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Post#1321 » by LuessiT » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:19 pm

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What pick, a 2039 7th?


No we would get some future 2nd.


We'd have to give up the pick, because of his salary. If he was a minimum guy, then plenty teams would want to take a look, because he can defend.

Still think we make a move with him. Moving him and a 2nd opens 2 more salary slots, or we take back a minimum guy but now have room for a 15th guy.

Wilson and a 2nd for Justin James. Sign Alex Len.


Can someone show me a source that lists our cap and says we don't have space for a minimum contract? I really don't see it. I've tripple checked my math and I don't have us facing the hardcap.
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Post#1322 » by slos » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:21 pm

I guess Forbes signed with the rest of the MLE - there's no other way to make it a 2y deal - and have this as our current roster.

1. Middleton.....$33,051,724
2. Giannis........$27,528,088
3. Holiday........$26,231,111
4. Brook..........$12,697,675
5. Augustin.......$6,700,000 (MLE)
6. Pat.............$5,300,000 (apx)
7. Wilson.........$4,548,280
8. Portis..........$3,623,000 (BAE)
9. DDV.............$3,044,160
10. Forbes........$2,558,000 (MLE)
11. Thanasis......$1,701,593
12. Craig..........$1,620,564 (min)
13. Vet............$1,620,564 (min)
14. Merrill........$898,310
15. Nwora........$898,310
- Leuer............$3,169,348
- Sanders.........$1,865,546
- total............$136,786,273

Augustin and Forbes combined can't cost more than MLE money (9,258,000mil) and we know Portis took the full BAE and Craig signed a vet contract. When can definitely sign one more player and stay under the 138,928,000 mil apron.
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Post#1323 » by LuessiT » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:28 pm

slos wrote:I guess Forbes signed with the rest of the MLE - there's no other way to make it a 2y deal - and have this as our current roster.

1. Middleton.....$33,051,724
2. Giannis........$27,528,088
3. Holiday........$26,231,111
4. Brook..........$12,697,675
5. Augustin.......$6,700,000 (MLE)
6. Pat.............$5,300,000 (apx)
7. Wilson.........$4,548,280
8. Portis..........$3,623,000 (BAE)
9. DDV.............$3,044,160
10. Forbes........$2,558,000 (MLE)
11. Thanasis......$1,701,593
12. Craig..........$1,620,564 (min)
13. Vet............$1,620,564 (min)
14. Merrill........$898,310
15. Nwora........$898,310
- Leuer............$3,169,348
- Sanders.........$1,865,546
- total............$136,786,273

Augustin and Forbes combined can't cost more than MLE money (9,258,000mil) and we know Portis took the full BAE and Craig signed a vet contract. When can definitely sign one more player and stay under the 138,928,000 mil apron.


Min deal? Why wouldn't that work.
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Post#1324 » by SupremeHustle » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:29 pm

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Donte was pretty comfortably better than Huerter this year. Y’all are getting way too caught up in his bubble play.


I've liked Huerter from day 1 over DDV, though. I think he'll have a better career.


I went to look at Huerter's numbers and I would like to drop my case, your honor.
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Post#1325 » by Prez » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:33 pm

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Prez wrote:Donte was pretty comfortably better than Huerter this year. Y’all are getting way too caught up in his bubble play.


I've liked Huerter from day 1 over DDV, though. I think he'll have a better career.


I went to look at Huerter's numbers and I would like to drop my case, your honor.

Haha. Huerter was my guy that draft and tbh I actually didn't like Donte very much at all. I just think now that we've seen them both in the NBA, Donte has defensive talent & feel that Huerter will simply never touch, while there's a decent chance Donte becomes a 15 ppg on 37% 3PT kinda guy offensively. Just think as a two-way guy there's a more realistic path to Donte contributing more for a title team than Huerter.
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Post#1326 » by yannisk » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:38 pm

slos wrote:- Leuer............$3,169,348
- Sanders.........$1,865,546


Who is this Leuer guy?

I vaguely remember Sanders, albanian fighter, skateboarder, painter, rapper.

Why do we still pay for these people wouldn't be better to have finished with their contract when we were not contenders and now have 5 millions to spend?
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Post#1327 » by ibanezjp » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:38 pm

I would feel even better about this roster if we knew Bud would play Giannis, Kris, Jrue, DJ, and Brook all 38-40mpg in the playoffs.
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Post#1328 » by Chad34 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:40 pm

when is giannis announcing his supermax
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Post#1329 » by yannisk » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:40 pm

So we are stuck with Wilson? can't we trade him to somebody?
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Post#1330 » by Bucksfan28 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:47 pm

Hey at least the roster is younger :dontknow:
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Post#1331 » by slos » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:48 pm

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slos wrote:I guess Forbes signed with the rest of the MLE - there's no other way to make it a 2y deal - and have this as our current roster.

1. Middleton.....$33,051,724
2. Giannis........$27,528,088
3. Holiday........$26,231,111
4. Brook..........$12,697,675
5. Augustin.......$6,700,000 (MLE)
6. Pat.............$5,300,000 (apx)
7. Wilson.........$4,548,280
8. Portis..........$3,623,000 (BAE)
9. DDV.............$3,044,160
10. Forbes........$2,558,000 (MLE)
11. Thanasis......$1,701,593
12. Craig..........$1,620,564 (min)
13. Vet............$1,620,564 (min)
14. Merrill........$898,310
15. Nwora........$898,310
- Leuer............$3,169,348
- Sanders.........$1,865,546
- total............$136,786,273

Augustin and Forbes combined can't cost more than MLE money (9,258,000mil) and we know Portis took the full BAE and Craig signed a vet contract. When can definitely sign one more player and stay under the 138,928,000 mil apron.


Min deal? Why wouldn't that work.


I think you can't add a second year without using an exception. Either way the argument that we can't sign a 15th player can't be right.

Also as I see it now, I actually like Pat's contract. It would be that or some other minimum deal that would allow Bucks avoid the tax too. At least now the owners are committed in paying the tax and Pat's salary will help facilitate another trade moving forward. I mean Pat + Wilson can bring back a 10 mil contract in the deadline from a lottery team.
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Post#1332 » by drone3 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:50 pm

Unpopular opinion, DJ Wilson is really important for our bench, he is the backup for Gianiss. Nwora could outplay Wilson but even then it's possible that DJ may have to back up Brook if Portis can't figure it out.

DJ doesn't play with the fire we need but he is multi skilled and versatile.
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Post#1333 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:51 pm

i wish we would have a specific thread for all our 2 way guys. like to see everybodys thoughts consolidated. i dont have a damn clue about any of them
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Post#1334 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:51 pm

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I've liked Huerter from day 1 over DDV, though. I think he'll have a better career.


I went to look at Huerter's numbers and I would like to drop my case, your honor.

Haha. Huerter was my guy that draft and tbh I actually didn't like Donte very much at all. I just think now that we've seen them both in the NBA, Donte has defensive talent & feel that Huerter will simply never touch, while there's a decent chance Donte becomes a 15 ppg on 37% 3PT kinda guy offensively. Just think as a two-way guy there's a more realistic path to Donte contributing more for a title team than Huerter.


I do think Heurter will improve, but until then he's Tony Snell.
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Post#1335 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:52 pm

drone3 wrote:Unpopular opinion, DJ Wilson is really important for our bench, he is the backup for Gianiss. Nwora could outplay Wilson but even then it's possible that DJ may have to back up Brook if Portis can't figure it out.

DJ doesn't play with the fire we need but he is multi skilled and versatile.


hes an alternative to portis if we want to actually contain blake griffin instead of fight him
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Post#1336 » by emunney » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:54 pm

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Still not Larry Harris. You guys will do anything to bash this team :lol:


Who cares if he's Larry Harris? Who said he was Larry Harris?

Is the roster hugely improved?


Depends on your definition of “hugely”. Is upgrading Bledsoe and Wes to Holiday and DDV? I’m pretty confident saying yes. Is DJ Augustine the perfect replacement for George Hill? I’m pretty confident saying yes. I won’t call him an upgrade but it’s a fair wash. Is replacing Korver Ersan Marvin Wes with Portis Craig Forbes an upgrade to the bench? I’m pretty confident saying yes.

The only 2 real question marks I have now is DDV as a starter and Pat getting a bigger role. 1 definitely has the chance to make us better and the other Id have to reserve judgement based on whether or not Pats bigger role carries into the playoffs.

I’ve seen a lot of outcry over lack of defensive pieces, are we better with Bogdanovich in the starting lineup and DDV in Sacramento? A leap from DDV would likely be a bigger needle mover than Bogdanovich being a 4th option scorer and alternative playmaker in the starting lineup.


Shaky accounting here as you've got Wes being replaced twice, once by a guy who was already on the roster.

All and all I’d say say short answer to your question is yes. This off-season is a tentative A, when Giannis resigns it’s an A+++.

Holiday/DDV/Khris/Giannis/Brook
Forbes/Augustin/Craig/Portis

That 9 man rotation is winning right around 60 games, fighting for #1 overall seed and will be expected in the championship.

It’s 100% hypocritical to suggest you were all in last year for a title and there’s nothing but skepticism now. The 9 we have now is just flat out simply a better constructed roster than any previous season in Giannis’ career. Probably the best since 2001, period. ****, probably better than 2001...


You must be talking about somebody else here, because if you're talking about me, it's based on a very bad reading. We absolutely should be competitive for a title, likely better than last year due to top end talent (Giannis is also going to be better, and the impact of that shouldn't be understated). But that's status quo. And we've been better than 2001 for 2 years already.
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Post#1337 » by mke_design » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:57 pm

drone3 wrote:Unpopular opinion, DJ Wilson is really important for our bench, he is the backup for Gianiss. Nwora could outplay Wilson but even then it's possible that DJ may have to back up Brook if Portis can't figure it out.

DJ doesn't play with the fire we need but he is multi skilled and versatile.


I feel like Portis is the backup 4? And I highly doubt DJ will out play Nwora...
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Post#1338 » by SupremeHustle » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:58 pm

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slos wrote:- Leuer............$3,169,348
- Sanders.........$1,865,546


Who is this Leuer guy?

I vaguely remember Sanders, albanian fighter, skateboarder, painter, rapper.

Why do we still pay for these people wouldn't be better to have finished with their contract when we were not contenders and now have 5 millions to spend?


I tweeted about Leuer today, actually:

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Post#1339 » by Big Dog Yank » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:03 pm

drone3 wrote:Unpopular opinion, DJ Wilson is really important for our bench, he is the backup for Gianiss. Nwora could outplay Wilson but even then it's possible that DJ may have to back up Brook if Portis can't figure it out.

DJ doesn't play with the fire we need but he is multi skilled and versatile.


I agree 100%-this is an unpopular opinion.
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Post#1340 » by RubberSoul » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:07 pm

Can I freak out yet about the supermax not being signed yet? Because I am.


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