Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[Turk Nowitzki]

Ilyasova just needs to go. I can't think of any reason to keep him on a team that should be rebuilding with youth.

I might have to change my screen name. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT!?!

Didn't occur to me...

[Frank Nova]

I read ur posts all the time and respect ur views and opinions so I think we are better off just agreeing to disagree on the subject. Maybe I'm over valuing good/great coaching or maybe ur under valuing it. But having said that, maybe my expectations of Knight are unrealistic but truthfully I blame a lot of his short comings on terrible coaching. I think Smart will be able to guard most SGs so defensively I don't see much of a problem and offensively as long as Drew isn't coaching his 1 dimensional ISO offense, I'd be easily optimistic for them to co-exist.

I think both, by a wide margin, will have most of their offensive success in a one dimensional ISO system. Things could change but we've already seen Knight showcased off the ball in Detroit, next to a very good point guard in Calderon, and he was extremely pedestrian. I just don't see him ever really succeeding in that role, unless you get a couple superstars and he buys into the Mario Chalmers mindset and sticks to 3+D. Smart I think could eventually be wrangled in somewhat, like Monta was in Dallas, but a lot has to work out for him to be the passer or scorer Monta is. Like even the "wrangled into the team concept" Dallas version Monta, I think he's going to struggle mightily at times with that "alpha" mindset in the back of his head telling him to zone out teammates and jack up a lot of shots. That's where I think you need that calming factor to handle the ball at times next to him, like Wolters, and not another chuck happy, tunnel visioned scorer like Knight.

Great post. Definitely can see all ur points clear. Only thing I could really say about it from my POV is that if the situation came to light and we ended up with Smart and Knight as the back court, I'd just hope that the right coach could sync the chemistry together quick and get everyone to buy into an unselfish system. U can't coach tunnel vision but u can hide it, u know what I'm saying?

[randy84]

Jabari willing to play in Milwaukee. Woelful is awesome!

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketba ... 963f4.html

[Zeezprah]

Jabari willing to play in Milwaukee. Woelful is awesome!

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketba ... 963f4.html

well that's kind of him, now i can sleep better

[theFireBlanket]

Jabari willing to play in Milwaukee. Woelful is awesome!

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketba ... 963f4.html

While the conclusion/headline should've been evident already based on Jabari's personality and hometown, I guess the story had to be written to flesh out the more specific details. Of course Gery's the guy to do it, since his agenda is that the Bucks must take Parker.

I won't be bothered if Parker is the pick because he's proven himself to the FO, owners, players, etc. being committed to taking his game further to be that all-around player that he admires. That the front office and owners view him as the BPA after working everyone out.

I really hope that at the end of everything they can all at least get in on some semblance of agreement on the pick, rather than being simply consulted in a lesser capacity.

[Wise1]

Yaaawn. Do we have Jabari yet? Can't wait til the draft.

[emunney]

I hope the mourners don't harsh my buzz when we draft Jabari. Really excited to get him. Even if he's my third choice, which he is.

[On_Wisconsin]

That's not my ideal starting 5 either but only an idea.

I'd look to deal Henson while he still has value as well. I'd do everything I can to flip Henson for Nurkic. While I think looking at both Asik and Dieng are good ideas in theory, I would only move Ersan for Dieng. I don't think Payne can play too much 5, but if he can I'd love to be wrong. And I think Smart can play PG too

Smart/Wolters
Middleton/Bogdanovic or Adams
Giannis/Defino
Parker/Ersan(?)
Nurkic/Zaza/Miroslav

*Assuming a Sanders/Knight trade for 7 and we take Parker and Smart and Henson is dealt for Nurkic

You don't like Asik, or maybe his situation being a vet and on a 1-year deal. I get that.

But I don't like Nurkic either. I think it would be a good strategy to try and flip Henson for him otherwise because he is a true center and is considered value around that spot. However, I just see a lot of Gadzuric and Biyombo there. He gets baited hard on an opponent's first move, offensively and defensively, and thus is heavily prone to fouls and fools. To wit I think his production overseas is probably fool's gold. He can't, legally, play much more than he does in a game. And the block plus steal rate he has when he is actually on the court, you have to balance with his ridiculously high foul and turnover rate, and the fact that so often he's probably not there to challenge an opposing player at the rim because he's gambling whereas a disciplined defender like Bogut was for example would just stay there and get the non-statistical but more effective alter. I also see some Araujo with Nurkic in that, to an extent, he has to be highly aggressive because he's not very long for a center. Otherwise it's a product of coming to the game late, and outside of anomalies like I think Embiid is, most guys with that background don't figure it out.

I'd much prefer Payne because he does have the instincts for the most part of a player who has been around the game for a while, as well as an extra-ordinary skill-set for a long-armed guy. Most guys who have around a 7'4" wingspan, are 6'10"+, and 240, can't shoot, handle, and have the first step to blow by people off the dribble. But Payne does. His game reminds me of older KG with the Celts, or Cliff Robinson's. That 7'4" wingspan gives him a lot of center potential on the defensive end at least. He's got the same wingspan basically as Vonleh, with 1 more inch of height and standing reach, and many are saying Vonleh is a pf/c. So it should be easily a viable plan for Payne.

Going back to Asik as a more true center option, and someone who'd project to help out more in the interim, I like him enough for 2 reasons: 1. he's the type of defensive and rebounding center the Bucks could need with Parker at pf, and 2. we need to pay some players to make the minimum and he's someone the Bucks could extend for a few years and then have come off cap before we need to address the projected young core's monetary desires. I am inclined to think he would take an extension/re-sign because of what he experienced in Houston being blocked and he wouldn't have that problem here for a while most likely. I would prefer Dieng too because we wouldn't have to worry about extending him and he has some upside still, but maybe that's why the T-Wolves wouldn't deal him that easily by the same token. It helps to have multiple options, and to keep them open.

All that said, looking at your revised lineup projection, we aren't far off anyway. Just a lone, glaring mistake from my POV, but seldom do you get everything you want.

I'm really ok with Asik, I jus twould want some assurance that we can keep him for more than 1 year (at a decent price). I don't want to have his incredible defense vault us into the playoffs, only to see him leave as a FA. That would leave us with no 5 and a middling pick. I'd rather gamble on the upside of Nurkic (or Tavares even) and would be thrilled if we could pry Dieng away from Minnesota.

Payne would be really intriguing in a situation like OKC where they have a shotblocker at the 4. I haven't seen the shotblocking/interior defense that I would want to see next to Jabari.

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[Badgerlander]

I hope the mourners don't harsh my buzz when we draft Jabari. Really excited to get him. Even if he's my third choice, which he is.

Agreed. Pretty excited for the future of the team no matter who we take.


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[paulpressey25]

I hope the mourners don't harsh my buzz when we draft Jabari. Really excited to get him. Even if he's my third choice, which he is.

It may be the casual fans and Woelfel's of the world rioting if Cleveland takes Wiggins and we draft Embiid number two.

[emunney]

I hope the mourners don't harsh my buzz when we draft Jabari. Really excited to get him. Even if he's my third choice, which he is.

It may be the casual fans and Woelfel's of the world rioting if Cleveland takes Wiggins and we draft Embiid number two.

That would only add to it.

[Matches Malone]

I think I'm locked in at Wiggins for our pick. Won't be disappointed with Embiid or Parker but I think Wiggins would make me the most happiest.

[machu46]

My order remains: Embiid, Wiggins, Exum, Jabari. But honestly, as long as we're smart enough to draft one of the four, I will be extremely happy and excited as a Bucks fan.

[SupremeHustle]

Big Dog III

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Gle ... Video-4590

[Wise1]

I think all should start thinking along the lines of "who do I think the Bucks will take". I think that's a more interesting debate at this point. Our personal favorites are on record (unless your changing them). Still a few long weeks to go. My two cents.

[Max Green]

I hope the mourners don't harsh my buzz when we draft Jabari. Really excited to get him. Even if he's my third choice, which he is.

I'm all in on him with the #2 pick, and would be excited as hell if we do pick him. It would be rather unfortunate if the mourners do try ruining the night with their bitching.

[Mink Coat Mason]

I still am convinced that the Bucks will take Embiid or Wiggins. As stated prior to the Jabari tidbits leaking out, they are both high-upside athletic prospects that fit the Hammond bill. I think the workouts will/have cemented that. Plus, Hammond was a mainstay and KU games this season. Surely, he saw what we all did since he was there in the flesh. Sure, the owners will have their say. But they also keep stressing that they are fans and will listen to the "professionals."

I'll come to terms with it if we take Parker. I think his face up game could be one of the best in the league with his strength, surprising quickness and handle. But, if it is Embiid, I'm ready to have plenty of the casual fans rain on our parade. Especially some of the guys over at WSSP. The station has its flaws but I listen often because I need something on at work.

I've heard Bill Michaels, Sparky and Chuck and Wickett not only say they don't want the Bucks to snag Embiid (although I think Sparky understands it a little more than the others) but say they'll be very upset if the Bucks do so. We all know Chuck and Wickett and Michaels are all about football/baseball but it will be annoying if the local media craps on a guy that has a chance to be a mega star before he even steps on the court.

[Baddy Chuck]

I think all should start thinking along the lines of "who do I think the Bucks will take". I think that's a more interesting debate at this point.

Really isn't because we'll just get into the same arguments.

"Owners talk about championships, not rookie of the years. Therefore I think we take the guys with the most potential to do so in Embiid or Wiggins."
"Yeah, well Jabari gives you the best shot at both."
"I disagree."
"You're wrong, I talked to guys who played college basketball."
"No, you're wrong."

And so on.

[Down To Buck]

"I disagree."
"You're wrong."
"No, you're wrong."

- Every internet argument ever

If we disallowed that kind of stuff this forum would be just posts agreeing that the Hammond Phone image is funny.

[Bucksfan28]

I think all should start thinking along the lines of "who do I think the Bucks will take". I think that's a more interesting debate at this point.

Really isn't because we'll just get into the same arguments.

"Owners talk about championships, not rookie of the years. Therefore I think we take the guys with the most potential to do so in Embiid or Wiggins."
"Yeah, well Jabari gives you the best shot at both."
"I disagree."
"You're wrong, I talked to guys who played college basketball."
"No, you're wrong."

And so on.

I also think Wise is following that train of thought because his guy is rumored to be the favorite right now.