' prime. No one will ever be able to say he didn't have all his chips on the table through this run. I think thats basically all we can ask for (especially as Packers/Brewers fans who will never do that).

[buckboy]

Lakers want a big

Lak: Lopez
Det: Vanderbilt
Bucks: Reaves and Beasley

Then do another trade for a big.


Also Lakers could just trade for KD. Hach, Finny, Kleuber and Reaves works.

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I doubt they want Brook that bad.

[LUKE23]

giannis.... AND KHRIS.... hadnt won **** before horst arrived and built what became the best regular season team in the league and an eventual champion.

if it was giannis doing the winning then why arent you bitching about HIM now.

so no idea what youre talking about here man. weve been generally amazing for a small market over his tenure.

Because we have had a top 1-3 player his entire tenure. You are supposed to contend with that. He's had some solid moves. Jrue and Dame were good trades but we did empty the asset chest for both. He has absolutely SUCKED ASS in the draft, and that's one thing you need to do well in a small market to keep the window maximized. DDV for Ibaka trade was terrible.

He's been really bad at adding long-term rotational youth to this roster, and we are seeing the ramifications of that right now.

Also, GA was 22 when Horst arrived. Of course he hadn't won a title yet. Christ.

[buckboy]

horst brought a championship to this town and has been more right than wrong. if your hot take is that hes the problem with this team then i dont know what to tell you.

all gms have warts over a 10 year career. but personally i think weve been very blessed with his work overall

Giannis is who brought a championship to Milwaukee. Horst had nothing to do with him or Middleton. Praise to John Hammond.


It’s been one debacle after another here for years now, no more excuses.

It's been a while since I've seen the praise Hammond stupidity.

One of the dumbest tropes in the history of this board. And that is REALLY saying something.

[Gianstoppable]

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I think they basically need to do the Suns/Utah thing where we turn the 31 1st into 3 first rounders. Even if that and getting under the 2nd apron was all we did it would be a successful deadline. Gives us WAY more flexibility going into next year,

This move I could get behind as long as we go this route shipping Bobby out would be great, just to find someone we can have a little longer term or the flexibility alone. Bobby is a valuable piece here so we don't need to dump him, only if we get adequate value. Same with Brook

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I still don't give a **** about the Crowder and Mirotic deals not working out. They were 2nd rounders. Who cares? Dude literally bought the 2nd round pick that netted Andre the very next offseason for cash.

I care way more about Horst not finding a legitimate rotation guy or instead just straight up trading the 1st round picks that he whiffed on. That, not paying PJ which snow-balled into us trading Donte for the corpse of Serge, and him refusing to tweak/re-calibrate the roster in the 16-months since the Dame trade are his greatest sins. Yeah yeah, "it takes two to tango" and all that. But he absolutely can't sit on his hands this deadline or just pay to dump Pat's contract and that's it. Have a vision for something other than paying a premium for the lowest hanging-fruit type players/assets.

hes been flat the last couple years with moves that backfired but would have been perceived as big scary swings. the pj move is the obvious one

the serge trade was his worst transgression. some of his picks have been dubious sure.... but not sure i should be picking at him much considering his draft positions. nwora, sandro, merrill.... alot of his guys are hanging around the league drafted out of positions guys usually dont stick so there is that too

[soxperry]

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I think they basically need to do the Suns/Utah thing where we turn the 31 1st into 3 first rounders. Even if that and getting under the 2nd apron was all we did it would be a successful deadline. Gives us WAY more flexibility going into next year,

It really depends on what the available deals are right now. If there's a tanking team out there who has a good young player (like Cam Johnson or Keegan Murray if the Kings blow it up further), they may prefer that 31 1st unprotected to a couple late 1sts.

[buckboy]

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I think they basically need to do the Suns/Utah thing where we turn the 31 1st into 3 first rounders. Even if that and getting under the 2nd apron was all we did it would be a successful deadline. Gives us WAY more flexibility going into next year,

As long as it's not the garbage firsts Phoenix got, I'm on board. Firsts that involve one team please.

[soxperry]

makes perfect sense why nothing has happened for us yet, though. if teams are willing to give multiple 1sts for that 31 1st, it opens up a lot of different possibilities and we are correctly doing full due diligence on the entire spectrum. for that reason, i choose to believe the Kuzma rumor but not that it was us sending Khris and a pick to Washington for him. But that it's part of something bigger.

[MickeyDavis]

The dork ass is for digging thru my posts like that’s some sort of gotcha dude, I post on RealGM as opposed to being a real GM. I have over 28k posts over 15 years, I am not digging thru my own posts to figure or what sort of context things I said years ago let alone doing that or even having recollection of wtf you guys think. It is immature to attack the poster instead of what they’re saying if you disagree with it, I simply respond in kind.

Yes, absolutely real GMs are supposed to anticipate the future better than fans, I’d trust almost of you more than I would Horst. His draft picks, his trades, he sucks ass. “You couldn’t do better” isn’t a defense, it’s just dumb. Get an actual basketball person in charge of this franchise.

Yup, everyone has hot takes, or regular takes, that we can comb through that turn out to be wrong. Some very wrong. We all do it.

FTR, I hated the Kidd hire from the get-go.

Me too. I was a Larry Drew backer all the way.

[Iheartfootball]

giannis.... AND KHRIS.... hadnt won **** before horst arrived and built what became the best regular season team in the league and an eventual champion.

if it was giannis doing the winning then why arent you bitching about HIM now.

so no idea what youre talking about here man. weve been generally amazing for a small market over his tenure.

Because we have had a top 1-3 player his entire tenure. You are supposed to contend with that. He's had some solid moves. Jrue and Dame were good trades but we did empty the asset chest for both. He has absolutely SUCKED ASS in the draft, and that's one thing you need to do well in a small market to keep the window maximized. DDV for Ibaka trade was terrible.

He's been really bad at adding long-term rotational youth to this roster, and we are seeing the ramifications of that right now.

Also, GA was 22 when Horst arrived. Of course he hadn't won a title yet. Christ.

Additionally, the impact of Bud, which was crucial in establishing a winning culture here, hasn’t been fully acknowledged. I'm also confident that he played a key role in selecting the players he wanted.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

giannis.... AND KHRIS.... hadnt won **** before horst arrived and built what became the best regular season team in the league and an eventual champion.

if it was giannis doing the winning then why arent you bitching about HIM now.

so no idea what youre talking about here man. weve been generally amazing for a small market over his tenure.

Because we have had a top 1-3 player his entire tenure. You are supposed to contend with that. He's had some solid moves. Jrue and Dame were good trades but we did empty the asset chest for both. He has absolutely SUCKED ASS in the draft, and that's one thing you need to do well in a small market to keep the window maximized. DDV for Ibaka trade was terrible.

He's been really bad at adding long-term rotational youth to this roster, and we are seeing the ramifications of that right now.

Also, GA was 22 when Horst arrived. Of course he hadn't won a title yet. Christ.

he hasnt sucked ass in the draft imo. he just hasnt had the big win

[MickeyDavis]

The '31 pick for multiple firsts.... maybe. Obviously you can't predict where future firsts end up. But teams like OKC and Houston will be good for awhile and we need to avoid obvious late round picks if possible. And NO protected picks. Of course if we are flipping them that changes it somewhat. But if we're receiving more than one FRP I'd like to keep one for ourselves.

[JayMKE]

It’s a what have you done for me lately business and somewhere along the line I lost confidence in Horst, I’d rather not him targeting players to trade or draft and I find the current state of the team perilous. I agree the team should be a perennial contender with Giannis but it has been horribly mismanaged. It makes me angry that the narrative is that the team has been so mismanaged that Giannis may want to leave.

[BigO]

Horst could have done a lot of things better on the margin but I'll never complain about him because he's had the team on "all in" mode for all of Giannis' prime. No one will ever be able to say he didn't have all his chips on the table through this run. I think thats basically all we can ask for (especially as Packers/Brewers fans who will never do that).

If Horst was all bad or all good, this discussion wouldn't exist. Yes, that doormat Hammond was responsible for the two biggest moves that resulted in a championship. He should have a statue built just for those two unbelievable moves.

But Horst did get BP and Lopez, two other huge contributors. Plus, he took risks to keep winning. I didn't hear a ton of cryng over the move for Dame or many of his other moves.

I am still on board for trying to win this year and then tear it down. It makes no sense to get guys like Kuzma if you're trying to win this year.

[LUKE23]

he hasnt sucked ass in the draft imo. he just hasnt had the big win

Please tell me you are joking.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/draft.html

We have ZERO rotation players on this roster currently that were taken first round over EIGHT drafts. Even with the trades we made, that is amazingly terrible.

[soxperry]

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I think they basically need to do the Suns/Utah thing where we turn the 31 1st into 3 first rounders. Even if that and getting under the 2nd apron was all we did it would be a successful deadline. Gives us WAY more flexibility going into next year,

As long as it's not the garbage firsts Phoenix got, I'm on board. Firsts that involve one team please.

on one hand, that's delusional thinking since the Phoenix trade literally sets the bar for what we can expect if we trade an extremely similar pick. on the other hand, we will not be dealing with Danny Ainge... looking back, i find it hard to believe that Ainge offered them the best possible deal for that pick. the world where your comment is not delusional is one in which the Suns were having general discussions with the Jazz and it was Ainge who came up with the three for one scenario and then sealed the deal before it could be shopped too much. So now you have other teams that saw that trade and they would also like to get in on this unprotected 31 1st action. Perhaps there's now some competition that didn't exist before.