Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Moose Returns

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I still see angst about Boogie. In Denver:

1st 10 day contact:
1-7
1-5
4-10 Ejected
1-7

Second 10 day contact:
Injured
Injured
Injured
Available - DNP

But what did he do with this Bucks team?

Ok so he had an above average 17 game stretch. He also looked bad defensively. I'm ok trusting the bucks on what they saw in the locker room and on film + his last two years in the league over some games in December and January. I'm not losing sleep on losing Cousins and if he is the reason we lose a series in May we have bigger issues.

My biggest problem was not having another body and now we have that.

[randy84]

Can't see having both Hill and Schroder to backup Jrue. It has to be Hill coming out and I would love to see that. No disrespect but I would prefer a motivated 28 y/o Schroder over 35 y/o Hill on his last legs. I was rooting for Schroder with the tax-MLE in summer and wouldn't miss the opportunity to fix it now.

Hill + Semi for Schroder + Kanter (TPE) works. It also gives Bucks a C that can soak RS minutes. If it's not enough for Boston to duck the tax feel free to add Hood for Dozier or Bol Bol.

Kanter and Giannis hate each other.

[randy84]

I still see angst about Boogie. In Denver:

1st 10 day contact:
1-7
1-5
4-10 Ejected
1-7

Second 10 day contact:
Injured
Injured
Injured
Available - DNP

But what did he do with this Bucks team?

Ok so he had an above average 17 game stretch. He also looked bad defensively. I'm ok trusting the bucks on what they saw in the locker room and on film + his last two years in the league over some games in December and January. I'm not losing sleep on losing Cousins and if he is the reason we lose a series in May we have bigger issues.

My biggest problem was not having another body and now we have that.

I agree. The big issue is having a big body. They could have just kept Boogie and the problem was solved. If you want "roster flexibility" get rid of Semi.

The mental gymnastics that the Boogie detractors go through to justify his release is what is getting annoying. I could care less about a watch, why he wasn't offered a invite, how long it took someone to sign him, how Luke Kornet is a much better player, or any other absurd reasons that he was let go. The Bucks obviously didn't have a problem with his attitude until it was time to guarantee his contract. Some times the simple answer is the right one.

[PG Graveyard]

If denis and Bud are cool I like the idea. We need another ball handler

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

But what did he do with this Bucks team?

Ok so he had an above average 17 game stretch. He also looked bad defensively. I'm ok trusting the bucks on what they saw in the locker room and on film + his last two years in the league over some games in December and January. I'm not losing sleep on losing Cousins and if he is the reason we lose a series in May we have bigger issues.

My biggest problem was not having another body and now we have that.

I agree. The big issue is having a big body. They could have just kept Boogie and the problem was solved. If you want "roster flexibility" get rid of Semi.

The mental gymnastics that the Boogie detractors go through to justify his release is what is getting annoying. I could care less about a watch, why he wasn't offered a invite, how long it took someone to sign him, how Luke Kornet is a much better player, or any other absurd reasons that he was let go. The Bucks obviously didn't have a problem with his attitude until it was time to guarantee his contract. Some times the simple answer is the right one.

What is the dollar ramifications? Maybe a cap expert can explain but if our scenario I was to guaranteed boogie and then cut him in 8 weeks, would it have cost $4m? In a perfect world you do that but I just don't think cousins is worth lighting $4m on fire if our long-term playoff plan is to get someone better: Robin, mo, etc

Eta: it is extremely different to have cousins on a non guaranteed tryout vs a million dollar guaranteed contract. And I think that is partially why they didn't guarantee it since after he is signed you have less leverage to get him to play hard.

[WRau1]

Cousins was terrible defensively and an issue in the lockerroom. STFU about a 10 day player. He isn't making a difference anywhere anymore.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I understand Milwaukee's interest in Schroder but I'm having trouble seeing a salary framework.. I've also heard inconsistent reports on exactly how far above the tax line Boston is right now.. one estimate is 800k, the other is several million.

[raferfenix]

How do we think RoLo rates these days vs Monroe?

Marc Stein: I have heard that some teams have been inquiring about Robin Lopez in Orlando. I do not know if the Bucks are one of them. I just know that there is interest in Robin Lopez.

[Shaffty]

I understand Milwaukee's interest in Schroder but I'm having trouble seeing a salary framework.. I've also heard inconsistent reports on exactly how far above the tax line Boston is right now.. one estimate is 800k, the other is several million.

Its dependent on tatum/browns all star appearence bonus i believe

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[Andrew McCeltic]

I understand Milwaukee's interest in Schroder but I'm having trouble seeing a salary framework.. I've also heard inconsistent reports on exactly how far above the tax line Boston is right now.. one estimate is 800k, the other is several million.

Its dependent on tatum/browns all star appearence bonus i believe

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Yeah, if Brown isn't named as an injury replacement (he probably won't be) then it lowers his salary, but I don't know how much.

[ShootingtheJ]

How do we think RoLo rates these days vs Monroe?

Marc Stein: I have heard that some teams have been inquiring about Robin Lopez in Orlando. I do not know if the Bucks are one of them. I just know that there is interest in Robin Lopez.

RoLo doesn't defend anyone anymore, and is a 1 trick pony on offense. He's simply a bad player. Jury is still out on Monroe.

[Pachinko_]

I mean we wanted a massive defender and shot blocker who can shoot 3s and switch a little, and we got Moose who can't do any of the above. There's some entertainment value is watching him get swatted 3 times by guys like Winslow, I'll give you that. Or just watching him try to run.

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[Rstuedes24]

Wouldn’t mind getting Schroder at the cost of any of Hill/Nwora/Semi/Hood. That would allow us to send Donte out in a separate trade if desired and could open up another roster spot for buyout time.

[Baddy Chuck]

I mean we wanted a massive defender and shot blocker who can shoot 3s and switch a little, and we got Moose who can't do any of the above. There's some entertainment value is watching him get swatted 3 times by guys like Winslow, I'll give you that. Or just watching him try to run.

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It's easier to look past a guy being nothing in a player you wanted or think the team needed a week ago when it was so out of the realm of possibility that you didn't have time/forethought to complain about the player beforehand.

[Pachinko_]

I mean we wanted a massive defender and shot blocker who can shoot 3s and switch a little, and we got Moose who can't do any of the above. There's some entertainment value is watching him get swatted 3 times by guys like Winslow, I'll give you that. Or just watching him try to run.

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It's easier to look past a guy being nothing in a player you wanted or think the team needed a week ago when it was so out of the realm of possibility that you didn't have time/forethought to complain about the player beforehand.

I think the team simply didn't want the type of player I thought they did

[emunney]

Anti-Boogie crowd getting aggressive.

He helped us and cutting him contributed to the worst month we've had in quite a while. And yes, of course it was the money, and of course they want to act like it wasn't.

Or maybe he became an untenable locker room problem in the 90 seconds between when the game he played 20 minutes in ended and they cut him on the day before his contract became guaranteed. Who's to say.

[Baddy Chuck]

Anti-Boogie crowd getting aggressive.

He helped us and cutting him contributed to the worst month we've had in quite a while. And yes, of course it was the money, and of course they want to act like it wasn't.

Or maybe he became an untenable locker room problem in the 90 seconds between when the game he played 20 minutes in ended and they cut him on the day before his contract became guaranteed. Who's to say.

The part where they convince themselves that Greg Monroe isn't Greg Monroe because there's no way the Bucks would sign a guy similar to Boogie is my favorite part of it all. Monroe coming in slimmer is different than when Boogie came in slimmer so the jury is still out on the 12 year NBA vet who wasn't on a roster to start the season and was playing in Russia last year.

[BroncoBuck]

But what did he do with this Bucks team?

Ok so he had an above average 17 game stretch. He also looked bad defensively. I'm ok trusting the bucks on what they saw in the locker room and on film + his last two years in the league over some games in December and January. I'm not losing sleep on losing Cousins and if he is the reason we lose a series in May we have bigger issues.

My biggest problem was not having another body and now we have that.

I agree. The big issue is having a big body. They could have just kept Boogie and the problem was solved. If you want "roster flexibility" get rid of Semi.

The mental gymnastics that the Boogie detractors go through to justify his release is what is getting annoying. I could care less about a watch, why he wasn't offered a invite, how long it took someone to sign him, how Luke Kornet is a much better player, or any other absurd reasons that he was let go. The Bucks obviously didn't have a problem with his attitude until it was time to guarantee his contract. Some times the simple answer is the right one.

Semi IS the roster flexibility. The Bucks need outgoing salaries (even minimum ones) in a trade, Cousins wouldn’t have been able to be traded based on his signing date.

Yes, the Bucks should’ve probably brought in more big men on 10 days after releasing Boogie, but this was also an opportunity to see how viable the Bobby-Giannis pairing was in extended minutes going forward. The Bucks learned last year that you need to experiment in the regular season, winning 60 games doing the same **** every night is great until you get to the playoffs.

I’m not worried about anything the Bucks can control, I’m more worried about what is out of there control (Brook’s health, a big Philly trade, the Nets all getting healthy and cleared to play)

I don’t think our title chances have anything to do with Boogie Cousins.

[MKE_Beers]

If the Celtics are prioritizing getting under the luxury tax, this kind of deal would help them do that.

Trade NBA says the deal would still work contractually with Hood swapped in for Nwora

Bucks or Thunder could send Boston a 2nd too.

Why do we need to add Donte and Nwora just to get Muscala?

Yeah, I think I'd like this better cutting out Donte and Muscala. What about something like this, with Milwaukee and Boston both sending OKC a second or something for helping out?

Milwaukee: Schroder
Boston: Nwora
OKC: Ojeleye, Hood, 2nd(s)

Edit: Then use Donte in a separate trade for a wing/big, if desired.

Give me Kenny hustle instead of Muscala and we have an easy yes to that deal. We'd still need to hope either Moose works out, Brook comes back for the playoffs, or we can get a buyout big that's serviceable, but I think that's a trade that makes sense if we are out on paying Donte.

[paulpressey25]

Anti-Boogie crowd getting aggressive.

He helped us and cutting him contributed to the worst month we've had in quite a while. And yes, of course it was the money, and of course they want to act like it wasn't.

Or maybe he became an untenable locker room problem in the 90 seconds between when the game he played 20 minutes in ended and they cut him on the day before his contract became guaranteed. Who's to say.

Not inconsistent with the fact he perhaps presented problems. He was helping on the court. And they probably waited until the very end before finally pulling the trigger. Or it could have been like Kidd, where some incident happened that put it over the top that day or game and the brain trust said we’re done.