Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Nwora in protocols

[Bucksmaniac]

to all the guys suggesting were gonna move ddv....

whose more valuable moving forward... ddv or patc?

if one must go we should remember that next year the money could be the same for either on the open market.

PC without question...in a vacuum. Given our PG options though, if DDV comes back in similar form to last year it’s a tough call or possibly leaning Donte.

[GoldenAntlers]

to all the guys suggesting were gonna move ddv....

whose more valuable moving forward... ddv or patc?

if one must go we should remember that next year the money could be the same for either on the open market.

PC without question...in a vacuum. Given our PG options though, if DDV comes back in similar form to last year it’s a tough call or possibly leaning Donte.

I feel like it's gotta be Donte given health concerns alone. Not confident in his feet, but hey, people said that about Steph early in his career too. Are we going to be in a Steph vs Have It All situation?

[raferfenix]

A couple months before the trade deadline. This gives Donte a chance to reestablish value.

A starting caliber 3/4 role player is still the biggest hole on the roster. Outside of pulling off a steal, dangling Donte was the only way acquiring one. And it's probably worth it less for us than most other teams to extend him.

I definitely could see the Bucks dealing Donte, however, idk if a starting caliber 3/4 role player is necessarily more valuable than Divicenzo as a starting caliber 1/2 role player.

One variable is whether the Bucks prefer to have Pat be a 3/4 like last year vs if they'd rather not use him in small ball lineups so much and want him to be more of a 2/3.

That and how confidant we are in Hill maintaining this level of minutes. He's been great but I've been assuming we would give him a lengthy stretch to load manage at some point before the playoffs, which would be much harder without Donte.

[paulpressey25]

PP gotta eat some crow on that one.

PP is a reactionary pot stirrer. He is a good mod but people need to ignore his prognostications.

Not necessarily going to have the crow stew, but will gladly in the coming months if his health holds after game action.

My comment the other day on the Wes signing had a modifier of either he’s not coming back anytime soon, or they are concerned about how that ankle holds up once he starts playing. I’m still of a belief that Donte is like Clay Matthews. Tight everything and prone to strains and tears. Here’s to his comeback however.

[raferfenix]

Just watched the Lowe clip discussing Lopez.

It sounds like he basically got a press release from the team.

Maybe the optimism about Brook's health is propaganda, but if that was the intention, Lowe took it a different direction by emphasizing how damaging it would be if that is not the case.

There is optimism around the situation that Brook Lopez will be able to return in the regular season before the playoffs. Obviously you never know with back injuries, we have seen Serge Ibaka’s back injury linger for a long time, but right now there is optimism around the situation that Lopez can come back before the playoffs.

And that’s big cause I agree with Perk and Chiney, right now they are the favorites to come out of the East depending on what happens with Kyrie. I might even argue they are the favorites to win the championship period given that Golden State and Phoenix are going to have to face each other if they get to each other in the western conference. But to do that, and Perk knows this, to win 4 playoff series you need every ingredient on your team. Sure there will be series where maybe Brook Lopez isn’t an ideal matchup for the other team, but there will be series where he is perfect. They need his rim protection and his size, you need everyone to win the whole thing.

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[Bucksmaniac]

to all the guys suggesting were gonna move ddv....

whose more valuable moving forward... ddv or patc?

if one must go we should remember that next year the money could be the same for either on the open market.

PC without question...in a vacuum. Given our PG options though, if DDV comes back in similar form to last year it’s a tough call or possibly leaning Donte.

I feel like it's gotta be Donte given health concerns alone. Not confident in his feet, but hey, people said that about Steph early in his career too. Are we going to be in a Steph vs Have It All situation?

I meant to say PC to prioritize, misread the question.

[M-C-G]

Was just looking at 3 man line ups top net rating for the Bucks.

Spoiler:

George Hill

is in the top 7 line ups greater than 30 minutes played. Didn't expect that.

[Bernman]

I definitely could see the Bucks dealing Donte, however, idk if a starting caliber 3/4 role player is necessarily more valuable than Divicenzo as a starting caliber 1/2 role player.

One variable is whether the Bucks prefer to have Pat be a 3/4 like last year vs if they'd rather not use him in small ball lineups so much and want him to be more of a 2/3.

That and how confidant we are in Hill maintaining this level of minutes. He's been great but I've been assuming we would give him a lengthy stretch to load manage at some point before the playoffs, which would be much harder without Donte.

We need the 3/4 to start, not the 1-2. Already have likes of Jrue & K-Mid for that, like last yr. If we lose 1 for a lengthy period, it's going to be a long shot to win it all anyway. Another 1 option could help hold down the fort for a few games until their return (if Hill somehow could not), like we did against the Hawks after losing Giannis. But it doesn't have utility beyond that.

And I loathe having to use the likes of Middleton or Connaughton as a small ball 4. It's so tough to rebound and match up with a combo 3-4 of the opponent's then. Look at our combo 3-4 types on the roster - Thanasis, Nwora, Semi. These have been among our worst players. It needs an upgrade.

A 3/4 defender who can rebound & shoot decently is the caulk that could hold this team together, like Tucker was last year, even if individually I think he was a barely playable rotation player. That's how important that role was to us. And we lacked it the previous years when we didn't get over the hump. Now we put ourselves back in that place by not spending the $ on Gay, Tucker, or whoever.

That means this always had to be addressed at the deadline. Trading DiVo is the means to the end. I wish we could keep everybody, and I like DiVo more than the vast majority, but you seldom don't have to give up something to get it.

[Milbucks96]

Was just looking at 3 man line ups top net rating for the Bucks.

Spoiler:

George Hill

is in the top 7 line ups greater than 30 minutes played. Didn't expect that.

Hill has been a monster impact wise, even during the stretch where the bucks were losing he was a huge positive playing 30 minutes a game. After looking kinda rough during the preseason, he’s been really good since the beginning of the season.

He still looks rough when trying to attack some mismatches and can’t really create his own offense like he could before, but he hits half of his corner threes last I checked, still is a switchy, smart defender with some athleticism left and is really good scoring at the rim especially out of the dunker spot.

Anything can happen with his age and injury history but he’s been an absolute steal so far.

[Bucksmaniac]

Was just looking at 3 man line ups top net rating for the Bucks.

Spoiler:

George Hill

is in the top 7 line ups greater than 30 minutes played. Didn't expect that.

Has something to do with who was replacing him as 2nd string PG when Jrue was injured, the drop off from him to Robinson when he was being used was massive at times.

[M-C-G]

I wouldn't be so quick to trade Donte, he is still probably the only guy other than Jrue that can reasonably lock up smaller quick point guards.

I'd want something fairly decent in exchange for him, but not a lot coming to mind that logistically works. And then I'd hope a Brogdon situation arises in the offseason if we can't sign him to what Grayson got.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If Donte is just starting to ramp up practice reps, I'd assume he's still at least two or three weeks away from a return.

Even if that somewhat pessimistic outlook is true, it would be good enough.

I don't think it's particularly pessimistic. He tore a ligament in his foot and we haven't had any real reports of him even practicing with the team. They've either kept it super super buttoned up, or we're starting the ramp up now. Two to three weeks may even be optimistic. But who knows.

On another note, I DO think it's humorous many here have taken the, "JESUS STFU AND STOP THE LEAKS" during draft and trades, and at the same time are like, "GIVE ME A TIMETABLE IMMEDIATELY" when it comes to these injuries.

personally i must admit im a big fan of leaks all the time on everything. as a fan i prefer my team to be very very leaky pretty much all the time. leaky teams are way more fun to follow and i miss even having gerys silly made up inside stuff so ideally i wouldnt even mind if the leaks were mostly false just sos theres leaks

[WRau1]

I think I'd hold onto DDV and if he gets an offer we can't match, so be it. He's likely to be far more useful to us in the playoffs than what his value will return at the deadline.

[ShootingtheJ]

I think I'd hold onto DDV and if he gets an offer we can't match, so be it. He's likely to be far more useful to use in the playoffs than what his value will return at the deadline.

I agree with this. No deals until the offseason. Then, the guy to deal will actually be Grayson Allen. Someone will pay for his 3 point shooting.

[ShootingtheJ]

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I'm confused. They had DDV and Nwora drive to Osh Kosh to practice a few hours? Or is this some kind of loop hole to allow them to practice in Milwaukee without having an official team practice?

I'm guessing the Herd came to Milwaukee to practice.

[Milbucks96]

Was just looking at 3 man line ups top net rating for the Bucks.

Spoiler:

George Hill

is in the top 7 line ups greater than 30 minutes played. Didn't expect that.

Has something to do with who was replacing him as 2nd string PG when Jrue was injured, the drop off from him to Robinson when he was being used was massive at times.

I could be wrong but net rating is basically how much your team out scores the other team per 100 poss when you’re on the court, therefore whatever happens when you’re not on it doesn’t affect the number like a basic +\- would be affected in that situation.

I could be very wrong so take that with a grain of salt , I still think hill has been very impactful no matter the situation.

[StickeeFingaz]

PP gotta eat some crow on that one.

PP is a reactionary pot stirrer. He is a good mod but people need to ignore his prognostications.

Not necessarily going to have the crow stew, but will gladly in the coming months if his health holds after game action.

My comment the other day on the Wes signing had a modifier of either he’s not coming back anytime soon, or they are concerned about how that ankle holds up once he starts playing. I’m still of a belief that Donte is like Clay Matthews. Tight everything and prone to strains and tears. Here’s to his comeback however.

I’m just giving ya a hard time, there was some “Bucks aren’t being forward because it could be an achilles” talk.

Bucks said it was a ligament in his ankle and that’s what it seems to be. New Year comeback always sounded about right.

[Bernman]

I guess the lesson wasn't learned from many fans the last few seasons. Well, hopefully the organization bucks that trend.

[AussieBuck]

I think I'd hold onto DDV and if he gets an offer we can't match, so be it. He's likely to be far more useful to use in the playoffs than what his value will return at the deadline.

This. But also, unless we trade him with Pat and or Hill, we aren't going to be paying whoever the guy is going forward. I guess you could trade him for an expiring and a pick. I'd play it out. Gives us all the options with the small ball teams and lets us play Jrue on anyone we want.

[craig]

Wow, great news. Both that Donte is ready to start practicing, and the Lowe rumor that the Bucks org assumed Brook will come back before the playoffs.